Friday, June 25th 2010

Blu-ray Disc Association Approves Final BDXL Format Specifications

The Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) today announced the finalization and release of the specifications for BDXL, the new multi-layer recordable Blu-ray Disc format with up to 128GB of capacity. With the completion and approval of the specification, manufacturers can now obtain licensing information and license applications needed to begin production of the high capacity write-once and rewritable discs and hardware.

Targeted primarily at commercial segments such as broadcasting, medical and document imaging enterprises with significant archiving needs, BDXL provides customers with triple layer 100GB RE (rewritable) and R (write-once) discs and quadruple layer 128GB R discs. Possible consumer applications include capture and playback of HD broadcast and satellite programming in markets where set-top recorders are prevalent.

"The BDA worked diligently to create an extension of the Blu-ray Disc format that leverages the physical structure of the design of the disc to create even more storage capacity,” said Victor Matsuda, Blu-ray Disc Association Global Promotions Committee chair. “By using the existing Blu-ray technologies, we have created a long-term and stable solution for archiving large amounts of sensitive data, video and graphic images. We expect further growth of the Blu-ray Disc market as the introduction of 100GB/128GB discs will expand the application of Blu-ray Disc technologies.”

The BDXL specification was developed with specific market segments in mind, and newly-designed hardware addressing such markets will play back or record BDXL media. However, because the new media specifications are extensions of current Blu-ray Disc technologies, future BDXL capable recorders can easily be designed to play back existing 25GB and 50GB Blu-ray Disc formats.
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28 Comments on Blu-ray Disc Association Approves Final BDXL Format Specifications

#1
Sasqui
Like to hear stories from those who've backed up data on BD R/W media as it stands now... anyone?
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#2

Blah blue blah, a conventional hard drive is still cheaper, faster, convenient, reusable and more eco friendly, do you know how many unwanted cds and dvds will end up in landfills this year.
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Easy Rhino
Linux Advocate
by: Taskforce
Blah blue blah, a conventional hard drive is still cheaper, faster, convenient, reusable and more eco friendly, do you know how many unwanted cds and dvds will end up in landfills this year.
less of them now that you can fit 25 5gig dvds on one of these new BDXL discs...
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#4
Kreij
Senior Monkey Moderator
DBXL's are reusable if you get RW. How are HDD eco-friendly? Do you know how many of them end up in the garbage too?

Anyway, It's a lot easier to mail a disk than HDD :toast:
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#5
TheLostSwede
With the small exception that anyone can plug in a hard drive, but these new BDXL discs only work in BDXL drives...
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#6
Easy Rhino
Linux Advocate
by: btarunr


The BDXL specification was developed with specific market segments in mind, and newly-designed hardware addressing such markets will play back or record BDXL media. However, because the new media specifications are extensions of current Blu-ray Disc technologies, future BDXL capable recorders can easily be designed to play back existing 25GB and 50GB Blu-ray Disc formats.
by: TheLostSwede
With the small exception that anyone can plug in a hard drive, but these new BDXL discs only work in BDXL drives...
this is not something they are going to bring mainstream yet. they decided on a new standard so that the engineers from different manufacturers use the same main specs.
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#7
Kreij
Senior Monkey Moderator
I think hard disks are similar. When SATA first came out you could not plug them into IDE only computers. (shrug)
Technology marches on.
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#8
Phxprovost
Xtreme Refugee
and the price is?
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#9
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
by: Kreij
DBXL's are reusable if you get RW. How are HDD eco-friendly? Do you know how many of them end up in the garbage too?
RW disks only get like at most 100 writes before they start to fail. HDDs, as you know, can take millions if not billions of writes.


I am still very much anti-BluRay because of the motives behind it (DRM).
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Easy Rhino
Linux Advocate
by: FordGT90Concept
RW disks only get like at most 100 writes before they start to fail. HDDs, as you know, can take millions if not billions of writes.


I am still very much anti-BluRay because of the motives behind it (DRM).
optical media like blu-ray is no more guilty of DRM than digitally distributed games via the internet...
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#12
Easy Rhino
Linux Advocate
by: FordGT90Concept
Not sure what that's supposed to mean but here's a list of DRM features in BD-DVD disks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#Digital_rights_management

The only difference is that once a disk protection scheme is defeated, there's no fixing it.
i guess i just don't care about DRM or see the purpose is being anti-format when every form of digital media is going to have DRM at some point in some form.
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#13
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
1.2 MiB and 1.44 MiB floppies had no DRM. Nor do magnetic tapes. Compact Discs had a copy-able bit but not sure if one could really consider that DRM. It wasn't until the film industry (DVD, HD-DVD, BD-DVD) got involved that DRM became integral to the format.

Meh, this is off topic.


I can't get excited about anything BluRay until it becomes affordable and/or commonplace.
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#14
Hayder_Master
i think they should find something to replace CD's, the technology replace the HDD with SSD, so i think time to remove anything physical inside the case, they can sell software's and games on memory sticks, less size and cost less than blue ray disk, and the most important thing it's recycle
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#15
EastCoasthandle
by: Sasqui
Like to hear stories from those who've backed up data on BD R/W media as it stands now... anyone?
:laugh:
I don't think you will find many doing that. We have to face it, dvd media has already peeked and now I think it's time for some other media to rise in the ranks.
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by: Kreij
DBXL's are reusable if you get RW. How are HDD eco-friendly? Do you know how many of them end up in the garbage too?

