Tuesday, September 20th 2011

Duke Nukem Forever Feedback Survey: Where Did We Go So wrong?

Highly anticipated for 14 years and becoming the most infamous vapourware ever, Duke Nukem Forever unfortunately was met with widespread derision and ridicule on release in June. Many reviews gave it around 40% or less, accusing it of being a 90s throwback and made in very bad taste. Not everybody hated it though and it has some loyal fans. So, Gearbox, priding itself on listening to its customers, has set up an online feedback survey and wants to honestly, truly know what you think of it (assuming its servers survive the heat of all those flames of course, which isn't guaranteed at all). This is especially important for Gearbox, as it's going to release a sequel and wants to ensure its customers like it (and rather more importantly, buy it).


The survey starts off like this:
Hello,

This is a survey for Duke Nukem Forever. Gearbox prides itself in listening to the community, and this is your chance to tell us how you feel about Duke Nukem Forever. You may participate in this survey if you have played or have not played Duke Nukem Forever. Please answer the following questions.
I hope this doesn't mean it ends up watered down and made politically correct. It had some wonderfully politically incorrect humour in it which I would like to see preserved in the sequel.Source: Reg Hardware
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45 Comments on Duke Nukem Forever Feedback Survey: Where Did We Go So wrong?

#1
NC37
They didn't go wrong with it. They just touched up an old game and released it. I'm glad they did. ADD kids couldn't understand why it wasn't Halo or CoD and raged. Personally, I enjoyed it. Took me back to the classic days of Duke.

Thumbs up on the politically incorrect humor...I missed it so much. Duke is still the king.
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#2
Lionheart
Lol "Where did we go wrong"

It took 12yrs:rolleyes:
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#3
random
Sadly after finishing the game I still would much prefer playing Duke Nukem 3D again instead of DNF.
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#4
Mussels
Moderprator
i still havent played DNF, all the hate turned me off trying.
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#5
pr0n Inspector
by: NC37
They didn't go wrong with it. They just touched up an old game and released it. I'm glad they did. ADD kids couldn't understand why it wasn't Halo or CoD and raged. Personally, I enjoyed it. Took me back to the classic days of Duke.

Thumbs up on the politically incorrect humor...I missed it so much. Duke is still the king.
Guess what? A 30-year-old used to be an ADD kid in the 90s. But then he grew up and couldn't laugh at retarded jokes anymore. Nor can he tolerate shitty gameplay.
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#6
bear jesus
I took this survey and the questions make me think they are asking more about what they should do with duke in the future.

I was one of the people who played it and really enjoyed it despite the negative aspects (although i played on PC so long load times, low frame rates etc were not present like they apparently were for the consoles), i really hope that this survey could help gearbox make better DLC or make a much much better duke game themselves.
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#7
Makaveli
by: pr0n Inspector
Guess what? A 30-year-old used to be an ADD kids in the 90s. But then he grew up and couldn't laugh at retarded jokes anymore. Nor can he tolerate shitty gameplay.
Think you pretty much nailed it, they tried to release the same game, except the target audience is now 30 and no longer 16. They did nothing to make it fresh and somewhat original something the first game did.

If they intend to release another they need to go back and play the first game see what made it fun to play and not copy but update it for today's world and add something fresh to it.

There isn't enough die hard duke fans left to make the title alone profitable.
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#8
jamsbong
After such a long hype (12 years), DNF has been a terrible disappointment. after I played through the 1st level, I've got sick of it and uninstalled the game. It is a just a basic game that felt like a few months job (not 12 years). The game is not polished, not properly thought through, movement and framerate is not smooth. It feels so amateurish.
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#9
Damn_Smooth
by: pr0n Inspector
Guess what? A 30-year-old used to be an ADD kids in the 90s. But then he grew up and couldn't laugh at retarded jokes anymore. Nor can he tolerate shitty gameplay.
by: Makaveli
Think you pretty much nailed it, they tried to release the same game, except the target audience is now 30 and no longer 16. They did nothing to make it fresh and somewhat original something the first game did.

If they intend to release another they need to go back and play the first game see what made it fun to play and not copy but update it for today's world and add something fresh to it.

There isn't enough die hard duke fans left to make the title alone profitable.
Ok, we have a guy with.... I don't know what the hell it is, for an avatar and another guy with Superman, complaining about maturity.

I am about as far from mature as you can get, but even I see the irony in that.
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#10
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
by: Mussels
i still havent played DNF, all the hate turned me off trying.
You should try it. It's a very good (not great) game. If you like cheeky un-PC humour, this is the game for you. Heck, it won't bite to try it, lol. :)

Just give it five minutes and you'll get the feel of it.
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#11
pr0n Inspector
by: Damn_Smooth
Ok, we have a guy with.... I don't know what the hell it is, for an avatar and another guy with Superman, complaining about maturity.

I am about as far from mature as you can get, but even I see the irony in that.
Thank you for demonstrating argumentum ad hominem.
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#12
bucketface
"where did we go wrong?" where do i start?
the health system, if it's a pride metere then doing things that increase dukes pride increase health. hiding behind cover should not be one of these.
if your going to make an "old school" style game then keep the "old school" elements such as carrying lots of weapons, running and gunning, etc.
the humour was good in places and awful in others.
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#13
Damn_Smooth
by: pr0n Inspector
Thank you for demonstrating argumentum ad hominem.
That's a little outside my very limited understanding of Latin, but you are very much welcome. :toast:
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#14
Jstn7477
For one, they could have left out AMD Dual Core Optimizer that I bet tons of people unknowingly have installed on their AMD OR Intel machines and reducing their performance.

