Wednesday, March 7th 2012

GeForce GTX 680 Features Speed Boost, Arrives This Month, etc., etc.

Here are some key bits of information concerning the upcoming GeForce GTX 680, a performance single-GPU graphics card based on the 28 nm GK104 GPU by NVIDIA. The information, at face value, is credible, because we're hearing that a large contingent of the media that finds interest in the GPU industry, is attending the Game Developers Conference, where it could interact with NVIDIA, on the sidelines. The source, however, is citing people it spoke to at CeBIT.

First, and most interesting: with some models of the GeForce 600, NVIDIA will introduce a load-based clock speed-boost feature (think: Intel Turbo Boost), which steps up clock speeds of the graphics card when subjected to heavy loads. If there's a particularly stressing 3D scene for the GPU to render, it overclocks itself, and sees the scene through. This ensures higher minimum and average frame-rates.

Second, you probably already know this, but GK104 does indeed feature 1,536 CUDA cores, which lend it a strong number-crunching muscle that helps with shading, post-processing, and GPGPU.

Third, the many-fold increase in CUDA cores doesn't necessarily amount to a linear increase in performance, when compared to the previous generation. The GeForce GTX 680 is about 10% faster than Radeon HD 7970, in Battlefield 3. In the same comparison, the GTX 680 is slower than HD 7970 at 3DMark 11.

Fourth, the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 will very much launch in this month. It won't exactly be a paper-launch, small quantities will be available for purchase, and only through select AIC partners. Quantities will pick up in later months.

Fifth, there's talk of GK107, a mid-range GPU based on the Kepler architecture, being launched in April.

Next up, NVIDIA is preparing a dual-GPU graphics card based on the GK104, it is slated for May, NVIDIA will use Graphics Technology Conference (GTC), as its launch-pad.

Lastly, GK110, the crown-jewel of the Kepler GPU family, will feature as many as 2,304 CUDA cores. There's absolutely no word on its whereabouts. The fact that NVIDIA is working on a dual-GK104 graphics card indicates that we won't see this chip very soon.Source: Heise.de
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105 Comments on GeForce GTX 680 Features Speed Boost, Arrives This Month, etc., etc.

#1
TheMailMan78
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by: Benetanegia
Or maybe not, maybe they are just adjusting to the games of AMD. HD5800 was the high-end and 5700 midrange and then suddenly HD6900 is high-end and 6800 midrage and then again 7900 and 7800 even though there's no need to leave room on the low end this time around, because there's no low end.

So 680 against 7800 seems right, because what would marketng guys do otherwise? It's their job to try and eveluate if going to HD6900 is going to make it look faster and Nvidia's marketing job to evaluate if it did hurt them to have a lower number. :laugh: :rolleyes:
But this is the 680 vs the 7900. Not 7800. Last two gens this would have been a 660 not a 680. AMD at least made it pretty clear they were changing the name. NVIDIA is just sand bagging and making things way more confusing then they should be.

Basically they are launching a mid tier card under a top tier number with no announcement. Its BS if true.
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#2
Salsoolo
by: TheMailMan78
But this is the 680 vs the 7900. Not 7800. Last two gens this would have been a 660 not a 680. AMD at least made it pretty clear they were changing the name. NVIDIA is just sand bagging and making things way more confusing then they should be.

Basically they are launching a mid tier card under a top tier number with no announcement. Its BS if true.
+1
which makes me wonder what are they going to call the top end gk110 cards on Q4?
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#3
TheMailMan78
Big Member
by: Salsoolo
+1
which makes me wonder what are they going to call the top end gk110 cards on Q4?
690x2? Who the hell knows.
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#4
Benetanegia
by: TheMailMan78
But this is the 680 vs the 7900. Not 7800. Last two gens this would have been a 660 not a 680. AMD at least made it pretty clear they were changing the name. NVIDIA is just sand bagging and making things way more confusing then they should be.

Basically they are launching a mid tier card under a top tier number with no announcement. Its BS if true.
Announcing makes no difference, plus we don't know if they are going to announce it or not. And at any rate it's irrelevant. Name is irrelevant. So what if it's called GTX680, as long as it beats HD7970. This was not the chip first intended to go against Tahiti, but it IS the one that will go against it. Who cares if it was first intended as a mid-range/performance card. What about HD3800, HD4800? They were mid-range sized (much more so than GK104) and sold like high-end (because of the name, just following your logic).

