Wednesday, April 4th 2012

Orbis Implements Multi-GPU, Too

Sony's next-generation PlayStation, reportedly codenamed "Orbis", is known to be powered by an AMD x86-64 CPU with graphics based on its Southern Islands architecture, from the older report. We're now hearing that Sony may implement a multi-GPU solution of its own. According to an IGN.com report, the CPU in question will be a custom-version of AMD's A8-3850 quad-core APU. This should serve as indication that the processor cores will be based on AMD's K10 Stars architecture, rather than K15 Bulldozer/Piledriver.

The GPU, on the other hand, will be based on the "Southern Islands" architecture, and the IGN.com report pin points it to resemble Radeon HD 7670. The HD 7670 is a re-branded HD 6670, which is based on the 40 nm "Turks" GPU. Turks uses neither Graphics CoreNext nor VLIW4, but the older VLIW5 number-crunching machinery. The most interesting piece of information here is talk of a multi-GPU configuration between this Turks-based GPU, and the GPU that's embedded into the "Llano" APU. We know that the graphics core embedded into AMD A8-3850, the Radeon HD 6550D, can work in tandem with Radeon HD 6670 to yield an AMD Hybrid CrossFireX configuration called "Radeon HD 6690D2". This could be end up being Sony's graphics weapon of choice.

Speaking of choices, we see that AMD is falling back to established technologies, be it K10 Stars CPU cores, or VLIW5-based GPUs, avoiding Bulldozer CPU. While its new Graphics CoreNext architecture is found to be fairly efficient in performance GPUs such as the HD 7700 series, its incompatibility with Llano's graphics could have served as a deal-breaker. Pictured above, is fan-made concept art.Source: IGN
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88 Comments on Orbis Implements Multi-GPU, Too

#2
Jurassic1024
by: Kaleid
Microstuttering now for consoles?
lol Comments like these are way too funny.
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#3
dieterd
right now my old hd 6850 can run every newest console port max out @1080. I thought, that I can skip new GPU generations (one, maybe two) untill next gen consoles will come out, because then there will be major graphic preformance leap and any old GPU (even GTX 680) would be to weak to run newest games maxes out, there would be new monitors at resolutions way beyond 1080, because new monster consoles would need that... Now I understand that my HD 6850 will be good for long time and we wont see any reasonable priced monitors @ higher resolution :(. even my i5-760 @ stock speed (and turbo turned off - lol) will chew each newest game without any problem :(. I was so eager to upgraide and spend my money for good new shiny things - if only I had some reason to do so :(
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#4
Thefumigator
A llano in a PS4 actually is enough, considering you have direct access to hardware without the penalty of passing throu direct x, windows OS, and/or windows compliant drivers. And you won't have paging files neither, a massive windows registry, and so on.

I bet Games will look 5x better and the thing will perform much better than on a PC with same specs. An Xbox 360 shows quite an impressive video quality with such an outdated (ATI 1950 based) video chip.
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#5
insane 360
by: dieterd
right now my old hd 6850 can run every newest console port max out @1080. I thought, that I can skip new GPU generations (one, maybe two) untill next gen consoles will come out, because then there will be major graphic preformance leap and any old GPU (even GTX 680) would be to weak to run newest games maxes out, there would be new monitors at resolutions way beyond 1080, because new monster consoles would need that... Now I understand that my HD 6850 will be good for long time and we wont see any reasonable priced monitors @ higher resolution :(. even my i5-760 @ stock speed (and turbo turned off - lol) will chew each newest game without any problem :(. I was so eager to upgraide and spend my money for good new shiny things - if only I had some reason to do so :(
send me money and i'll send you shiny things...promise!