Other than that, the game just seems to be totally different from the style of D3D where you ran around the whole time with your 2D sprite weapons killing the 2D sprite enemies, finding keys and secrets and eventually the end of the level.
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#15
KieranD
Irks me that you mention the "reviews" from tpu users and plug yourself rather than just tell us the news. Qubit your supposed to report on something not interject your opinion. If you want to give an opinion fine but at least dont do it in the actual news post.

I dont think it was a good game at all as far as gameplay goes. Why is Forever so stop and shoot? Also you basically have a halo style shield which is stupid since they mock Halo. Shooting mechanics SUCK. There are parts of levels that are just there to extend the length of the game. Far too linear and scripted, which isn't normally a problem but the scripted events are right out of the late 90s. Basically if you like the humour i flat out facepalm its not funny because its non-politically correct it just doesn't make sense at all. Bulletstorm had lots of "dick jokes" but they where nonsensical and thus funny and the fact they where inoffensive and where not there to insult anyone. Bulletstorm wasn't amazing it was just decent but it was worth a playthrough Forever on the other hand no just wait for the Duke Nukem 3D remake.

EDIT: My main problem is i found the singleplayer boring, felt like i was forcing my self to play it. Games dont need to have masterpiece stories and dynamic experiences, sometimes all i want is a game that i can play that is interesting and compels me to keep playing but Forever never had any reason to play there was no gameplay that made me feel like i wanted to play on no story or great design that i was like i must continue this game, the another turn syndrome was foreign or rather alien to this game.
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#16
Trigger911
I honestly liked it the puns sucked but the game play was there for the most part i just didnt like the halo health i miss the old school sitting on 1-6hp and finding a med pack .... that was crazy fun
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#17
Abe504
well considering i got it for $10 bucks, the game isn't half bad. of course 12 years of waiting makes people think its a masterpiece coming out, but it wasn't as bad as people said. Id give it a solid C, nothing too flashy or memorable but the ride is fun
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#18
1Kurgan1
The Knife in your Back
by: Lionheart
Lol "Where did we go wrong"

It took 12yrs:rolleyes:
It didn't take them 12 years, they didn't make the game, they only polished what they could without rebuilding it from the ground up. It seems people forget that, or are surprised that a game that has been in development for over a decade with the last rebuild being over half a decade ago ended up being behind on times. You can polish crap as much as you like, but it's still crap, don't understand why people didn't understand that. Just enjoy the game for what it is, if you went in expecting a triple A title, you got disappointed. If you went in hoping for some humor and to blow shit up, without expecting the game to be game of the year, you really enjoyed it, like I did.
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#19
crazyeyesreaper
Chief Broken Rig
I filled out the survey lets hope the next Duke game is better, I loved the game but i was also a harsh critic when it came to a score, i noticed alot of ppl on TPU thought it was 8-9 out of 10 due to nostalgia but the games rather mediocre. earning a 6.5 / 10 from me which means Above Average but not special,

Great gameplay but the borked video settings and screwy over use of Depth of Field causing anything you zoom in on being blurry then a 100x100 jpeg blown up to 1000x1000 was a big fail, but overall the game was alright, taking the current incarnation and changing the level design to be far more sprawling with much more focus on searching and fighting your way around would be better, bring back the vast levels of the old FPS games, and give us a good story to its not that hard, to avoid linear level design and other issues, DNF is what it is, its a finished game that was done in 2006 but spent nearly 4 years in limbo waiting for the last touches, hopefully a new Duke from the ground up will, fix those glaring issues, and polish off the humor and and gameplay.


and id like to say thanks to Kurgan :toast:

the graphics for the game were finished mostly in 2005-2006 so litteraly the games age is around Xbox 360 / PS3 launch and its just finally been released for the public of course its behind on the times, look at Resistence 1 vs Resistence 3 or Saints Row vs Saints Row 3, etc games have gotten better over time even on dated consoles, but if you look at the Duke Nukem time frame it pretty much was 70-80% complete in 2006 and then just stalled out. till 2011.
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#20
MRCL
Filled out the survey. I didn't finish DNF, but a friend of mine did (he's over 40 by the way) and he said it was a complete chore to play through it, unlike DN3D and the like.

I really wanted to play through it, too, but it was just so... average. Too average and most of the jokes forced.

And how in the name of all thats holy does Duke get shitfaced from one can of beer.
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#21
Trackr
Look, some people think that Duke Nukem deserved a modern AAA update, one that would both preserve its wacky in-your-face humor and.. somehow modify and enhance it in a contemporary way the likes only J.J. Abrams could do.

Well, the Developers didn't think that. This is what they thought:
"Hey, we just received this barely started game based on assets that have been re-created 7 times.. and we have a year to complete it .... Let's just do a throw-back to the original.. that's what people want anyway, right?"

And there you have it. We'll get J.J. Abrams for the sequel.
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#22
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
The game sucks in every way, that's what wrong with it.
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#23
DannibusX
It needed a new engine.

/troll

I liked the game. Sure, it's not all that great, but it was fun and it was different. The next one should have a much shorter development cycle and be much better.
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#24
RejZoR
Never impressed me, tried the demo, was still not impressed, never bought the thing. Might do it when it will be 5 EUR on Steam...

I was however impressed by the video released in 2001 when it was still using modified Unreal Engine 1.5. That looked stunning for the time and for me it still would be.
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#25
purefun65
I have this position on it. It is no longer a vaporware joke. It changed hands with various starts and stops of development. It was imho never going to be good. Now I believe you get a free pass for this. Asking the community to help make it a great game is a positive thing. I will only judge you on the next game. You will stand or fall on the next release. Then will I judge duke nukem.
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