Anyway, It's a lot easier to mail a disk than HDD :toast:
Yes everything ultimately ends at the disposal unit, but you'll find more CD's at landfill than hard drives 30:1 ratio even greater, so less garbage produced + reusable for years = eco friendly in my books.

"RW disc start to degrade after it's 10th or so rewrite, scratches etc."

As for shipping, i can ship 1TB hard drive for five bucks, it would take a costly amount of Blu-rays and a large box to ship the same amount of data, not to mention a 1TB can be had for just $65, if you're renting movies by mail order i can understand, but even renting is becoming obsolete, flash is the future.
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#17
Fourstaff
by: Taskforce

As for shipping, i can ship 1TB hard drive for five bucks, it would take a costly amount of Blu-rays and a large box to ship the same amount of data, not to mention a 1TB can be had for just $65, if you're renting movies by mail order i can understand, but even renting is becoming obsolete, flash is the future.
Well, I think with the new Blu-Ray you get 128Gb, so you only need 8 of those. I think you can ship 8 Blu-rays for less than 5 bucks ( or at least equal to the 1TB HDD)
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#18
MikeX
If eSATA get any thinner, its end for bluray. Else we use magnetic disk from the inner harddisk as replacement for CD technology; ei insert them like floppies for future use, magnetic disk would be standard for most computing.

If harddisk keep winning, when EMP waves come to hit - all the magnetic storage devices would go corrupted. By that time a blu-ray disk may save your day, if well kept it could last longer than magnetic devices.:nutkick:

Don't know if this will ever happen, but I think disks can save data as long as you keep it safe.
Disks = keep important data, think of a old tablet written in a CD.
Drives and Flash = data you want to get it quick and cheaply.
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#19
wahdangun
by: Taskforce
Yes everything ultimately ends at the disposal unit, but you'll find more CD's at landfill than hard drives 30:1 ratio even greater, so less garbage produced + reusable for years = eco friendly in my books.

"RW disc start to degrade after it's 10th or so rewrite, scratches etc."

As for shipping, i can ship 1TB hard drive for five bucks, it would take a costly amount of Blu-rays and a large box to ship the same amount of data, not to mention a 1TB can be had for just $65, if you're renting movies by mail order i can understand, but even renting is becoming obsolete, flash is the future.
btw do you know that CD/DVD/BD are more eco friendly than mechanical HDD ? because its easier to recycle it than HDD, because HDD consist of many parts, like plastic, Metal and PCB (even PCB are more toxic).


and btw, HDD is more fragile than optical format because you can't drop it(thats why i alway use insurance when shipping it) or it will have bad sector and render your data useless
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#20
kid41212003
by: btarunr

Targeted primarily at commercial segments such as broadcasting, medical and document imaging enterprises with significant archiving needs, BDXL provides customers with triple layer 100GB RE (rewritable) and R (write-once) discs and quadruple layer 128GB R discs. Possible consumer applications include capture and playback of HD broadcast and satellite programming in markets where set-top recorders are prevalent. [---]
by: FordGT90Concept
RW disks only get like at most 100 writes before they start to fail. HDDs, as you know, can take millions if not billions of writes.


I am still very much anti-BluRay because of the motives behind it (DRM).
You are the one againsted buying games on Steam and only prefer physical disks are now against bluray new format. I don't know what's going in your head really.

The only DRM that i found unreasonable right now is the one that forced you to be online WHILE playing games.
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#21
my_name_is_earl
I think it's more effective too buy a portable drive and backup instead.
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#22
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
by: kid41212003
You are the one againsted buying games on Steam and only prefer physical disks are now against bluray new format. I don't know what's going in your head really.

The only DRM that i found unreasonable right now is the one that forced you to be online WHILE playing games.
I wouldn't mind HD-DVD; it was the lesser of two evils. Now we are left with plain evil. :p

Between BD-DVD and digital distribution, BD-DVD is the lesser of those evils.


Flash is not the future. You can pack more pits or magnetic feilds on a surface than you can fit metal switches. Not to mention, you can do it for much, much less cost per GiB.
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#23
Mussels
Moderprator
by: Sasqui
Like to hear stories from those who've backed up data on BD R/W media as it stands now... anyone?
8x reads a 50GB disk in about an hour, so writing a 50GB disk would be the same.

4x burner = 2 hours to burn 50GB...
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#24
pr0n Inspector
Write once discs are better than HDD for many purposes. archiving, back-ups, passing on files without fear of deletion or modification are the first ones that come to mind.
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#25
Depth
I bought a Blu-Ray drive for my computer along with some movies. I couldn't watch anything because my display was not HDCP-capable. Going into the Nvidia control panel, I read "Your system is HDCP capable", next to a big green check sign... :banghead:

Using the drive with DVD worked well and fine for about two months until it started making the computer hang while making strange noises. Threw the (now) worthless thing out and put in my old trusted DVD+RW drive :toast:
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