Tuesday, August 17th 2010

Roccat Intros Kone[+] Gaming Mouse with 6000 dpi Sensor

Roccat rolled out its latest mouse that's a design and specifications update to its popular Kone mouse, the Roccat Kone[+]. The Kone[+] boasts of a high-precision 6,000 dpi Pro-Aim laser sensor compared to the 3,200 dpi sensor on the Kone; and a Tracking & Distance Control Unit that ensures maximum precision. With a right-handed orientation, the Kone[+] has 8 buttons with a four-way scroll-wheel, its weight is adjustable by changing weight of a weight box. The EasyShift button mapping system enables up to 22 functions using the 8 physical buttons, button-maps can be changed on the mouse, and each map can be indicated with the multi-color LED lighting bars that flow along the contours of the mouse. Under the hood is a 75 MHz TurboCore processor that reduces system overhead, and 576 KB of memory to store button maps. Poised for release later this month, the Kone[+] from Roccat will be priced at around 80 EUR.
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27 Comments on Roccat Intros Kone[+] Gaming Mouse with 6000 dpi Sensor

#1
983264
WTH?! 6000DPI?! supersensitive...
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#2
HillBeast
The first picture made it look left handed. It looks pretty nice. TOO BAD IT'S NOT LEFT HANDED! Grrr. I wish they'd make left handed gaming mice...
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Rakesh95
by: HillBeast
The first picture made it look left handed. It looks pretty nice. TOO BAD IT'S NOT LEFT HANDED! Grrr. I wish they'd make left handed gaming mice...
I do feel sorry for you guys. 6000dpi is just something to market about imo.
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#4
inferKNOX
Good build quality by Roccat, no doubt, but I hate the placement of the side button for the thumb!
Why put them above the thumb rather than in line with it?
6000 dpi is just insane though! I think you'd need a 2560x1600 rezo to take advantage of that sort of precision.
The same way raw graphics performance isn't enough for gfx cards though, I don't think raw dpi numbers are enough for mice. Need more features & better design now, as well as hybridising them (making them with wired and wireless functionality).
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#5
Tannhäuser
At first glance I've read "system overheat". ;)
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#6
AndreiD
Good build quality by Roccat? You've got to be kidding me.
I had a Roccat Kone and I had to RMA it 3 times, until I got fed up with Roccat's build quality and asked for my money back.
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#7
caleb
inferKNOX that side button ownz. I have G9 and the thing I hate the most about logitech mouses are those damn small/thin side buttons, this looks a bit lame but I think it will be more handy in fast shooting on the long run.
6000 dpi lol I wonder you can set ingame sensitivity that low to be able to play on that :)

EDIT: I thought that round thing on the side/buttom is the side button ?! Huh ?
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#8
Tannhäuser
Well, it looks bulky. To many edges in thumb area.
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#9
fenurch
Lol, they released the original around a year ago (or it might've been that other one).
However, 4-way scroll wheel is the most annoying thing on a mice that could ever be made, so seriously anti-kudos for this.
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#10
Mescalamba
And..

..another contender in sh*t-mouse race using world worst gaming sensor = Avago 9500. Today interpolated to sh*ty 6000 DPi. Thats sure win for ROCCAT and sure fail for any progamer.

Have fun and stay away from that sh*t, bro!


(only gaming mouse usable with this is G9x and its very limited use, cause even if it has very little of problems common to Avago 9500, it still has them, I can only suggest buying Razer, even with that Z-tracking problem.. still better)
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#11
inferKNOX
@[USER=86736]AndreiD[/USER]: Well I speak based on the phenomenal build quality of the Roccat Kave 5.1 headset.
Fair enough it they fail with the Kone, or mice in general.

@[USER=1000]caleb[/USER]: Did you mistake the "weight box" for the buttons?
I'm complaining that they made an excellent contour for your thumb, then make you have to move your thumb right out of it to press the thumb buttons!:wtf:
It's a good as making a bike with a great seat, then making it impossible to peddle while sitting...
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#12
Tannhäuser
by: Mescalamba
..another contender in sh*t-mouse race using world worst gaming sensor = Avago 9500.
Mesca, do you have some further details about that unit? And why is the Avago 9500 so crappy? Didn't know, that the manufacturers of mice share some parts ...
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#13
MomentoMoir
by: HillBeast
The first picture made it look left handed. It looks pretty nice. TOO BAD IT'S NOT LEFT HANDED! Grrr. I wish they'd make left handed gaming mice...
There are left handed gaming mice out there.
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Mescalamba
by: Tannhäuser
Mesca, do you have some further details about that unit? And why is the Avago 9500 so crappy? Didn't know, that the manufacturers of mice share some parts ...
http://www.avagotech.com/pages/en/navigation_interface_devices/navigation_sensors/laserstream/adns-9500/

"self-adjusting frame rate for optimum performance"

What it basicly does is, that it changes mouse speed by itself. Some manufacturers (Logitech) managed to negate this thing pretty good, some others (SteelSeries) probably left it as it is resulting in quite noticable jumps in speed.

You can imagine how annoying is, when you play and suddenly you feel like you just lost around 600 DPi.

