Friday, May 3rd 2024
Intel's Panther Lake CPU Generation on Track for Mid-2025 Release, AI Capabilities to See Significant Boost
Intel's CEO, Pat Gelsinger, has confirmed that the upcoming 18A process of the Panther Lake CPU generation is on schedule for a mid-2025 release, which aligns with the initial projection. This development marks a significant milestone in the company's ongoing efforts to integrate AI capabilities into its processors. The mid-2025 release date is expected to follow the debut of Intel's Arrow Lake process in late 2024 or early 2025, a release that holds the promise of significant advancements in AI computing. During Intel's Q1 2024 Quarterly Results, Gelsinger expressed confidence in the company's AI capabilities, stating that the Core Ultra platform currently delivers leadership AI performance and that the next-generation platforms, Lunar Lake and Arrow Lake, will launch later this year, tripling AI performance. He also mentioned that the Panther Lake generation, set to release in 2025, will grow AI performance up to an additional 2x.
The Panther Lake generation represents the culmination of three generations of work in a short time and is expected to continue Intel's iterative approach. This transition is marked by a shift from a hybrid architecture, a combination of different types of processors, to a disaggregated die, where different components of the processor are separated, as AI computing becomes increasingly prominent. This strategic move is aimed at optimizing AI performance and flexibility. This marks the third generation of the Intel Core Ultra series, following Ultra 100 (Meteor Lake), Ultra 200 (Arrow Lake), and Lunar Lake (200V). Intel's release strategy mirrors the pattern set by the Hybrid Architecture, with Alder Lake debuting in 2021, followed by Raptor Lake in 2022, and a refreshed Raptor Lake released last year to bridge the gap until LGA 1851 was ready. However, Intel's roadmap has seen adjustments in the past, such as the initial promise of an Arrow Lake release before the end of 2024, which was later retracted. The mid-2025 release of Panther Lake aligns with rumors of Arrow Lake's late 2024 or early 2025 debut, suggesting that the 18A process CPU generation could debut several months after Arrow Lake.
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TechRadar
The Panther Lake generation represents the culmination of three generations of work in a short time and is expected to continue Intel's iterative approach. This transition is marked by a shift from a hybrid architecture, a combination of different types of processors, to a disaggregated die, where different components of the processor are separated, as AI computing becomes increasingly prominent. This strategic move is aimed at optimizing AI performance and flexibility. This marks the third generation of the Intel Core Ultra series, following Ultra 100 (Meteor Lake), Ultra 200 (Arrow Lake), and Lunar Lake (200V). Intel's release strategy mirrors the pattern set by the Hybrid Architecture, with Alder Lake debuting in 2021, followed by Raptor Lake in 2022, and a refreshed Raptor Lake released last year to bridge the gap until LGA 1851 was ready. However, Intel's roadmap has seen adjustments in the past, such as the initial promise of an Arrow Lake release before the end of 2024, which was later retracted. The mid-2025 release of Panther Lake aligns with rumors of Arrow Lake's late 2024 or early 2025 debut, suggesting that the 18A process CPU generation could debut several months after Arrow Lake.
66 Comments on Intel's Panther Lake CPU Generation on Track for Mid-2025 Release, AI Capabilities to See Significant Boost
These rumors are such a joke I would block them all if I could until they *actually* release new HEDT CPUs.
The GPUs that get paired with the CPUs you're talking about pull the vast majority of system power while gaming. Especially if the system is GPU bound like they should be instead of CPU bound.You were talking about gaming efficiency by wattage. Its cool to see, yeah, but does the difference here REALLY matter that much to the average gamers wallet? Not really, unless you're gaming an unhealthy amount then you got bigger problems besides CPU efficiency.
- although savings are modest for an individual, if you have 5, 10 or 50 million such gamers, savings are substantial
- also, power savings are very much meaningful and desirable on a larger scale
- there are efficient and highly performant CPUs available; why would you ever buy one for gaming that is neither more efficient, nor faster?
- besides, each modest saving per year, let's say $40 per gamer, could be donated to a charity that treats childrens' illness or provide food programme
- each modest saving can help other people in many different ways
- just imagine, there is a wider society around you...
They'll be forced to modernize their grid and invest into generation quite heavily over the next few years, but this is not as much of a problem for China or the United States, or even Brazil which enjoys extensive use of relatively clean and inexpensive hydro power. Data centers can be installed in such countries where conditions are favorable.
The demand for energy is there and this AI hardware is a drop in the bucket long term as processing power tends to greatly outpace the energy demand over time.
Intel has currently not a single product that i am interested in and it seems like AMD will be the only relevant CPU manufacturer for the coming years as well.
www.amd.com/en/products/processors/consumer/ryzen-ai.html
If I had to say though Intel's processor takes a novel approach while AMD follows the classic recipe and builds upon it. Time will tell who does better.
If this is a sign of what's coming ahead they can kiss a good chunk of the datacenter market share goodbye. It's already happening every quarter for a few years, and will only accelerate.
I question some of their recent business decisions on an ethical front as well and hesitate to buy their CPU's but I suppose the timing is good as they are inferior for every single use case I have compared to AMD and from the looks of things, it'll only get worse from here. I have a feeling Zen 5 will smack them so hard on the performance front that they will push AI like there's no tomorrow and try to shift goalposts. If they do, it's utterly pathetic but won't be the first time they've done something like that.Other folks have chimed in and countered your points but i'll state one more. For custom loops with shared radiators for both the CPU and GPU, like one I made for a customer with 1x120 and 1x360 rad, a change from 14900K to 7950X3D (stemming from the current instability issues which he was facing, he didn't want to put band aids in place) resulted in the GPU being able to boost more simply because an additional 120W wasn't dumped in the loop by the CPU for no performance gain whatsoever. This is especially true if the GPU is overclocked
I don't see any connection between Panther Lake and Lunar Lake. Lunar Lake is a successor to Meteor Lake and like ML will feature both iGPU and GPU tiles. ML and LL processors are low and middle range CPUs that fit below the HX chips in Intel's mobile hardware stack. With LL the emphasis is mobile only tech such as the on-package RAM, and power efficiency rather than the performance focus of the HX.
- Panther Lake seems to be a successor of Meteor Lake for H and U SKUs
- Lunar Lake is a separate project, an entry APU with on-package memory. We have seen two engineering samples so far
- it's either a full architecture and builds on Arrow Lake design for 1851 socket and/or H/U socket
- or it's based on Lunar Lake, with on-package memory