Monday, December 13th 2010

PowerColor Radeon HD 6970 Pictured

With its launch not too far, AMD partners are busy sending their Radeon HD 6970 samples to reviews. It is inevitable then, that some would actually post pictures of those on the web ahead of launch. Some such pictures made it to HardwareLuxx.de, which shows PowerColor Radeon HD 6970 in fresh out of its retail box. The card, and the box itself, reveal quite a bit about the HD 6970. To begin with, Radeon HD 6970 (and HD 6950), are high-end single GPU graphics cards based on AMD's new "Cayman" high-end GPU. The HD 6970 is about as long as a Radeon HD 5870 (which it's intended to replace), and retains product design carried forward from the HD 6800 series graphics cards.

The HD 6970 from PowerColor sports 2 GB of GDDR5 memory, perhaps some of the memory chips are located on the reverse side of the PCB, which is why a back-plate is used to cool them. The top side of the card reveals the power connectors: one 8-pin, and a 6-pin PCI-E power; two CrossFire bridge fingers, and a tiny switch. It is rumored that this switch lets users select between two BIOS ROM chips present on the cards; one chip is programmable, and partners can store an overclocked profile, while the other is not programmable, and stores the AMD reference profile. It gives users a nice fallback in case they brick the card with a bad BIOS.

Another revelation is that HD 6970 supports an updated AMD Eyefinity feature set that lets users connect four displays to the card (instead of three on the previous generation non-Eyefinity6 cards). Display connectivity includes two DVI, one HDMI 1.4a, and two DisplayPort 1.2. PowerColor's HD 6970 should be out by mid-December (in this week).Source: HardwareLuxx.de
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125 Comments on PowerColor Radeon HD 6970 Pictured

#1
crow1001
It will be over $150 cheaper than the cheapest 580.
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#2
mdsx1950
by: Red_Machine
I knew the 6970 wouldn't beat the 580.
Proof? :shadedshu
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#3
the54thvoid
The guy at OcUK (Gibbo) is inferring it will be substantially cheaper and readily available. I've said since launch that the 580 is pretty rare. I hope we see more but at the moment, it's in very limited supply.

All that said, I wanted something to replace my 5850's and it's looking more and more likely it'll be NV as an overclocked 580 gets close/beats a 5970.

Though since i changed my case my 5850's stay cooler and quieter when flat out. Maybe i should wait.....

And it's not a 'fail' if it achieves AMD's goal. It's only us idiots that have hyped things so much we lose track of what good value and performance 'most' consumers want.
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#4
phanbuey
by: bear jesus
But only for those who expected too much :laugh:

As long as it's cheaper and preferably uses less power than the 580 then it hits an acceptable place in the market as it will sit in the position the 5870 and 4870 did in past generations.
yes and no. The 5870 was king of the hill for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNGGGGG time. It is only recently that it sits below a better card. For most of its life, the 5870 was up against the 285, which it butchered in terms of features and performance.

Also, the 4870 was over 2x the speed of the 3870 and the 5870 was damn close to 2x the 4870. If the 6970 is too far off the generational improvement will be much smaller. It looks like a 30% increase on average over the 5870, which nixes any leadership that AMD worked so hard to gain...
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#5
largon
Looks like the situation will be pretty much equal to pre-GTX580-launch era.
nV has the fastest single GPU but AMD owns perf/$ and perf/W.

And I think AMD being able to tweak Cypress -> Cayman and gain such boosts with minimal die size increase is actually an impressive feat compared to nV jury-riggin' GF100 -> GF110.
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#6
phanbuey
by: largon
Looks like the situation will be pretty much equal to pre-GTX580-launch era.
nV has the fastest single GPU but AMD owns perf/$ and perf/W.

And I think AMD being able to tweak Cypress -> Cayman and gain such boosts with minimal die size increase is actually an impressive feat compared to nV jury-riggin' GF100 -> GF110.
yes but fermi is not as old as Cypress, as far as actual mass-implementation so I feel like AMD has also had alot more time than GF100-GF110. Then again this could all be for nothing since we dont actually have drivers yet.
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#7
niko084
by: DanishDevil
I can live with my reference 6870, but I'd much rather have something quieter under load.
Tis why we invented water blocks :p

Lets give up the Nvidia VS Ati trash for one thread maybe?
Last I checked the title didn't say 6970 vs 580 benchmarks!
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#8
largon
by: phanbuey
yes but fermi is not as old as Cypress, as far as actual mass-implementation so I feel like AMD has also had alot more time than GF100-GF110.
nV had to spin GF100 three times (A3) before retailing it so that means something like a 6 month delay. There goes the time difference.
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#9
Wile E
Power User
I was hoping for a bigger leap from the 5870. I will reserve judgment until the TPU benches release.
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#10
N3M3515
OH MY god....
Why are people so f***ing stupid? doesn't anyone READ?

1. 6900's series is not a f***ing new generation, it's the SAME 40nm!!!, don't dream with 80% leaps!! IT'S A REFRESH!

2. FAIL????......omfg......FYI AMD/ATI every new iteration, closes the gap to nvidia!
HD3850 < HD3870 < 8800GT < 8800GTX
HD4850 < GTX260 = HD4870 < GTX280
HD5850 < GTX470 < HD5870 < GTX480
HD6950 <= GTX570 < HD6970 <= GTX580 (acording to leaks)

GET IT??