on a serious note, mussels is right, these consoles will be worlds better than the current gen, use less power and these components are closer than ever to pc parts, should make ports better. this will be good :)
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#6
hardcore_gamer
by: Jurassic1024
Underpowered compared to a PC at launch? What about the 5+ year lifespan of a console. Even if a console was equal to the latest PC hardware at launch, it certainly wouldn't be one or two or five or ten years later.
That happens every time. But being underpowered at launch didn't happen since PS2.
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#7
Mussels
Moderprator
by: wickerman
graphics aside, does anyone else think the best upgrade for the next gen consoles would be some form of SSD or hybrid storage? Perhaps something like Seagates Momentus hybrid or a cheaper version of OCZ's RevoDrive? Obviously straight flash SSD would be epicly fast but next gen games are only going to get bigger and bigger as these consoles get more PC-like. Hell PC games are getting absurdly large. SWTOR is 35gb, Shogun 2 is 30gb, RAGE was 22gb.
failure rates are too high on flash media. they cant rely on it.
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#8
HossHuge
by: Jurassic1024
I'll sh*t bricks if the PS4 has the same controller as the PS, PS2 and PS3.
From the looks of that picture you are going to need this.

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#9
rpsgc
by: FreedomEclipse
I dunno what you guys think but that control pad looks really really really ugly.... Its like they tried to copy the Dreamcast idea of having a little display on the controller (which was the memory card if you slotted it in) but in a more modern way like simply adding a PSP to a PS control pad.
by: HossHuge
From the looks of that picture you are going to need this.

http://img.techpowerup.org/120405/toilet-paper.jpg
If only people would RT(F)A... :cool:
Pictured above, is fan-made concept art.
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#10
marsey99
wewt!!!

now the world of console gamers can get micro stutter too :nutkick:

:roll:
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#12
HossHuge
by: rpsgc
If only people would RT(F)A... :cool:
Obviously somebody (for example the fan who created the picture) thinks that the controller isn't going to change. Now, can't I comment on that without having you crying about me supposedly not reading the article?
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#13
ompak5
by: Thefumigator
A llano in a PS4 actually is enough, considering you have direct access to hardware without the penalty of passing throu direct x, windows OS, and/or windows compliant drivers. And you won't have paging files neither, a massive windows registry, and so on.

I bet Games will look 5x better and the thing will perform much better than on a PC with same specs. An Xbox 360 shows quite an impressive video quality with such an outdated (ATI 1950 based) video chip.
i remember a while ago... AMD said all games should not render under DIRECT X environment so the GPU can do according to their program with out OS limiter? I think its time for AMD to shine here.. if this proved to be correct here on PS4 then all games dont need DIRECT X on windows???
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#14
THE_EGG
hang on a second. Wasn't the 6670 a re-branded 5670? So really the 7670 is a re-branded 5670. :/
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#15
Thefumigator
by: ompak5
i remember a while ago... AMD said all games should not render under DIRECT X environment so the GPU can do according to their program with out OS limiter? I think its time for AMD to shine here.. if this proved to be correct here on PS4 then all games dont need DIRECT X on windows???
Under windows you don't need Direct x to render 3D, you can use openGL if you want, or your own technology if its mature enough (but not all video card will support it). Direct X and OpenGL proven to be the most widely used. Why? because gaming video cards support them.

So this is the reason a console hardware will work better, because developers knows that the video chip will be the same in every PS4.

You just can't make the same assumption with PC. Even having DirectX in the middle of a PC, if you are a developer you may want to test the game in every video card possible, lets say at least from the ATI 2000 series all the way to 7000, and Nvidia 8000 series all the way to GTX600 series to make sure it will run without problems.

There were times where some consoles changed the chip from version to version, like the Xbox 360, the older one vs the newer ones but they just changed the chip for a better revision of it, lets say, it was the same chip with the same capabilities but improved in power consumption and other factors. "Digitally" it is the same thing, so it made no difference for the user nor the developer.
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#16
Prima.Vera
If this is true, with that crappy GPU's I think is a waste to even create a new PS4 which is only marginally faster than PS3...WTH?!?!
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#17
erek
looks like a rip off of the new Apple TV

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#18
xenocide
by: ompak5
i remember a while ago... AMD said all games should not render under DIRECT X environment so the GPU can do according to their program with out OS limiter? I think its time for AMD to shine here.. if this proved to be correct here on PS4 then all games dont need DIRECT X on windows???
Developers were pretty quick to refute that claim. I remember Crytek being one of the people that said programming "to the metal" wasn't an ideal solution for anything other than consoles, and even for consoles it wasn't a great solution. DirectX is so common these days because it works so well. As mentioned, there are alternatives, but there is no point in using most of them because they are either not supported well by the hardware, or just not on par for the current solutions.

