Thursday, October 1st 2009

NVIDIA 'Fermi', Tesla Board Pictured in Greater Detail, Non-Functional Dummy Unveiled

Unveiled at the footnote of the GPU Technology Conference 2009, by none other than NVIDIA CEO Jen-Hsun Huang, NVIDIA's Fermi architecture looks promising, at least in the field of GPGPU, which was extensively discussed upon in his address. The first reference board based on NVIDIA's newest 'GT300' GPU is a Tesla HPC processor card, which quickly became the face of the Fermi architecture. Singapore HardwareZone, and PCPop caught some of the first closeup pictures of the Tesla accelerator, and the GPU's BGA itself. Decked in a dash of chrome, the Tesla HPC processor card isn't particularly long, instead a great deal of compacting by its designers is evident. It draws power from one 8-pin, and 6-pin PCI-E power connectors, which aren't located next to each other. The cooler's blower also draws air from openings in the PCB, and a backplate further cools the GPU (and possibly other components located) from behind. From the looks of it, the GPU package itself isn't larger than that of the GT200 or its predecessor, the G80. Looks like NVIDIA is ready with a working prototype against all odds, after all, doesn't it? Not quite. On close inspection of the PCB, it doesn't look like a working sample. Components that are expected to have pins protruding soldered on the other side, don't have them, and the PCB seems to be abruptly ending. Perhaps it's only a dummy made to display at GTC, and give an indication of how the card ends up looking like. In other words, it doesn't look like NVIDIA has a working prototype/sample of the card they intended to have displayed the other day.
Sources: Singapore HardwareZone, PCPop
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94 Comments on NVIDIA 'Fermi', Tesla Board Pictured in Greater Detail, Non-Functional Dummy Unveiled

#1
tigger
I'm the only one
It was just retarded,they would have been better off saying they had nothing ready yet,it was just a retarded effort to trump ati.They could have showed cgi pics of what the real card would look like,people would have accepted that and they would'nt have got laughed at.
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#2
shevanel
by: tigger
It was just retarded,they would have been better off saying they had nothing ready yet,it was just a retarded effort to trump ati.They could have showed cgi pics of what the real card would look like,people would have accepted that and they would'nt have got laughed at.
Yeah, good point. A picture of the proposed design would be 100x's better than some prop.
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#3
Assimilator
We all agree that this card is a dummy...my question is, what card did that PCB come from?

Given the fan hole, I'd assume it's from a 9800 GX2 or GTX 295 - except neither of those have dual SLI connectors, and this PCB definitely looks like it was fabricated with both of those connectors.

I have to say that I'm disappointed with nVidia. I've never had much respect for the smoke and mirrors BS that marketing people continually pull, and for nV to allow their marketing department to have their way with this "launch" is not a good sign. While I flat-out cannot believe the "2% yields" rumour, I do believe that nVidia are having a lot more trouble with GT300 than they're letting on.

All of which, of course, is good for ATI and the consumer. Until GT300 finally appears - and that will probably be after Christmas - ATI will rule the roost, which will hopefully pull more developers away from TWIMTBP and (of course) help ATI's bottom line.

ATI have done very well in this round of the "video card wars", and I applaud them. If I do buy a graphics card this year, it will be an ATI.
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#4
Meizuman
by: largon
You forgot to credit saaya at XS for the pic.
http://largon.wippiespace.com/smilies/poke.gif
I found it on a Finnish website, that had news about this mock-up. Just a link amongst the comments. Had no idea about the "author" :rolleyes:

Edit: One thing no-one mentioned, was that they actually said to the photographers that it is just a mock-up...
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1343173#post1343173

Edit: From AnandTech:
I asked two people at NVIDIA why Fermi is late; NVIDIA's VP of Product Marketing, Ujesh Desai and NVIDIA's VP of GPU Engineering, Jonah Alben. Ujesh responded: because designing GPUs this big is "fucking hard".
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#5
CDdude55
Crazy 4 TPU!!!
From HardOCP news.:
In a really pathetic display, Nvidia actually faked the introduction of its latest video card, because it simply doesn't have boards to show. Why? Because it didn't get enough parts to properly bring them up, much less make demo boards. Why do we say they are faked? If you look at the pictures, it is painfully obvious that Fermi cards don't exist.
Still can't wait for Nvidias cards.:)
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#7
Bo_Fox
I'm wondering if this did more damage than good to Nvidia's stock this month?

Stockholders probably like how Nvidia is optimistic enough to show a non-functional prototype, just to show what the overall card looks like, but to be caught red-handed in trying to fool us like as if we are such idiots and then confessing it later as a fake card...

Personally, I think it hurts Nvidia overall to do this kind of thing. At least they should have never allowed any close-up pictures to be taken of this fake card.

I do not think Nvidia is really that dumb to shoot itself in the foot for nothing. Perhaps Nvidia is doing this to try to get ATI to be overly complacent for the following months (slacking off with their pending 5870X2 and 5890 launches) and then shock everybody with a hard launch of GT300 cards as early as December.
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#8
lemode
i really like the chromed out look! Makes me wany to MOD my car and have acetate plate showcasing 2 chromed out PCs that the kids could PvP against each other on long drives on the little LCDs on the back of the head rest :roll:
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#9
jaredpace
"cut along the dotted red line"

Look on the back of the card; what a lame ass thing to do.
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#10
KainXS
its kinda like someone showing you a winning lottery ticket and getting you riled up then say you want this, then you get it and your happy, then you see the back of it and its fake:laugh:
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#11
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
by: Assimilator
All of which, of course, is good for ATI and the consumer. Until GT300 finally appears - and that will probably be after Christmas - ATI will rule the roost, which will hopefully pull more developers away from TWIMTBP and (of course) help ATI's bottom line.

