Friday, January 27th 2012

NVIDIA Engaged in PsyOps Against HD 7970: Chinese Forum

A lot has been said about NVIDIA's upcoming product with which it will compete against AMD's Radeon HD 7900 series, except of course, pictures, benchmarks, and so on. Chinese tech forum ChipHell accused NVIDIA of deploying shills across forums to shape public opinion about the already-launched HD 7900 series, towards waiting for NVIDIA's competitive product, these include blind talk about imaginary performance superiority, killer price, etc.

Chinese forums have recognized patterns in this spurt of anti-AMD and pro-HD 7970 imaginary-competitor product posts and banned scores of user accounts engaged in this activity. There's a very potent reason why ChipHell's observations shouldn't be met with cynicism, or made light of. In China, competing factions in the ever-ruling Communist party have been known to use what is known as "the 50 cent army", where for a pittance, scores of internet forum posters can be engaged to perform coordinated PsyOps, to shape public opinion, and maintain public support. It is only natural, then, that competing companies in the extremely competitive Chinese domestic market resort to similar tactics, including those distributing NVIDIA GeForce graphics cards, or, as Chip Hell alleges, NVIDIA itself.Source: Hard|OCP
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112 Comments on NVIDIA Engaged in PsyOps Against HD 7970: Chinese Forum

#1
reverze
no surprise, i am sure older members on this forum will remember how nvidia paid well respected members of tech forums to make pro nvidia posts.
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FreedomEclipse
~Technological Technocrat~
by: reverze
no surprise, i am sure older members on this forum will remember how nvidia paid well respected members of tech forums to make pro nvidia posts.
I am an old member - but i dont recall any of this stuff :wtf::wtf:
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#3
Damn_Smooth
They really need to put up or shut up. It's not like they're slowing sales of the constantly sold out 7970 anyway.
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radrok
by: Damn_Smooth
They really need to put up or shut up. It's not like they're slowing sales of the constantly sold out 7970 anyway.
High end isn't that incisive on market, hence Nvidia hasn't that much hurry to get their product out, midrange is more important because the volumes sold are much higher.
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Damn_Smooth
by: radrok
High end isn't that incisive on market, hence Nvidia hasn't that much hurry to get their product out, midrange is more important because the volumes sold are much higher.
Midrange is what they are claiming will beat the 7970. They still need to put up or shut up.
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#7
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
This all sounds really underhand. I wonder if AMD resorts to the same tactics? I tend to think they would.
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#8
HisSvt2
this doesn't surprise me one bit funny my low post count but my join date is older than the op's :)
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#9
entropy13
by: qubit
This all sounds really underhand. I wonder if AMD resorts to the same tactics? I tend to think they would.
Although not necessarily through myriads of forum posts, this would count.
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#10
TheMailMan78
Big Member
This is why everything posted by any forum member should be thought of as BS. Until I see W1zz's or Daves benchmarks its all bullshit.
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#11
the54thvoid
Well, Charlie absolutely refutes the Chiphell post:

http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=150135&postcount=374
Since people are asking, let me say this for the record. What Chiphell wrote (or appears to have written with the best translation available to me) is blatantly false, period.

My sources are industry sources, not message boards, random web forums, or other dubious sources. When I use information from web based sources, I cite and credit them because it is both the correct thing to do, and lets readers know where to go to judge the validity of that information. If it is not cited, it is from a direct industry source(s). If it is credited, it is just that. If not, it is because the source requested anonymity.

What other sites do is what they do, but I don't follow the pack because I actually value accuracy and ethics.

-Charlie
Given his position on Nvidia as a company and reading through the S/A forum and seeing his posts and the forums response, I'm thinking CD knows more than the stuff filtering from Chiphell.

And let's face it, what's stopping AMD using the same tactics to have actually started this new, Nvidia conspiracy?

Too many web folk read one thing and attach 100% truth to it. Me? I'm leaning back to a watercooled 7970 unless i hear from NV soon.

As MM and many others have said, all rumours for now and we'll know when the goods hit the floor.
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TheMailMan78
Big Member
by: the54thvoid
Well, Charlie absolutely refutes the Chiphell post:

http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=150135&postcount=374



Given his position on Nvidia as a company and reading through the S/A forum and seeing his posts and the forums response, I'm thinking CD knows more than the stuff filtering from Chiphell.

And let's face it, what's stopping AMD using the same tactics to have actually started this new, Nvidia conspiracy?

Too many web folk read one thing and attach 100% truth to it. Me? I'm leaning back to a watercooled 7970 unless i hear from NV soon.