I don't think some kind of Hybrid Crossfire solution is the best idea for consoles. Just look at how often people on these forums have issues with Crossfire, do you really want that to carry over to your console? I know I don't. I see no reason why they couldn't just use a standard Quad-Core CPU with something akin to a 6850 or 7770.

I hope half these rumors about this upcoming generation of consoles are lies, because if not it seems like a huge amount of disappointment is inbound.
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#19
Thefumigator
by: xenocide

I don't think some kind of Hybrid Crossfire solution is the best idea for consoles. Just look at how often people on these forums have issues with Crossfire, do you really want that to carry over to your console? I know I don't. I see no reason why they couldn't just use a standard Quad-Core CPU with something akin to a 6850 or 7770.
A standard quad core cpu + a video card will be more expensive. Llano is perfect, its everything integrated in one single chip.

I believe in crossfire, its a good way of improving performance. In a console its even better: developers know that if something doesn't work well, they will have to fix it before release, and this fix will work on all (PS4) consoles. because they are all the same internally.

Now, if the PS4 will change specs from stepping to stepping and/or be upgradeable, get ready for problems. Because upgradability and compatibility with different hardware configs plagued the P.C. with trouble for ages.
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#20
Isenstaedt
by: THE_EGG
hang on a second. Wasn't the 6670 a re-branded 5670? So really the 7670 is a re-branded 5670. :/
No. The 7670 is a rebranded 6670 because it is based on the same GPU, Turks XT. The 5670 is based on Redwood XT.

Still, the 6670 is about 10% faster than the 5670. It does it consuming less power, though.
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#21
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
A question for all the people saying the new consoles are weak: Have the consoles ever been more powerful than a home computer? I mean I don't know and would like to know if the whining is justified or not.
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#22
Thefumigator
by: Frick
A question for all the people saying the new consoles are weak: Have the consoles ever been more powerful than a home computer? I mean I don't know and would like to know if the whining is justified or not.
That's exactly my point. Home computers were always much more powerful than consoles.

PC weren't specifically made for gaming despite technologies like DirectX/OpenGL enable it when paired with a good video card.

However, a good and powerful video card on PC proves to beat everything available in console gaming except for title availability. Here the difference with consoles is longetivity. PCs are always updating. Each year a new video card model is released, each year a new processor is released.
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#23
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
All graphics hardware out there today is designed to DirectX specifications. Some developers might use OpenGL, OpenCL, etc. because the DirectX libraries aren't available on any platform except Windows but those open libraries benefit from the hardware advancements DirectX requires. Even what gets thrown into consoles benefits from those hardware advancements because there is no profit in rewriting what works when porting hardware to a console. Yeah, of course they don't use the DirectX libraries (except Xbox) but they're using the same techniques and technologies DirectX pioneered.
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#24
Dent1
by: xenocide
I don't think some kind of Hybrid Crossfire solution is the best idea for consoles. Just look at how often people on these forums have issues with Crossfire, do you really want that to carry over to your console?
The reason why people have issues with Crossfire is because PCs have an infinite amount of variables which can cause conflicts. Different models/brands/types of OS, configurations, driver revisions, memory, motherboards, CPUS, GPUs. Then on top of that you have incompetent users.

With consoles developers are working with a system which isn't changing in specifications and thus typical PC issues (like CF issues) shouldnt occur.
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#25
THE_EGG
by: Isenstaedt
No. The 7670 is a rebranded 6670 because it is based on the same GPU, Turks XT. The 5670 is based on Redwood XT.

Still, the 6670 is about 10% faster than the 5670. It does it consuming less power, though.
ah cheers, my mistake. :toast: I thought it was like how the 5770 got rebranded and such.
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