Manufacturers of mices share lots of parts, probably cause there is only like two manufacturers of gaming capable laser and optical sensors, namely Avago and Phillips. Some mices share even complete inside, just outer shell is different. Usually those less known.

There are some rumours about positive acceleration of Avago 9500, cant confirm that, but I guess they just mistaken this "self-adjusting framrate" for that. Cause what it basicly do is, that it speeds up and down mice.. (it changes scanning rate of mouse, but result is same).

Yea and top of that, all mices based on this suffer from real DPi change by itself, it seems more noticable after you use mouse (for example G9x) for longer period of time (like after few months, or half a year). And I have feeling its getting worse, which means that sensor have some kind of limited lifetime or what.. Definetly not happy with that now.

And to add more crappiness, they interpolate 5040 DPi to 6000 via SW.. great, as if it wasnt bad before.. I had Gigabyte Ghost GM-M8000X for review, which has same sensor and same interpolation and 6000 is nicely and totaly unusable.

Hate this marketing sh*t, its same as megapixels in compact cameras, worth nothing, only degrading image further.
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#15
HillBeast
by: MomentoMoir
There are left handed gaming mice out there.
Not where I live. I know there are but they're almost impossible to find.
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#16
Tannhäuser
That's pretty interesting. I've already reviewed A LOT gamer mices but I wasn't aware about the interpolation of those units. Some problems could have been solved when some software settings had been altered. Sometimes it was a failure of the firmware and so on ... Still it's very difficult to have an objective review at the end. Who is able to check DPI-Responses and the overall performance by numbers? (sorry for bad english, not much time to write here ...)
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#17
Mescalamba
by: HillBeast
Not where I live. I know there are but they're almost impossible to find.
Razer have left-handed DeathAdder, should be possible to get even in New Zealand. Or get some ambidextrous. ROCCAT is German, so probably would be bit harder to get it there..
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#18
Mescalamba
by: Tannhäuser
That's pretty interesting. I've already reviewed A LOT gamer mices but I wasn't aware about the interpolation of those units. Some problems could have been solved when some software settings had been altered. Sometimes it was a failure of the firmware and so on ... Still it's very difficult to have an objective review at the end. Who is able to check DPI-Responses and the overall performance by numbers? (sorry for bad english, not much time to write here ...)
Objective review is very hard to write.

Checking DPi and response can be done, but I simply believe my senses. :) And I tend to use reviewed mouse or HW at least for month, so all flaws came out (or positive things).

FW failure can be, but when these mices all share same flaws, its hardly FW thing.

For comparsion how good or bad mouse is, is good to have DeathAdder V1 with FW which has disabled prediction and all that SW stuff, you will get very very accurate mouse. Probably best ever made, well, except fact that I cant use it due ergonomics, but that doesnt make it worse. Just not for me and still has best sensor I ever used.
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#19
AsRock
TPU addict
Under the hood is a 75 MHz TurboCore processor
First thing i thought was Intels old DX chips lol.


by: HillBeast
The first picture made it look left handed. It looks pretty nice. TOO BAD IT'S NOT LEFT HANDED! Grrr. I wish they'd make left handed gaming mice...
So true that, shame they did not put 2 buttons on the other side of it as that would of been ok for me going by the shape of it.
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#20
WarEagleAU
Bird of Prey
Love the color. Id probably scoop this up.
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#21
aCid888*
Its pretty obvious we need higher DPI mice....after all, moving your hand 1mm to get your cursor to move 24ft is the way forward.








Or not.


Lower sens = higher accuracy.....when will people learn this. :shadedshu
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#22
inferKNOX
@aCid888*
Lol, they're making high dpi mice, and extra large mousepads!
Moving this mouse from one side to the other of the mousepad will move the cursor from England to Japan! LOL!
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#23
Noy
by: Mescalamba
..another contender in sh*t-mouse race using world worst gaming sensor = Avago 9500. Today interpolated to sh*ty 6000 DPi. Thats sure win for ROCCAT and sure fail for any progamer.

Have fun and stay away from that sh*t, bro!


(only gaming mouse usable with this is G9x and its very limited use, cause even if it has very little of problems common to Avago 9500, it still has them, I can only suggest buying Razer, even with that Z-tracking problem.. still better)
Got a friend who would disagree with you there!

I'm like you in that I can't use a mouse knowing it has tracking problems. I bought the Xai purely as a desktop mouse and I can see its issues (jitter due to dust or whatever). I also used Mouse Movement Recorder and can see the tracking issue. I have a clan mate who doesn't pay attention to this stuff and just uses what is the next best thing and his aim is just as good as it was with the IE 3.0 and Razer Krait/Diamondback Plasma Limited Edition. His aim is better than mine. I do think these tests are important but don't make or break how good you are at a game, which is how some people tend to use them (myself included).
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#24
AsRock
TPU addict
by: aCid888*
Its pretty obvious we need higher DPI mice....after all, moving your hand 1mm to get your cursor to move 24ft is the way forward.








Or not.


Lower sens = higher accuracy.....when will people learn this. :shadedshu
Or you could have better DPI and slow the mouse down so it actually makes it smoother,
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