*edit* beat to it :laugh:

BenetanegiaNot according to Steam survey. They are doing quite well lately. You have to take into account that Fermi is relatively new. You need some months until you get enough market penetration and mainstream recognition. Evergreen didn't really start selling well until 3-6 months after release.


GTX480, 470, 465 and 460 all of them compete against the 5800 series. The combined DX11 share for GTX460-to-480 is 15,72% against 31.13% for HD5800. Twice the number of cards for twice the amount of time in the market. Thanks to GTX460 that will only raise in Nvidia's favor in October, most probably.

Notice that the 5800 and 5700 cards dropped around 16% in that time and the nvidia cards gained around 11%

Imsochoboif you ask me nvidia only have two cards to compete in descrete graphics.

460 and 470
the rest is pretty much rubish...

And they haven't picked up that much, loosing steady the last 12 months. atleast here.

Lol, seeing as the 460 has not been out a year that is fairly irrelivent, Q3/Q4 results will show that the NVidia mid range products have caught up somewhat, lets face it the majority of the sales come from the low/mid sectors so the 480 was never going to Epic Fail them, the epic fail was down to the very late introduction of fermi and the fact that even when introduced it took them a while to get into the low/mid sectors.

meirb111thanks for the info from what i see this is like 3xxx series not much for an upgrade
from the 2xxx

You couldn't be more wrong.
This is going to be the biggest upgrade (architectural change) since R600.

BenetanegiaNot according to Steam survey. They are doing quite well lately. You have to take into account that Fermi is relatively new. You need some months until you get enough market penetration and mainstream recognition. Evergreen didn't really start selling well until 3-6 months after release.

GTX480, 470, 465 and 460 all of them compete against the 5800 series. The combined DX11 share for GTX460-to-480 is 15,72% against 31.13% for HD5800. Twice the number of cards for twice the amount of time in the market. Thanks to GTX460 that will only raise in Nvidia's favor in October, most probably.

That's one way to count it.
I see it more like 84.14% DX11 ATI market share vs 15.72% for nVidia.
Just because nVidia is one year later than ATI with mainstream products (GTS450 & GT430), doesn't mean you can discount half of ATI's product range. With ATI people have had a chose from low-end to high-end.

MrMilliYou couldn't be more wrong.
This is going to be the biggest upgrade (architectural change) since R600.

realy architectural i am not buying a house the main reason for upgrade is more performance
for the same money if i buy a card for 200$ and a new card comes it has to be stronger.
less power for the same performance is not an upgrade for me would you upgrade your cpu
for a cpu with the same performance but less power that will be waste of money

Tatty_OneActually, to be fair, NVidia is selling a large amount of Fermi ATM, things have picked up with them considerably since the 460.

Indeed they have, but the initial negative publicity was very bad, just like the Xbox 360.

MrMilliThat's one way to count it.
I see it more like 84.14% DX11 ATI market share vs 15.72% for nVidia.
Just because nVidia is one year later than ATI with mainstream products (GTS450 & GT430), doesn't mean you can discount half of ATI's product range. With ATI people have had a chose from low-end to high-end.

It was being discussed if Nvidia cards were selling or not, not how many Ati/Nvidia cards are out there. And the cards that are on the market already, are selling, that's the point. There's no figures for GTS450, but we'll see them in October I guess.

You clearly don't know what market share is btw. Everything points out that market share is 50/50 right now, maybe even a little bit in Nvidia's advantage.

This is bigger BS ive read here in last year ... everything in this NEWSPOST is wrong :)

OBRThis is bigger BS ive read here in last year ... everything in this NEWSPOST is wrong :)

Then tell us the right information and quote your sources :p

^^ I concur.

OBRThis is bigger BS ive read here in last year ... everything in this NEWSPOST is wrong :)

Ohhhh Noes my "troll" sensor has just gone off :rolleyes:

Urgh ... bored with people complaining about the product name/number.

If you look at the product numbers alone, by rights a HD5570 should be faster than a HD4890; it's got a higher number right? Wrong. You know this. I know this. Everyone that's vaguely interested in computer tech knows this.
I don't understand why people are still getting their knickers twisted about a logical number change. It's done. Everyone knows what it means now. Move along. Anyone that doesn't first look at W1zz's review of the 6800 series before buying one, thinking it'll be a significant upgrade to the 5800, kind of deserves what they get.

Summary:

• Barts is the successor to HD5700
• It's getting a different second digit this time (second best chip = second highest identifier)
• Cayman is the successor to the HD5800
• It's getting a different second digit this time too (best chip = highest identifier)
• We all know this
• Move along

^^ true dat im getting tired of crybabies its not hard to figure out takes a max 2min.

yes yes ,,, lets move on, we do always so lets hurry up
anyway, cant wait to see how these overclock,, but i wonder if 6870 is at 900mhz already, how much oc room will it have, im assuming 6850 will have more room obviously
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What day does the NDA end, anyway?

