Monday, August 22nd 2011

Gamescom News Post Rekindles GTX 590 Successor Rumors

When NVIDIA responded to AMD's Radeon HD 6990 dual-GPU graphics cards with a dual-GPU card of its own, the GeForce GTX 590, it ended up with a disputable performance lead, enough for both GPU vendors to claim that theirs is the fastest graphics card in the market, backed by reviews or specific tests that suit them. There really is no answer to what is the fastest reference-design graphics card that commands a three-figure price. There have been rumors that NVIDIA is planning to address this with a new dual-GPU graphics card. An older report called the new card a mere revision of the GTX 590, though it's now emerging that the new card could get a new SKU name.

A Slovenian gaming news site that looked into some of the PCs running Battlefield 3 at Gamescom mentioned the name "GTX 595". This couldn't have been in error, because the site goes on to mention that the GTX 595 is "a dual-GPU card that is not yet out," adding that "NVIDIA provide[ed] special drivers for EA gamescom to improve a little gaming experience (and probably reduce bugs )." Those could have been early drivers that can run the card. According to older reports, the idea behind GTX 595 (as it's now being referred to), is to strengthen the VRM circuitry of GTX 590, to perhaps facilitate higher clock speeds, and try to create a clear performance lead over Radeon HD 6990. Nothing else is known about the GTX 595 at this point. In our opinion, Battlefield 3 launch (late October) could serve as a good launchpad for a new high-end SKU.

Source: Somua
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26 Comments on Gamescom News Post Rekindles GTX 590 Successor Rumors

#1
Delta6326
Sounds interesting hope it drives some prices down:rolleyes:
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#3
Flibolito
If these can handle more than 900 MHz core without overheating it would be sweet. If the VRM is strong enough this card would take the crown most likely until next gen. the VRM weakness turned me off on the 590 since I love to OC and there is a lot of performance to be had by doing so on modern videocards. This with a waterblock on it would be a crazy BF3 card.
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#4
mamisano
Wow, just in time for Radeon 7000 to be released. Coincidence???
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#5
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
Hopefully they will be able to get stock GTX580 clocks, though the thermal solution might be the limitting factor at that point, not the PCB design.

by: Delta6326
Sounds interesting hope it drives some prices down:rolleyes:
Saddly, they'll probably just release it at a ridiculous price point and it won't have any affect on prices of other cards.:shadedshu
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#7
NC37
by: mamisano
Wow, just in time for Radeon 7000 to be released. Coincidence???
Nooooo...too many memories of people thinking 7000 was better before they found out it was missing a T&L unit!! Oh the horrors of ATI's old days of releasing great products and then following up with weakened products just to cut production costs thinking no one would notice!!

7200->7000, 8500->9000, 9000->9200...and others. Hopefully they won't repeat those days.

Having to use a 595 to showcase does concern me about performance of BF3. If it really needs that much then it could be rough on other cards.
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#8
Completely Bonkers
I'll get excited when ATI or nV announce an enthusiast GPU under 100W at load. I personally am not interested in a paint-stripper in my PC.
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#9
Hayder_Master
Like when they release first GTX 295 dual pcb sandwich and after that they fix it, i just want to ask NVIDIA why didn't test them products well before throw them in the markets.
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#10
mtosev
by: mamisano
Wow, just in time for Radeon 7000 to be released. Coincidence???
I think that AMDs 7990 will be released before nvidia releases gtx 595:laugh:
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#11
the54thvoid
Eh?

Eh?

What?

Asus Mars II 580 is a dual 580 at (10MHz over) stock 580 speeds. How the flying fucksicles is a gtx 595 going to manage what Asus have done with a £1100 card?

If they get a 595 at 580 clocks and everything else intact it's going to make Asus look like a bunch of clowns. Frankly, I don't believe it. Maybe a slight jump from the 590 speeds but no way 580 speeds.
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#12
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
by: Hayder_Master
Like when they release first GTX 295 dual pcb sandwich and after that they fix it, i just want to ask NVIDIA why didn't test them products well before throw them in the markets.
I'll take the sandwich style over the single PCB any day. I hardly consider cost cutting and a weaker PWM design "fixing" anything.
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#13
arnoo1
if you ask me it's pretty useless to make a new revision, the 600 series will come somewhere next year atleast it's useless if it 600euro like the first one is
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#14
btarunr
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by: the54thvoid
Eh?

Eh?

What?

Asus Mars II 580 is a dual 580 at (10MHz over) stock 580 speeds. How the flying fucksicles is a gtx 595 going to manage what Asus have done with a £1100 card?

If they get a 595 at 580 clocks and everything else intact it's going to make Asus look like a bunch of clowns. Frankly, I don't believe it. Maybe a slight jump from the 590 speeds but no way 580 speeds.
ASUS used exotic components, and a lot of features that are otherwise useless to a reference design card. MARS II's cooling solution itself runs into hundreds of dollars, there's lavish use of proadlizers, redundant voltage circuits, and so on.