A name is just a name. FYI I was monstly being sarcastic, not that I'm not right on that. Nvidia has always been adjusting to AMD's naming change BS, if you want to call it that way, first with HD2000 to HD3800, then with HD5000 to HD6000 and last (maybe) with HDx800 becoming HDx9xx so they call it GTX680, so what?
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TheMailMan78
Big Member
by: Benetanegia
Announcing makes no difference, plus we don't know if they are going to announce it or not. And at any rate it's irrelevant. Name is irrelevant. So what if it's called GTX680, as long as it beats HD7970. This was not the chip first intended to go against Tahiti, but it IS the one that will go against it. Who cares if it was first intended as a mid-range/performance card. What about HD3800, HD4800? They were mid-range sized (much more so than GK104) and sold like high-end (because of the name, just following your logic).

A name is just a name. FYI I was monstly being sarcastic, not that I'm not right on that. Nvidia has always been adjusting to AMD's naming change BS, if you want to call it that way, first with HD2000 to HD3800, then with HD5000 to HD6000 and last (maybe) with HDx800 becoming HDx9xx so they call it GTX680, so what?
Its stupid and confusing no matter how you justify it.
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#6
Benetanegia
by: TheMailMan78
Its stupid and confusing no matter how you justify it.
I'm not justifying it, I'm explaining it. You never complained about HD6000 series which was far worse, starting with the generational jump. Like I said if GTX680 beats HD7970, just like GTX 580 beats HD6970, just like GTX480 beats HD5870, then what exactly is wrong? What?

And I'm not saying I like all the games that both AMD and Nvidia play, but complaining about this particular case with the things they've done in the past is rather stupid.
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TheMailMan78
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by: Benetanegia
I'm not justifying it, I'm explaining it. You never complained about HD6000 series which was far worse, starting with the generational jump. Like I said if GTX680 beats HD7970, just like GTX 580 beats HD6970, just like GTX480 beats HD5870, then what exactly is wrong? What?
I did complain about it........and they announced the change AND priced accordingly. NVIDIA didn't even do that.

I bet they charge 580 prices for 560 performance per the 6xx generation so to speak. Its underhanded. People who dont know chip numbers will think they are getting a top tier card unless NVIDIA announces it. They will be paying for a top tier card and getting a mid-range. Its shady as hell and you know it.
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#8
Fluffmeister
No people will pay for the performance, it's not nV's fault their mid-range chip may end up competing with AMD high-end.
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#9
naoan
by: AthlonX2
yeah 10%with a midrange card.....
Does it really matter if it's priced at the top range? :laugh:
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#10
erocker
by: AthlonX2
yeah 10%with a midrange card.....
Thing is, it's really not. It's the fastest card (single GPU) Nvidia will have to offer for some time. Once GK110 is ready to go, I'm sure AMD will have something ready to go at that time or shortly thereafter. This is good really, as things seem to be balancing out between the two companies thus more competition.
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#11
Benetanegia
by: TheMailMan78
I did complain about it........and they announced the change AND priced accordingly. NVIDIA didn't even do that.

I bet they charge 580 prices for 560 performance per the 6xx generation so to speak. Its underhanded. People who dont know chip numbers will think they are getting a top tier card unless NVIDIA announces it. They will be paying for a top tier card and getting a mid-range. Its shady as hell and you know it.
AMD is already doing that, but you call on Nvidia even when you have no f***ing idea what the price will be. You are complaining on an assumption, but refuse to understand that AMD is already doing the same. The GTX680 will be using a +300 mm^2 chip, just like HD7970 does and will probably/arguably beat it, and AMD charges $550 and Nvidia IF they price it that high will only be taking advantage of something that AMD did first. Like always one step behind in confusing/shafting customers.

I don't like it anymore than you do, but I'm just being realistic. If it beats Tahiti, why shouldn't they call it GTX680 and ask a price accordingly. I remind you that YOU are the defendant of capitalism, remember? I'm the socialist (not me, my country). ;)
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#12
AthlonX2
HyperVtX™
by: naoan
Does it really matter if it's priced at the top range? :laugh:
oh it will be expensive there is no doubt about it,and when the price comes down it will only be because of the GTX690 release or GK110
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#13
TheGuruStud
by: Salsoolo
thats it. been without a video card/pc for 2.5 weeks and cant afford staying longer.
i thought by march 15 ill see cards on market, but it looks like next month at least.
*orders a 7950*
Good choice :toast:

I have mine humming along at 1,200 core so far :)

by: Fluffmeister
No people will pay for the performance, it's not nV's fault their mid-range chip may end up competing with AMD high-end.
It's not mid-range b/c it's the fastest card they'll have till June or who knows when.

AMD can just bump clocks 2-300 mhz and b**** slap nvidia (not sure if they will since they like power savings, but I think they should).
Plus, they can cut prices some if necessary with improving yields. Nvidia won't have that for many months lol
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#14
AthlonX2
HyperVtX™
imagine what that card would do with 1200 on the core and good drivers:p
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#15
Fluffmeister
by: TheGuruStud
It's not mid-range b/c it's the fastest card they'll have till June or who knows when.
And that is the point, if it competes then the name fits and it's what people would expect it to be called. Sure they could call it the GTX 660 or LOLTahitiHEHE if they wanted, not that it matters either way.

by: TheGuruStud
AMD can just bump clocks 2-300 mhz and b**** slap nvidia.
Absolutely, if people are stupid enough to buy such overpriced cards good on em.
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#16
theoneandonlymrk
by: TheMailMan78
I did complain about it........and they announced the change AND priced accordingly. NVIDIA didn't even do that.

I bet they charge 580 prices for 560 performance per the 6xx generation so to speak. Its underhanded. People who dont know chip numbers will think they are getting a top tier card unless NVIDIA announces it. They will be paying for a top tier card and getting a mid-range. Its shady as hell and you know it.
+1 and that in part is why im starting to dislike nvidia as a company because a GTX560SE GTX560 and a GTX560TI exist on the same shelves too, the names just dont fit what they are selling it on sometimes, at all

and its allegedly better then an un clocked 7970 in compute only , we all know that balls to the wall the 7970 will clock higher and ultimately perform better then this speculation would OC imho, as they are already clearly capable of higher clocks Ala the boost feature, just not capable of maintaining them over time as i see it , it dosnt sound like OCérs delight:confused:
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#17
TheMailMan78
Big Member
by: Benetanegia
AMD is already doing that, but you call on Nvidia even when you have no f***ing idea what the price will be. You are complaining on an assumption, but refuse to understand that AMD is already doing the same. The GTX680 will be using a +300 mm^2 chip, just like HD7970 does and will probably/arguably beat it, and AMD charges $550 and Nvidia IF they price it that high will only be taking advantage of something that AMD did first. Like always one step behind in confusing/shafting customers.

I don't like it anymore than you do, but I'm just being realistic. If it beats Tahiti, why shouldn't they call it GTX680 and ask a price accordingly. I remind you that YOU are the defendant of capitalism, remember? I'm the socialist (not me, my country). ;)
I never said they didn't have a right to name it whatever they want. Its just a shady practice.
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#18
xkche
by: TheMailMan78
Basically they are launching a mid tier card under a top tier number with no announcement. Its BS if true.
I hope so!

by: faramir
Nvidia has nothing to war with. When they deliver something solid rather than just press releases, the prices of AMD's newest cards should go down.
I hope so!

We need that nvidia GTX600 make a kickass GPU!, to see the price going down in in the two sides. :shadedshu
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#19
Crap Daddy
by: TheMailMan78
I did complain about it........and they announced the change AND priced accordingly. NVIDIA didn't even do that.

I bet they charge 580 prices for 560 performance per the 6xx generation so to speak. Its underhanded. People who dont know chip numbers will think they are getting a top tier card unless NVIDIA announces it. They will be paying for a top tier card and getting a mid-range. Its shady as hell and you know it.
NV is operating in a market. So what happens when your competition is launching a high-end card that is slower than what you expected? In fact, it's slower than your mid-range, performance whatever card which you happen to have ready. Your high-end part is still in the works. Obviously you launch the card that's ready and "adapt". You call it GTX680, you take back the crown "fastest card in the universe blah blah" and on top of it, you have an unexpected chance to milk a premium price (when you thought first that a 300$ price would have been great) thanks to your very own competition.

If that's the case we're pretty screwed.
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#20
cadaveca
My name is Dave
by: Crap Daddy
NV is operating in a market. So what happens when your competition is launching a high-end card that is slower than what you expected? In fact, it's slower than your mid-range, performance whatever card which you happen to have ready. Your high-end part is still in the works. Obviously you launch the card that's ready and "adapt". You call it GTX680, you take back the crown "fastest card in the universe blah blah" and on top of it, you have an unexpected chance to milk a premium price (when you thought first that a 300$ price would have been great) thanks to your very own competition.