My credit card is poised for a semi-new build (i5 760 + mobo + RAM + GPU) - and I would love to have near-5870 performance for <5850 prices - which will hopefully be where the 6870 ends up. It's either that or a heavily OC'd 460.

gumptyI don't understand why people are still getting their knickers twisted about a logical number change. It's done. Everyone knows what it means now. Move along. Anyone that doesn't first look at W1zz's review of the 6800 series before buying one, thinking it'll be a significant upgrade to the 5800, kind of deserves what they get.

Firstly, there is nothing logical about the change. Secondly, not everyone is an enthusiast: a lot of these cards will be put into pre-built systems and in the face of a deliberate attempt to deceive, placing the onus on the consumer is misguided at best. There is little justification for the number change and whilst it's not something that I'll lose any sleep over, I have no problem drawing attention to underhand marketing practices, irrespective of the company in question.

hey gumpty, if ur main computer use revolved around gaming, would it be better to get (i5 760 + mobo + RAM + GPU), or leave system as is, but get a more powerful 6900 series gpu? just wondering,, i myslef been using phenomIIx4 940 at 3.6ghz for almost 2 years now,,thinking of similar semi-new build, but how much of an improvement is i5 over 3ghz+ phenomIIx4 or q6600
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Nice CARD!

BenetanegiaEverything points out that market share is 50/50 right now, maybe even a little bit in Nvidia's advantage

Yes, now. The GTX 460 definitely has the win. However, the point other people are making is that because it was 'x' months behind, many people have already bought their DX11 cards from ATI. This means I went ATI back in 09. So because many people have already bought into the DX11 carnival with ATI products, they aren't buying cards now.

So in summary, NV right now are probably selling more DX 11 parts (because many people went out and got theirs from ATI back then.) So it's NV's turn to get the volume. I've also noticed less ATI 58xx parts in the channels, stock being depleted perhaps?

So all in all, we're all happy :)

I sense Amd and Ati both have something up their sleeves. :cool: Nvida knows they are about to be 'served' lol.. and will continue to lower prices.

Any news on how the 6000's will fold ?

Mr McCFirstly, there is nothing logical about the change. Secondly, not everyone is an enthusiast: a lot of these cards will be put into pre-built systems and in the face of a deliberate attempt to deceive, placing the onus on the consumer is misguided at best. There is little justification for the number change and whilst it's not something that I'll lose any sleep over, I have no problem drawing attention to underhand marketing practices, irrespective of the company in question.

There is logic behind it. As I said above, the best chip (Cayman) gets the highest identifier (#9##), while the second best chip (Barts) gets the second highest identifier (#8##).
If they are priced as a successor to HD5700, then a pre-built system with a 5870 will cost more than a pre-built system with a 6870. And how long are the 5800 series going to be around for anyway? I thought their replacement was due by the end of the year.

I have yet to meet someone that is clued up enough to change a part in their PC, yet not clued up enough to check out reviews online first.

I agree that it is a largely unnecessary change, but it does have some logic behind it. And at the end of the day, every corporation is out there to make as much money as possible, and there are no morals in business, so if they do it by picking random numbers to confuse people, well so be it. Hopefully we can remain ahead of the game.

BraveSoulhey gumpty, if ur main computer use revolved around gaming, would it be better to get (i5 760 + mobo + RAM + GPU), or leave system as is, but get a more powerful 6900 series gpu? just wondering,, i myslef been using phenomIIx4 940 at 3.6ghz for almost 2 years now,,thinking of similar semi-new build, but how much of an improvement is i5 over 3ghz+ phenomIIx4 or q6600

These are very good questions, but off topic so I'll be brief. Wanted to go AMD but performance/watt is not as good as Intel at the £150 price-point. Upgrading cause for some reason I can't get my Q6600 to overclock anymore. The new GPU wont be a huge upgrade in terms of performance, but will hopefully be more power-efficient and smaller (small case).

Looks like a pretty good refresh, nothing to go crazy over imo.

Still waiting for performance numbers for these cards though.

MagikherbsAny news on how the 6000's will fold ?

i was wondering the same thing,

btarunrfrom earlier reports we're lead to believe that these stream cores are individually more complex than AMD's traditional 5D (4 simple 1 complex)

maybe 6800's more complex shaders will change things in the folding world, as in better folding performance for radeon cards
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BenetanegiaNot according to Steam survey. They are doing quite well lately. You have to take into account that Fermi is relatively new. You need some months until you get enough market penetration and mainstream recognition. Evergreen didn't really start selling well until 3-6 months after release.

img.techpowerup.org/101014/steamhwdx11.jpg

GTX480, 470, 465 and 460 all of them compete against the 5800 series. The combined DX11 share for GTX460-to-480 is 15,72% against 31.13% for HD5800. Twice the number of cards for twice the amount of time in the market. Thanks to GTX460 that will only raise in Nvidia's favor in October, most probably.

hmm thats quite true GTX 460 was the "perfect fermi" but its still not an high end card, and with this bart and cayman maybe it will be decline again, and AMD will have the full line up in steam?

Tatty_OneOhhhh Noes my "troll" sensor has just gone off :rolleyes:

mine broke as soon as I entered this thread. I wasn't even to this page and it hit with such force that the needle cut my hand on its way back around :cry: