Thursday, January 13th 2011

Bulldozer 50% Faster than Core i7 and Phenom II

Here, take some salt. AMD reportedly gave out performance figures in a presentation to its partners, performance figures seen by DonanimHaber. It is reported that an 8-core processor based on the "Bulldozer" high-performance CPU architecture is pitched by its makers to have 50% higher performance than existing processors such as the Core i7 950 (4 cores, 8 threads), and Phenom II X6 1100T (6 cores). Very little is known about the processor, including at what clock speed the processor was running at, much less what other components were driving the test machine.

Taking this information into account, the said Bulldozer based processor should synthetically even outperform Core i7 980X six-core, Intel's fastest desktop processor in the market. Built from ground-up, the Bulldozer architecture focuses on greater inter-core communication and reconfigured ALU/FPU to achieve higher instructions per clock cycle (IPC) compared to the previous generation K10.5, on which its current Phenom II series processors are based. The processor is backed by new 9-series core logic, and a new AM3+ socket. AMD is expected to unveil this platform a little later this year.Source: DonanimHaber
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424 Comments on Bulldozer 50% Faster than Core i7 and Phenom II

#2
amd64skater
i bet they mean its 50% faster than anything current on the market but when it comes out it will be par with intel or slower
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#3
Omega
It's unenviable to see this volume of discussion based on marketing number, and to see so many people holding on to that 50% number like hyena on a rotten bone.

Guys, we can't possibly know what they meant with that message they sent out to public. As far as I see it, it's got nothing with revealing true bulldozer performance, just pure marketing. A weapon used to start discussions like this one here, to get the people interested and program in their brains that bulldozer is coming, soon.

But if you read between lines, I'd say AMD has a good product coming. Think about it... one of biggest issue with AMD products has been lack of marketing, and when there was some, it was too passive and Intel marketing guys would run them over even if they had something inferior to work with.

So to see AMD stand up and say "Yes! We've got a fast product!" is a great thing all by itself, regardless how fast that product is. It means they are finally building up the confidence and spine to stand up to Intel who's been dominating the scene for the past few years, and we would all benefit from a few changes here and there.
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#4
Over_Lord
News Editor
by: Imsochobo
Die comparison is not applicable here.
Far from it.
Addin chipset DIE size, intel have interigated for PCI-E and interlink between cpu and NB SB, how this is done when its interigated I dunno, but atleast its in the cpu.
Graphics...

Graphics is a feature that comes to amd bulldozer cpu's sometime in H2 2012 (Correct me if i'm wrong..) meaning they do not have 128-190 million transistors or whatever SB have just for its graphics.
depending on if its 2 or 3 series.. not very accurate numbers i come up with here, but its the point..
Bulldozer is most likely bigger if we look at your numbers and take a very rough estimate, but direct comparison isnt possible due to same components isnt included.
well if AMD chips dont have the SB and all, we can be ready for an even smaller die size??? No wonder AMD are planning native 16 cores on Bulldozer
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#5
JF-AMD
AMD Rep (Server)
by: Omega
It's unenviable to see this volume of discussion based on marketing number, and to see so many people holding on to that 50% number like hyena on a rotten bone.

Guys, we can't possibly know what they meant with that message they sent out to public. As far as I see it, it's got nothing with revealing true bulldozer performance, just pure marketing. A weapon used to start discussions like this one here, to get the people interested and program in their brains that bulldozer is coming, soon.

But if you read between lines, I'd say AMD has a good product coming. Think about it... one of biggest issue with AMD products has been lack of marketing, and when there was some, it was too passive and Intel marketing guys would run them over even if they had something inferior to work with.

So to see AMD stand up and say "Yes! We've got a fast product!" is a great thing all by itself, regardless how fast that product is. It means they are finally building up the confidence and spine to stand up to Intel who's been dominating the scene for the past few years, and we would all benefit from a few changes here and there.
This is not marketing. Marketing comes from AMD. This did not come from AMD.
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#6
TheMailMan78
Banstick Dummy
by: JF-AMD
This is not marketing. Marketing comes from AMD. This did not come from AMD.
These numbers are FUD. However they are fun to talk about in a sane world.
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#7
bear jesus
by: TheMailMan78
These numbers are FUD. However they are fun to talk about in a sane world.
I think that's what we all want right now, we can't have reviews or products to buy so we just want to talk about it to pass the time until it gets here.
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#8
Omega
Every info has a source... how can you be sure someone at AMD didn't receive a task to spread some gossip trough known channels that deal with those things?
If i were that person, I sure as hell wouldn't pass that info to say TPU without any proof for numbers, cause it wouldn't be published.
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#9
TheMailMan78
Banstick Dummy
by: Omega
Every info has a source... how can you be sure someone at AMD didn't receive a task to spread some gossip trough known channels that deal with those things?
If i were that person, I sure as hell wouldn't pass that info to say TPU without any proof for numbers, cause it wouldn't be published.
Dude people publish crap all the time that isn't true. Why do you think the tabloids are so popular. Shock sells.

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#10
Omega
True.
But from past experience, lots of that crap turns out to be true when that product is launched.
I'm not saying that this info is true or bs, I'm just saying it's better for us that they're writing in positive way, rather than negative.
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#11
yogurt_21
wait for the benchies.