If that's the case we're pretty screwed.
There's nothing wrong with offering more, for less cost. nV has two ways they can spin this, but to me, it ain't looking too positive.
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TheMailMan78
Big Member
by: Crap Daddy
NV is operating in a market. So what happens when your competition is launching a high-end card that is slower than what you expected? In fact, it's slower than your mid-range, performance whatever card which you happen to have ready. Your high-end part is still in the works. Obviously you launch the card that's ready and "adapt". You call it GTX680, you take back the crown "fastest card in the universe blah blah" and on top of it, you have an unexpected chance to milk a premium price (when you thought first that a 300$ price would have been great) thanks to your very own competition.

If that's the case we're pretty screwed.
I get that. With NVIDIA losing market share like crazy you would think they would take advantage of their situation and deal a major blow to AMD. But instead they took a more crappy route and renamed things and charged a premium. Sorry but I just lost respect for em. What they are doing is a short term thing. It hurt consumers now and them in the long run. They should take this chance for a MAJOR hit against AMD. Instead all I see is ego.
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#22
HumanSmoke
by: TheMailMan78
But this is the 680 vs the 7900. Not 7800. Last two gens this would have been a 660 not a 680. AMD at least made it pretty clear they were changing the name.
Supposition. Implies that GeForce upper midrange = Radeon top tier. This happen often ?
by: TheMailMan78
NVIDIA is just sand bagging and making things way more confusing then they should be.
Confusing SKU naming conventions ! say it ain't so !
Just as well AMD doesn't start ripping off Intel's naming conventions for its APU's wholesale -including the "K" unlocked multi suffix...oh, wait...
I guess on company's "sand bagging" is another company's astute business acumen
(EDIT: A quick browse of TPU's back articles on AMD's GPU/APU naming conventions doesn't seem to yield any concerns from you. Is this practice something that has recently earned your ire?)

by: TheMailMan78
Basically they are launching a mid tier card under a top tier number with no announcement. Its BS if true.
Getting your panties in a wad? Over what?...an "if" ?
Who says "GK104" is a midrange GPU ? all the scuttlebutt is tending towards the same ballpark die space, compute perf, overall perf as Tahiti. You see Tahiti marketed as "mid tier" ?

Basing GK104 as midrange based on "GK110" (which may be mythological for as much as anyone actually knows about it) being enthusiast/top-tier ? Making an assumption from an assumption ?
Whose to say that "GK110" isn't GTX 780...assuming it's anything at all (remember the 96TMU/384SP GT212). You know for a fact that "GK110" is of the same family/release as "GK104"?
by: btarunr
Lastly, GK110, the crown-jewel of the Kepler GPU family, will feature as many as 2,304 CUDA cores. There's absolutely no word on its whereabouts. The fact that NVIDIA is working on a dual-GK104 graphics card indicates that we won't see this chip very soon.
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#23
erocker
Tahiti is a mid-tier "sea-islands".
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#24
Benetanegia
by: Crap Daddy
NV is operating in a market. So what happens when your competition is launching a high-end card that is slower than what you expected? In fact, it's slower than your mid-range, performance whatever card which you happen to have ready. Your high-end part is still in the works. Obviously you launch the card that's ready and "adapt". You call it GTX680, you take back the crown "fastest card in the universe blah blah" and on top of it, you have an unexpected chance to milk a premium price (when you thought first that a 300$ price would have been great) thanks to your very own competition.

If that's the case we're pretty screwed.
That's right.

by: TheMailMan78
I never said they didn't have a right to name it whatever they want. Its just a shady practice.
No it's not shaddy. They don't have anything better for now, either because they can't make it (TSMC 28nm issues or because of their own fault), or because when they saw the competition they decided to play safe and ensure a better situation than another GF100.

No matter what, they don't have anything faster for now. So if what they do have is faster than the competition they name it accordingly and I guess that they price it accordingly, although we dont know the price yet, so making assumptions is stupid. Like Crap Daddy said, we are probably screwed, but that's something I've been saying the minute I saw HD7970's performance, but of course I was flamed for that.
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#25
Crap Daddy
Well, we still don't know the whole part of the story especially the price of the GTX680.
So there is still a chance because NV has to fill some parts all the way down to the GTX560Ti/HD7850 which are 200-250$ cards and they have only one chip ready. The GK106 is nowhere to be seen (in fact it's more mysterious than the GK110).
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