MSI First with Motherboard BIOS that Supports Ryzen 9000 "Zen 5" Processors

[btarunr]

In yet another clear sign that we could see some action from AMD on the next-gen desktop processor front this Computex, motherboard maker MSI released its first beta UEFI firmware update that packs an AGESA microcode that reportedly supports the upcoming AMD Ryzen 9000 "Granite Ridge" processors. The "7D74v1D2 beta" firmware update for the MSI MPG B650 Carbon Wi-Fi motherboard encapsulates AGESA ComboPI 1.1.7.0 patch-A, with the description that it supports a "next-gen CPU," a reference to the Ryzen 9000 "Granite Ridge."

A successor to the Ryzen 7000 Raphael, the Ryzen 9000 Granite Ridge introduces the new "Zen 5" microarchitecture to the desktop platform, with CPU core counts remaining up to 16-core/32-thread. The new microarchitecture is expected to introduce generational increase in IPC, as well as improve performance of certain exotic workloads such as AVX-512. The processors are said to be launching alongside the new AMD 800-series motherboard chipset. If AMD is using Computex as a platform to showcase these processors, it's likely we might see the first of these motherboards as well.



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[sepheronx]

lol

I think that guy who wants to build a 10 year PC is gonna find that parts become obsolete what feels much quicker than before.

 

[AusWolf]

I'd wait with updating until it comes out of beta, though.

 

[ARF]

MSI first proves once again that MSI has the best support, and probably the best boards out of them all there.
Maybe ASRock is also good, the others no - asus, gigabyte...

 

[qlum]

MSI first proves once again that MSI has the best support, and probably the best boards out of them all there.
Maybe ASRock is also good, the others no - asus, gigabyte...

I don't think being the first to rush out a beta update for an yet to be released cpu's proves much.

 

[xSneak]

A beta bios for cpus that aren't going to be released until the end of they year. How does that help anyone ?

 

[VuurVOS]

MSI first proves once again that MSI has the best support, and probably the best boards out of them all there.

If it works, everything is fine with their motherboards but if there is an issue you are sometimes very screwed.

My MSI experiences:

• MSI does not proper test bioses before releasing so you need to open a support ticket to get it fixed
• MSI ignores requests to restore bios functionality to the orginal way of working like how it worked in earlier bios releases
• MSI ignores feedback of proper placement of a bios option. Why put "VGA Card Detection" setting under "Onboard LAN Configuration"?
• MSI does not proper test faulty motherboard and send it back unfixed while another MSI motherboard doesn't have the issue.....

I have been quite a MSI fanboy for a long time but due the screw ups with my MSI motherboards (yes multiple motherboards), I decide to avoid them for at least one or two generations.

 

[Denver]

Now I think it's going to be worth migrating to AM5; the difference is going to be too significant to ignore.

 

[jxdking]

MSI first proves once again that MSI has the best support, and probably the best boards out of them all there.
Maybe ASRock is also good, the others no - asus, gigabyte...

MSI bios is compiled by Marketing team, not by engineers.

 

[Steevo]

If it works, everything is fine with their motherboards but if there is an issue you are sometimes very screwed.

My MSI experiences:

• MSI does not proper test bioses before releasing so you need to open a support ticket to get it fixed
• MSI ignores requests to restore bios functionality to the orginal way of working like how it worked in earlier bios releases
• MSI ignores feedback of proper placement of a bios option. Why put "VGA Card Detection" setting under "Onboard LAN Configuration"?
• MSI does not proper test faulty motherboard and send it back unfixed while another MSI motherboard doesn't have the issue.....

I have been quite a MSI fanboy for a long time but due the screw ups with my MSI motherboards (yes multiple motherboards), I decide to avoid them for at least one or two generations.

I stopped using MSI after repeated failures of chipsets, subpar cooling, cheap components.
The $1.25 they save on using more copper or aluminum must make them hundreds of dollars per year while costing them thousands in lost revenue.

Their BIOS options have also always reminded me of badly translated dictionary in a blender work.

 

[Random_User]

Outside of Asus level of "failship", every MB vendor seems to be crapping on userbase, in one way or another . They try so hard, that It's even harder to be a fan of any of the brand these days.

Now I think it's going to be worth migrating to AM5; the difference is going to be too significant to ignore.

These are the same old overpriced garbage motherboards with heavily cut capabilities and features. It's better have newer, and "less shameful" with full feature set and better variety of next gen motherboard stack along Zen 5, or it will have the destiny of X670/B650, which was the real culprit of people holding from upgrade or buying new PC.

 

[ARF]

Now I think it's going to be worth migrating to AM5; the difference is going to be too significant to ignore.

I really don't think so. AM5 offers lower performance per watt.

PassMark - AMD Ryzen 9 5900X - Price performance comparison

PassMark - AMD Ryzen 7 7700X - Price performance comparison

 

[Kaotik]

Asus already got theirs out 2 weeks ago though.

 

[AusWolf]

Outside Asus level of "failship", every MB vendor seems to be crapping on userbase, in one or the other way. They try so hard, that It's even harder to be a fan of any of these brands.

This. Every motherboard vendor screws up sometimes.

I really don't think so. AM5 offers lower performance per watt.

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PassMark - AMD Ryzen 9 5900X - Price performance comparison

PassMark - AMD Ryzen 7 7700X - Price performance comparison

TDP is not the actual power consumption of your CPU, you know that, right?