PD: 1536 shaders and almost equal perf than GTX580!! Bravo AMD!
PD2: could it mean they plan to release a 1920sp refresh part? who knows!, maybe it beats GTX580!!, maybe nv has a refresh planned aswell! (maybe overclocked because fermi's max shaders are 512)
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#11
niko084
by: N3M3515

PD: 1536 shaders and almost equal perf than GTX580!! Bravo AMD!
PD2: could it mean they plan to release a 1920sp refresh part? who knows!, maybe it beats GTX580!!, maybe nv has a refresh planned aswell! (maybe overclocked because fermi's max shaders are 512)
Well before you start going into a tyrant let me inform you that the entire shader design between ATI and Nvidia are totally different.

And yes, they probably will not see a huge performance difference, just some baseline design tweaks, which are indeed helpful.

Lastly considering the release date of the GTX580, a refresh will not be coming for at least 6-12 months, if they even do one, by then ATI will most likely be ready with their next either refresh or design.
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#12
wolf
Performance Enthusiast
dual chip cards from both camps coming soon, thats a beast waiting to happen.

even if its only a dual GF104, that's going to be one frikken potent card. also very keen to see what AMD pull out in the way of a dual cayman.
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N3M3515
by: niko084
Well before you start going into a tyrant let me inform you that the entire shader design between ATI and Nvidia are totally different.

And yes, they probably will not see a huge performance difference, just some baseline design tweaks, which are indeed helpful.

Lastly considering the release date of the GTX580, a refresh will not be coming for at least 6-12 months, if they even do one, by then ATI will most likely be ready with their next either refresh or design.
Don't get me wrong, i was not being sarcastic about the 1536 shaders, bravo amd for making a gpu with less shaders than the 5870 and making it almost equal in perf to the GTX 580.

Also, what everyone fails to see is that the jump from hd5870 to hd6970 is bigger than gtx480 to gtx580, again, acording to benchmark leaks.
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#14
crow1001
Yeah that jump is because the 5870 tessellation capabilities sucked ass, the 6970 corrects this but still it sucks in less tessellated games, for a card thats come out 15 months after the 5870, it's crap performance which the reviews will show. AMD are pricing this card way below the 580 because it does not compete.
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#15
N3M3515
I don't know how to explain it for you to understand my friend....it's FOURTY nm!!! 40!! what did you expected??? 50% over 5870??? dreamer!, and it's closer to the gtx580 than 5870 ever was to gtx480.
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#16
bear jesus
by: crow1001
Yeah that jump is because the 5870 tessellation capabilities sucked ass, the 6970 corrects this but still it sucks in less tessellated games, for a card thats come out 15 months after the 5870, it's crap performance which the reviews will show. AMD are pricing this card way below the 580 because it does not compete.
Could you direct the rest of us to this official information you must be quoting? :p

Can't everyone just wait until the official reviews before saying how crappy and fail the 69xx cards are, I'm not saying they won't be but it would be nice for people to give exact examples of why they are so bad :laugh:
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#17
crow1001
Check the reviews out, 480/570 performance and it will win some and lose some, considering the 5870 was never that far behind a 480 it's pathetic, but I'll let the reviews do the talking.

And you can cry 40nm all you want, the 6870 with a lot less SPs than a 5870 is almost on par with it, 40nm didn't hold that back.
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#18
bear jesus
by: crow1001
Check the reviews out, 480/570 performance and it will win some and lose some, considering the 5870 was never that far behind a 480 it's pathetic, but I'll let the reviews do the talking.

And you can cry 40nm all you want, the 6870 with a lot less SP's than a 5870 is almost on par with it, 40nm didn't hold that back.
What reviews? :p
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N3M3515
by: crow1001
Check the reviews out, 480/570 performance and it will win some and lose some, considering the 5870 was never that far behind a 480 it's pathetic, but I'll let the reviews do the talking.

And you can cry 40nm all you want, the 6870 with a lot less SP's than a 5870 is almost on par with it, 40nm didn't hold that back.
You are the one whining, i don't care if it doesnt beat the gtx 580 i do care about price/performance ratio. that's what's important.

MAYBE a 1920sp refresh part will beat the gtx580, but i don't think nv won't do anything about it.
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#20
Red_Machine
by: N3M3515
I don't know how to explain it for you to understand my friend....it's FOURTY nm!!! 40!! what did you expected??? 50% over 5870??? dreamer!, and it's closer to the gtx580 than 5870 ever was to gtx480.
Please don't capitalise and overuse exclamation marks and question marks. It's rather annoying, not to mention rude.
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#21
wahdangun
wow the fanboy wars really intense in every tech forum, can AMD release the card faster, because its look like it gonna be have a lot casualties from both side :cry:
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#22
mdsx1950
The only way to end the war is the benchmarks.
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#23
Delta6326
when does nda end? or what ever its called
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#24
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
by: Delta6326
when does nda end? or what ever its called
Sometime tomorrow (12/15).
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#25
pr0n Inspector
by: mdsx1950
The only way to end the war is the benchmarks.
That would only end a battle. The war never ends.
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