I fear that bulldozer will be quite a bit fater than current amd chips, but like the 69XX series will be crushed by the even higher expectations placed on it by bad marketing. So the launch will be deemed a failure despite having a nice boost over previous gens.
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#12
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
by: alexsubri
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4038/4579463630_58538e9f92.jpg

I believe that it will be 50% faster. Just think about it, Intel has been dominating for a while now, I would say since Core 2 Duo came out. That has given AMD enough time to reconstruct their architecture for the new Bulldozer Processor. Just remember who was king of the hill back then (2006) It was the AMD Anthlon64 FX. I believe their flagship processor was around $750-$800. That said AMD has been giving us hints (FX coming back, 50% Rumor, APU, etc...) so it's safe to say that AMD know's what they are doing and will bounce back. My only concern is paying $700-$800 for their enthusiast processor. I wouldn't mind playing $500, but I can pipe dream :) ...I wouldn't be surprised if Bulldozer's Enthusiast chip is factory clocked at 3.8-4.0 ghz
But they aren't saying it will be 50% faster than Intel's offerings at the time of release, they are saying it will be 50% faster than Intel's current offering now, and not even 50% faster than Intel's high end offering only 50% faster than Intel's mid-range 4-core offerings. According to AMD it only beats the 6-core offerings synthetically. Meaning in everything real world use, AMD's next generation Bulldozer 8-core processor doesn't outperform Intels 6-core current generation...

I hate to say it, but Bulldozer is not the processor that will put AMD back on top.

by: amd64skater
i bet they mean its 50% faster than anything current on the market but when it comes out it will be par with intel or slower
That is exactly what they said, no "mean" about it. In fact they said 50% faster than Intel's 4-core processors(the article says 50% faster than a i7 950), it just barely beats the current 6-cores on the market.
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#13
Over_Lord
News Editor
well, a TURKISH site says it's 50% faster than Core i7 950

Now the Core i5 2300 2.8GHz gives equal or more performance than Core i7 950
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#14
kirtar
by: newtekie1
According to AMD it only beats the 6-core offerings synthetically. Meaning in everything real world use, AMD's next generation Bulldozer 8-core processor doesn't outperform Intels 6-core current generation...
Please don't make JF-AMD say it again. AMD is not saying anything apart from what I remember to be a fairly superficial comparison of Interlagos to Magny-Cours.
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#15
jmcslob
//rant//

Ive pretty much been an AMD Fanboi due to Intel's ridiculous amount of Platform changes However AMDs best chips are competing with stuff Intel released 2 years ago and now to go forward with AMD you have to go to a new Platform...

Yes you can use AM3 cpus on a AM3+ board but as far as Ive seen there isn't any other reason to upgrade to an AM3+ board unless your buying a AM3+ cpu.

So unless AMD can give some type of reason not to switch brands and fast as you have to do a Platform change I can't see any reason to stick with them...

As of now Intel has the best bang for the buck......

AMD needs to get something out and SOON or at the very least they need to get some samples out for review...


//end rant//
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#16
JF-AMD
AMD Rep (Server)
by: Omega
Every info has a source... how can you be sure someone at AMD didn't receive a task to spread some gossip trough known channels that deal with those things?
If i were that person, I sure as hell wouldn't pass that info to say TPU without any proof for numbers, cause it wouldn't be published.
A. I don't leak data, nor would I approve a leak.

B. We are in quiet period so releasing data about upcoming products would be forbidden.
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#17
HalfAHertz
by: JF-AMD
A. I don't leak data, nor would I approve a leak.

B. We are in quiet period so releasing data about upcoming products would be forbidden.
Is this the same quiet period as with the first phenoms? :(

Don't get me wrong the K10 core was not bad, it had a 15-20% advantage over K8 at the same clock but it was just poorly implemented (big die for 65nm, lots of transistor leakage, weak OC-er TLB bug) and couldn't compete. I sure hope we're not in for another Phenom and that GloFo's 32nm process is healthy.
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#18
bear jesus
I assumed quiet period was meant as in it's too far from the launch to really start hyping it and the basic information is out there so its just time to wait until marketing ramps up before the chip and platform release.
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#19

when is the release date?!?
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#20
bear jesus
The only things i have read about the release date is first half of this year and I'm sure i have seen the second quarter mentioned somewhere, i don't think a specific date has been released yet.
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#21
alexsubri
by: TAViX
when is the release date?!?
Sometime in Feb
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#22
JF-AMD
AMD Rep (Server)
Q2 for client, Q3 for server. It is in my blogs.
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#23
Bo$$
by: JF-AMD
Q2 for client, Q3 for server. It is in my blogs.
are these performance increase a average or a specific task?
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#24
Aleksander
That is in my brain server too :P
Benches!!!!!! PLSSSSSSS!!!!!
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#25
Loosenut
by: jmcslob
//rant//

Ive pretty much been an AMD Fanboi due to Intel's ridiculous amount of Platform changes However AMDs best chips are competing with stuff Intel released 2 years ago and now to go forward with AMD you have to go to a new Platform...

Yes you can use AM3 cpus on a AM3+ board but as far as Ive seen there isn't any other reason to upgrade to an AM3+ board unless your buying a AM3+ cpu.

So unless AMD can give some type of reason not to switch brands and fast as you have to do a Platform change I can't see any reason to stick with them...

As of now Intel has the best bang for the buck......

AMD needs to get something out and SOON or at the very least they need to get some samples out for review...


//end rant//
I'm sorry but I must disagree with you on that one.

If you're low on funds as I am but would like to upgrade, this is perfect. I can now buy an AM3+ board to use my current cpu and later when more funds become available, get Bulldozer
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