ATI have done very well in this round of the "video card wars", and I applaud them. If I do buy a graphics card this year, it will be an ATI.
The problem I have with that is I don't like rushed products. The RV600 was rush, obviously for different reasons, but still rushed. And it turned into a crummy product. Rushed products aren't good products in the end. The RV870 just smells of rush to me, ATi obviously pushed it through to get it out before nVidia. The problem is that even after RV870's launch, nVidia is still in the lead. So they can't rule the roost quite yet. If they manage to get the HD5870x2 out before Christmas, then they will rule the roost, but not yet. The GTX295 still outperforms the HD5870.

And you can't say they have done very good in this round yet, when the round has just begun. You wouldn't say a boxer won the match before the second boxer even stepping in the ring, would you?

And my guess would be that the PCB is from an early prototype of the card, and it was modified to give an idea of the look of the final product. This way they aren't showing something that looks nothing like the final product.
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#12
Kantastic
by: newtekie1
The problem I have with that is I don't like rushed products. The RV600 was rush, obviously for different reasons, but still rushed. And it turned into a crummy product. Rushed products aren't good products in the end. The RV870 just smells of rush to me, ATi obviously pushed it through to get it out before nVidia. The problem is that even after RV870's launch, nVidia is still in the lead. So they can't rule the roost quite yet. If they manage to get the HD5870x2 out before Christmas, then they will rule the roost, but not yet. The GTX295 still outperforms the HD5870.

And you can't say they have done very good in this round yet, when the round has just begun. You wouldn't say a boxer won the match before the second boxer even stepping in the ring, would you?

And my guess would be that the PCB is from an early prototype of the card, and it was modified to give an idea of the look of the final product. This way they aren't showing something that looks nothing like the final product.
Wow I've never seen you say anything positive about ATI yet. :nutkick:
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#13
erocker
Prototype PCB's don't have ROHS stickers and bar codes. Most likely not a Fermi PCB in any way. Nvidia hater here: http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=853&page=8

In my opinion, the card was a complete fakery. Nothing more than to put "Nvidia shows next gen whatever" in the headines of the buisness page for their shareholders.

As Binge posted in the other thread. The real Fermi: http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=1579097&postcount=207

Of course, when the card is actually released (and it will be) the point will be moot.
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#15
AsRock
TPU addict
by: Assimilator
We all agree that this card is a dummy...my question is, what card did that PCB come from?

Given the fan hole, I'd assume it's from a 9800 GX2 or GTX 295 - except neither of those have dual SLI connectors, and this PCB definitely looks like it was fabricated with both of those connectors.

I have to say that I'm disappointed with nVidia. I've never had much respect for the smoke and mirrors BS that marketing people continually pull, and for nV to allow their marketing department to have their way with this "launch" is not a good sign. While I flat-out cannot believe the "2% yields" rumour, I do believe that nVidia are having a lot more trouble with GT300 than they're letting on.

All of which, of course, is good for ATI and the consumer. Until GT300 finally appears - and that will probably be after Christmas - ATI will rule the roost, which will hopefully pull more developers away from TWIMTBP and (of course) help ATI's bottom line.

ATI have done very well in this round of the "video card wars", and I applaud them. If I do buy a graphics card this year, it will be an ATI.
I think it is the 300 model but they needed to re do it for one or more reasons and made it to the size they expect it to be. Although looks like they might have the cooler ready :P.
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#16
inferKNOX
by: newtekie1
The problem I have with that is...
... you love nVidia absolutely and beyond reasonable comprehension, and would defend it to the death & beyond.:roll:

(just thought I'd finish that off with a more... direct statement of how you feel;))
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#17
shevanel
295 might still beat a 5870 but when the DX11 games start coming out, the gamers are going to want to play them, in direct x 11. nvidia says it will not help ati sell cards.. i think it will. there have been very few fun games out lately and when some new games come out people are going to want to ride the dx11 wagon to break the mononity
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#18
KainXS
The R87X GPU itself was not rushed, the design for the cards were closed by the time the R700's came out, the problem is that ATI probably didn't spend much time optimizing the drivers before release. The R600 was kinda rushed though but the situatio was different, it was the equivalent of Nvidia Going from the G80 to the G92, pretty much the same GPU with optimizations here and there and a die strink and smaller bus, but the problem was the 2900XT had a problem with AA and ATI didn't notice it and it hit em in the face with the HD3800 series.

Even now the specifications for the R900 are closed but the card is not in production yet, with the R1000 GPU itself being currently in development.

The PCB in the picture is probably from a refused prototype of a PCB, could be from any of the 8 series and up, nobody will eva know.
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#19
inferKNOX
by: KainXS
... the problem is that ATI probably didn't spend much time optimizing the drivers before release.
Driver optimisation is an ongoing process and unless there are show-stopping problems, have no reason to halt the product release. For initial drivers, the current Catalyst is letting the HD58xx perform pretty well and improvements on that will just be a welcome bonus.:)
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