NVIDIA has been very good with its component choices on high-end cards. Compared to AMD, which traditionally uses expensive Volterra + CPL PWM circuits, NV stuck to simpler, effective (and durable) solutions. GTX 590 is the only case where it backfired, but that's only in the case of overvolted cards.

My point is, don't be surprised if NV comes up with a $800 answer to MARS II (at least in terms of performance out of the box), and which is available across the board with all AIC partners.
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the54thvoid
by: btarunr
My point is, don't be surprised if NV comes up with a $800 answer to MARS II (at least in terms of performance out of the box), and which is available across the board with all AIC partners.
It would still suck a mountain of power though, wouldn't it? And then the heat, and noise. Don't get me wrong, I love when Nvidia turn things around (480 into 580 as an example) but I just can't see it being a 'nice' card. It'd be like taking that beautiful but ultimately very dirty looking girlfriend back home to meet the parents and you just know they're thinking, "she's a hooker". The 595 is going to be a dirty hooker alright.
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#16
STCNE
by: btarunr
ASUS used exotic components, and a lot of features that are otherwise useless to a reference design card. MARS II's cooling solution itself runs into hundreds of dollars, there's lavish use of proadlizers, redundant voltage circuits, and so on.

NVIDIA has been very good with its component choices on high-end cards. Compared to AMD, which traditionally uses expensive Volterra + CPL PWM circuits, NV stuck to simpler, effective (and durable) solutions. GTX 590 is the only case where it backfired, but that's only in the case of overvolted cards.

My point is, don't be surprised if NV comes up with a $800 answer to MARS II (at least in terms of performance out of the box), and which is available across the board with all AIC partners.
Forgetting about the 570s? Anyway this is kind of funny, NVIDIA said there would be no 590 revision, they didn't say anything about there not being a 595 :p
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#17
EastCoasthandle
by: STCNE
Forgetting about the 570s? Anyway this is kind of funny, NVIDIA said there would be no 590 revision, they didn't say anything about there not being a 595 :p
I thought they said no new revisions. Hmm, I have to wonder if their next series of cards will be released in Q3 or Q4 2012...
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#18
MxPhenom 216
Corsair Fanboy
nvidia: if you give use like 8+2 phase power for each GPU that would be awesome, and better clocks. 750mhz on each core would be great with some overclocking headroom
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#19
H82LUZ73
by: NC37
Nooooo...too many memories of people thinking 7000 was better before they found out it was missing a T&L unit!! Oh the horrors of ATI's old days of releasing great products and then following up with weakened products just to cut production costs thinking no one would notice!!

7200->7000, 8500->9000, 9000->9200...and others. Hopefully they won't repeat those days.

Having to use a 595 to showcase does concern me about performance of BF3. If it really needs that much then it could be rough on other cards.
That was ATI it is now known as AMD, So i don`t see them doing that.You would think after 2 years of AMD named cards some people would notice that the last remnants of ATI`s name was the crossfire logo in the drivers(right click ccc icon in task bar select enable crossfire logo ) it will Say AMD crossfire and be small grey logo.

BF3 played really better on AMD cards :)
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#20
NC37
by: Hayder_Master
Like when they release first GTX 295 dual pcb sandwich and after that they fix it, i just want to ask NVIDIA why didn't test them products well before throw them in the markets.
Its often for either side to release cards in a hurry. Whatever they can do to maintain a performance lead in some way. You'd think they'd test more but they can't really test for every type of PC build out there.
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#21
BorgOvermind
The Radeon is better then that 590 because it wins at higher res, where the 590 wins al lower res. Given that they are uber-top cards, higer res is relevant. The status quo is good and if nV tries to mess it up with a 3rd patching of the same thing it will end probably up with another 'surprise'.
@ NC37, you're kind of right. the 7000 had no T&L. The 7200 was actually the original authentic Radeon card, only with updated naming. But the 9000 and 9200 as far as I recall they were pretty much identical (the non-SE version I mean).
Getting back to the main issue: it's too bad that most but specially nV try to get that extra 5% just to be on top while the quality of the products is suffering a lot.
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#22
Red_Machine
by: NC37
Nooooo...too many memories of people thinking 7000 was better before they found out it was missing a T&L unit!! Oh the horrors of ATI's old days of releasing great products and then following up with weakened products just to cut production costs thinking no one would notice!!

7200->7000, 8500->9000, 9000->9200...and others. Hopefully they won't repeat those days.
THANK YOU. Finally somebody else who notices the repeat in product numbers!
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#23
eidairaman1
by: Delta6326
Sounds interesting hope it drives some prices down:rolleyes:
wouldnt drive em down far enough to one of these or the 6990
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#24
Animalpak
yeah and play at 1920x1080... pretty useless...
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