Monday, August 24th 2009

Radeon HD 5870 Aggressively Priced: Report

According to a fresh report by Donanim Haber, AMD's next performance graphics accelerator, the Radeon HD 5870, codenamed "Cypress" is expected to be aggressively priced, at US $299. At that price, it intends to be highly competitive against GeForce GTX 285 from NVIDIA. The secret-sauce behind the price could be the 40 nm fab process on which the GPU is being built, which allows upping transistor counts while maintaining significantly smaller die-sizes compared to 55 nm.

There is a great deal of uncertainty surrounding the specifications of the GPU, including what level of performance with existing application could it end up offering. Some sources, such as ChipHell, which are one of the first to leak pictures of components related to various Evergreen family products claim the Cypress GPU to have an almost 100% increase in stream processor counts compared to RV770, while others remain conservative expecting it to be around 50%. With this kind of a pricing, Cypress could trigger market-wide changes in GPU pricing, if it ends up with a good price/performance ratio at $299.

Cypress is expected to be launched on 22 September, close to two weeks after the company unveils the Evergreen family of DirectX 11 compliant GPUs on September 10. Market availability is expected in October. In related news from the same report, the enthusiast-grade accelerator that uses two of these GPUs, codenamed "Hemlock", is expected to be out in November.Sources: DonanimHaber
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197 Comments on Radeon HD 5870 Aggressively Priced: Report

#1
sapetto
How much did HD4870 cost at first when launched again $299? :wtf:
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#2
werez
it intends to be highly competitive against GeForce GTX 285 ? lol ... about 3 months ago i was thinking the new 5000 series will get beyond that "limit" . so ... IT`s safe to say that my GTX 260 is competitive against GeForce GTX 285 . . I'm confused
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#3
araditus
yes and the same as the 3870 @ 299$

and werez, i am thinking, just the price point, since NO one knows the performance. its the 285 price point and (lets hope) it is 100% more powerful, well then thats a competitive product.
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#4
werez
oh .. silly me .
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#5
[I.R.A]_FBi
Thats not aggressively priced or targeted ...
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#6
araditus
SO; comes out the same day as the NorthAmerican release of Aion, yes this will go nicely!! I figured I would join the speculation on the specifications:

4870 ---> 5870
73% increase in SP
11% decrease in powerconsumption
33% increase in transistors
clocks will be 895 mhz standard (give or take 5%)
3dmark06 increase of 57% @ 1900x1200
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#7
AltecV1
i was hoping it to be 249$ but its not:ohwell:
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#9
tigger
I'm the only one
It'll be £299 in the rip off uk.
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#11
selway89
by: tigger
It'll be £299 in the rip off uk.
Yup! :( and I want a new 5850 or 5870, hoping they don't price them out of my budget.
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#12
WarEagleAU
Bird of Prey
Sounds like a nice entry point. I expect about 6 months or so and the prices will drop. I was hoping they would do 1000mhz on the core, seeing as the 4890 can get that.
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#13
A Cheese Danish
I still think I'll wait for the X2 version and blow all my money on that
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#14
werez
well .. i don`t know ... i was just surfing around looking for some info , and i came across a dude who clocked a GTX275 at 972/1405/1950 , hahah . XFX card , funny thing .... GT200 is still a powerful chip man .
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#15
KainXS
"waits for 1600sp 5870"

this card is gonna woop the GT200 either way though, but 1200sp vs 1600 will decide if it can outperform a GTX295 or HD4870X2 with 1 card
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#16
werez
outperform GTX295 or HD4870X2 ? your kidding right ? hope you are talking about Hemlock , not the single GPU version .
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#17
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
"Highly competitive" with a GTX 285? WTF does that mean? This sounds like the performance will be similar.

For a brand new architecture and top of the range card, it should be at the very least 50% faster. I hope that it's just that the rumours are wrong.

One thing that occurs to me, is that the card at stock clocks may be similar in performance to a GTX 285, but will overclock to hell and back straight out of the box, with no tweaking required. This could allow AMD to price it low, while still blowing away a GTX 285 in performance when overclocked. As word got round about this, it would fly off the shelves. This is my theory, anyway. :laugh:
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#18
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
Good we need something to bring down nVidia's high end prices...over $300 still for the GTX285 is stupid IMO.
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#19
KainXS
by: werez
outperform GTX295 or HD4870X2 ? your kidding right ? hope you are talking about Hemlock , not the single GPU version .
nope not joking, you have to remember that the GTX295 and HD4870X2 are only about 40 to 60% faster than their single versions in most cases, add in that ATI could be doubling the specs of their new card vs their previous card(which they have never done) and has enough bandwidth to handle it and you have a monster.
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#20
PCpraiser100
Wow, AMD is falling back into the trap that Nvidia has set up AGAIN. This happened when the HD 3000 series came up, and now, Nvidia is simply going to strike back using retaliation as their advantage over knowing the weaknesses of this video card. This reminds me of chess too much.
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#21
KainXS
Think about it, HD5870 could have 1600SP and 32Rops, The HD4870X2 also has 32Rops and 1600SP's but loses performance due to crossfire

which one would be faster

but I will still say the GTX380 would woop it even still.
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#22
kylzer
GOD DAMMIT !!!

so how much will the HD5870x2 be then?
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#23
werez
I think that 40 nm fab process real benefit is just lower power consumption , and lower temperature ... at a 299 US$ price point i can`t really see more than a 10%-15% performance increase (HD4890 as reference) + dx11 full support . Money tells you everything you need to know about a product .
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#24
KainXS
not really, ati needs to sell now before nvidia's new cards come out, high prices might make people want to wait longer.

and these prices are not final even still.
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#25
[I.R.A]_FBi
by: werez
I think that 40 nm fab process real benefit is just lower power consumption , and lower temperature ... at a 299 US$ price point i can`t really see more than a 10%-15% performance increase (HD4890 as reference) + dx11 full support . Money tells you everything you need to know about a product .
fab alone doesnt increase performance
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