 

[Random_User]

TDP is not the actual power consumption of your CPU, you know that, right?

People seems are unable to fathom that TDP means thermal power output of the device.

 

[ARF]

TDP is not the actual power consumption of your CPU, you know that, right?

Even if the 7700X eats a little less than the 5900X, I'm still neither impressed or convinced that AM5 is worth it, especially given the much higher requirements for everything - one's pocket depth , coolers, power supplies, new standards which haven't proved yet, etc.
Better skip AM5 for now.

 

[AusWolf]

Even if the 7700X eats a little less than the 5900X, I'm still neither impressed or convinced that AM5 is worth it, especially given the much higher requirements for everything - one's pocket depth , coolers, power supplies, new standards which haven't proved yet, etc.
Better skip AM5 for now.

I didn't swap coolers and power supplies when I went onto AM5. The only cost is the motherboard, CPU and RAM, just like with any reasonable platform upgrade.

 

[ARF]

I didn't swap coolers and power supplies when I went onto AM5. The only cost is the motherboard, CPU and RAM, just like with any reasonable platform upgrade.

I spent 550 euros for my CPU, and more than 200 euros for my motherboard. Plus I don't know how much for DDR4 memory, etc. things.
I will upgrade when the Athlon series or Ryzen 3 series become faster than my current setup.

 

[sLowEnd]

People seems are unable to fathom that TDP means thermal power output of the device.

Power consumption is thermal output. The issue with TDP is it doesn't accurately indicate the power consumption. The 7700X with its "105W" TDP, consumes upwards of 130-140W under load. The 7700 Non-X has a "65W" TDP, but uses in excess of 80W under load.

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[Steevo]

Power consumption is thermal output. The issue with TDP is it doesn't accurately indicate the power consumption. The 7700X with its "105W" TDP, consumes upwards of 130-140W under load. The 7700 Non-X has a "65W" TDP, but uses in excess of 80W under load.

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It’s not 100% heat, but it’s close otherwise CPUs wouldn’t output any signals, I believe it’s like 5-15% less than power consumption is TDP

 

[Gmr_Chick]

I really don't think so. AM5 offers lower performance per watt.

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PassMark - AMD Ryzen 9 5900X - Price performance comparison

PassMark - AMD Ryzen 7 7700X - Price performance comparison

I'd hardly call CPUbenchmark a reliable source to back up ones claims.

Even if the 7700X eats a little less than the 5900X, I'm still neither impressed or convinced that AM5 is worth it, especially given the much higher requirements for everything - one's pocket depth , coolers, power supplies, new standards which haven't proved yet, etc.
Better skip AM5 for now.

I think you're confusing AM5 with LGA 1700....

 

[ARF]

Power consumption is thermal output. The issue with TDP is it doesn't accurately indicate the power consumption. The 7700X with its "105W" TDP, consumes upwards of 130-140W under load. The 7700 Non-X has a "65W" TDP, but uses in excess of 80W under load.

It’s not 100% heat, but it’s close otherwise CPUs wouldn’t output any signals, I believe it’s like 5-15% less than power consumption is TDP

AMD and intel intentionally put lower numbers, I don't know what their aim is, other than to effectively confuse the users.
The "TDP" which they state is an arbitrary number from their labs under their own labs loads...

The real TDP is the max power draw. PPT limit or something similar?
230 watts for the Ryzen 9 7950X.

 

[AusWolf]

Power consumption is thermal output. The issue with TDP is it doesn't accurately indicate the power consumption. The 7700X with its "105W" TDP, consumes upwards of 130-140W under load. The 7700 Non-X has a "65W" TDP, but uses in excess of 80W under load.

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The Ryzen 7 7700 is AMD's most affordable eight-core Zen 4 processor. For $330 you even get a good cooler included that features RGB illumination. Performance data in our review confirms that the 7700 non-X offers pretty much the same performance as the 7700X.

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AMD stated multiple times that TDP is nothing more than a recommendation for cooler manufacturers. In real world numbers, PPT (hard power limit) = TDP × 1.35, which your specific CPU may or may not reach. For example, the 7700X reaches it, while the 7800X3D doesn't come anywhere close. Furthermore, PBO is basically a toggle to extend PPT and other limits according to your motherboard's capabilities, so your mileage may vary.

 

[sLowEnd]

It’s not 100% heat, but it’s close otherwise CPUs wouldn’t output any signals, I believe it’s like 5-15% less than power consumption is TDP

No, you're wrong. Your CPU is a resistive heater. A CPU that consumes 100W of power will produce 100W of heat.

 

[Chrispy_]

A beta bios for cpus that aren't going to be released until the end of they year. How does that help anyone ?

I know, this is a stupid PR stunt.
This beta BIOS (and it's next successor or two) will be superceded even before the first engineering samples are unofficially smuggled out of AMD by a leaker.

No, you're wrong. Your CPU is a resistive heater. A CPU that consumes 100W of power will produce 100W of heat.

Correct, and it's worse than that; For the CPU to consume 100W, your motherboard VRMs need to consume about 110W of power, and your PSU will pull 120W from the wall socket to deliver that 110W of power. All of that is heat, unless it's being converted into light (and smoke, noise, horrible smells, and of course tears).