As MM and many others have said, all rumours for now and we'll know when the goods hit the floor.
On a side note Charlie is full of shit against Nvidia or for Nvidia. W1zz benches or bust.
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the54thvoid
by: TheMailMan78
On a side note Charlie is full of shit against Nvidia or for Nvidia. W1zz benches or bust.
Yeah, I know - I stopped using the Enquirer a long time ago as i was sick of his anti Nvidia venom whilst licking ATI (at the time) donkey dick. So his recent 'neutrality' and positive view on Kepler makes it seem very plausible, NV have sorted things out this time round.

But I also couldn't agree more, I dont count on anything until the cards get benched (and i also multi source reviews from a few other neutral sites).
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#14
Quantos
Really, the odds of this being true are rather slim, in my opinion. I'm not saying it's impossible, but even if it is, it has to have a limited impact. Yes, there's a lot of rumours about Kepler, but why can't it just be people speculating? Speculation is just that, guessing what it's going to be like with little to no thrustworthy information to base yourself on.
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TheMailMan78
Big Member
by: the54thvoid
Yeah, I know - I stopped using the Enquirer a long time ago as i was sick of his anti Nvidia venom whilst licking ATI (at the time) donkey dick. So his recent 'neutrality' and positive view on Kepler makes it seem very plausible, NV have sorted things out this time round.

But I also couldn't agree more, I dont count on anything until the cards get benched (and i also multi source reviews from a few other neutral sites).
The fact Charlie used to scream anti-Nivida crap all the time that WASN'T TRUE makes me believe Chiphell. That scum bag could be bought easy.
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#16
1Kurgan1
The Knife in your Back
by: radrok
High end isn't that incisive on market, hence Nvidia hasn't that much hurry to get their product out, midrange is more important because the volumes sold are much higher.
I don't know if you pay attention to hardware much, but even people on these forums normally buy the high end mid-range products. But when it comes down to red/green camps or AMD/Intel, the arguments will always come down to what company makes the fastest chip, even if it's something like say a $1000 processor that almost no one has. Just because not many people have the budget for it is besides the point, that top dog product gives the fanboys without the bank rolls for it something to rally behind and wave as their flag, to show their companies dominance in the market. So they might not actually bring in a ton of money themselves, but just them existing, is important.
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#17
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
by: the54thvoid
And let's face it, what's stopping AMD using the same tactics to have actually started this new, Nvidia conspiracy?
The fact that HD 7970 exists and is ready to sell, while that Kepler bogie isn't. Since Kepler doesn't exist, those behind this mischief can claim Kepler to have virtually any kind of performance/power-consumption/price figure, while AMD can't, since its performance/power/price figures are already out and tested.

Also, the fact that AMD can also resort to such practice, doesn't legitimize it.
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#18
the54thvoid
by: btarunr
Also, the fact that AMD can also resort to such practice, doesn't legitimize it.
Never said it did. I simply said that there's nothing stopping AMD also being involved. Espionage also has a bedfellow called counter espionage. In a billion dollar industry it would be utterly naive to think only one side would try dirty tactics.

There is no actual proof NV (or associated individuals) is involved and no proof AMD (or associated individuals) isn't - that's my viewpoint here. Until i have confirmed* facts, the web and all media for that matter is nothing more than an interesting story.

*Which in itself is an existentionalist philosophical roundabout.
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#19
R_1
This round in GPU wars ain't cheap for end-users. AMD pricing is a lot like Nvidia-s, even higher. That is not MSRP $249-$349 for HD4870/4850 , or $259-$379 for HD5850/5870, or $299-$369 for HD6970/6950. We are facing $???-$550 MSRP for HD7950/7970, even worse $650-$750 in Europe. That is over 200% higher price for Europe, compared to previous AMD generation and lot worse, as we accounted $199 HD4850 vs. $650 HD7950. So let's see what GK104 can do. Patience can pay off this time.
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#20
HalfAHertz
Hai guys! I just wanted to say that Kepler ends world hunger and brings world peace and you should totally buy it! Oh wait...
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#21
TheMailMan78
Big Member
I hear Kepler is powered off the stolen heart of an orphaned child.
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#22
the54thvoid
Yeah but it also has an irregular heart rate.
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#23
R_1
by: TheMailMan78
I hear Kepler is powered off the stolen heart of an orphaned child.
Johannes Kepler is a great astronomer. A bunch of people in his time were also that great... , if they could prove what they were saying or writing , like Giordano Bruno forinstance. It turns out that only Kepler can prove his findings. Holy Inquisition did a great mistake back then, killing Bruno, not Kepler. I see RIAA taking notes, when MegaUpload was closed recently.
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#24
Hokum
I've heard that Kepler is made with the blood of baby seals... You heard it here first...:rolleyes:
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#25
OneCool
I have the Kepler high end offering in SLI Skyrim results.I must say im impressed.


But for the record during the test in question one of the orphaned hearts stroked out so I can not reproduce my findings :ohwell:
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