Monday, July 16th 2012
GeForce GTX 660 Arrives Mid-August: Report
NVIDIA's newest product designed to strike the price-performance "sweetspot," the GeForce GTX 660, is set for a mid-August market launch, according to a SweClockers report. The new chip could roll out some time between August 13 and 19. Given that other Kepler-based SKUs have been launched on Tuesdays or Thursdays, it's likely that the launch date could be either the 14th, or the 16th. The GTX 660 will be based on the 28 nm "GK104" GPU. It will feature 1,344 or 1,152 CUDA cores, and a 192-bit wide GDDR5 memory interface, holding 1.5 GB of memory, according to the report. The new GPU could capture a crucial sub-$300 price-point.
Sources:
SweClockers, VideoCardz
78 Comments on GeForce GTX 660 Arrives Mid-August: Report
670 = 1568sp at a base of 915...or exactly matching 7950...and an avg boost to 950ish...the percentage difference between 1792->2048 where Tahiti often becomes ROP limited (~1840s'ish?.)
Please do some IPC math...or try clocking 7950 at not 800/5000. I try to be friendly, but people believing the marketing bullshit versus actual chip capabilities makes me :banghead:. I continue to hope 8870 is 1792sp and 256-bit with very close to rated 7000mhz ram stock speeds matched to shaders clocks (~1100mhz). What marketing trick could nvidia make people believe if they did that? Yep. You've prolly seen me pontificate that I expect a < 150w 1536sp 8850 at somewhere around 925/5000. If that comes to be and launches under $300, WTF does nvidia do then...especially if the chip is smaller?
One thing is for sure...660 will start prices a-tumbling. Sea Islands will probably set the market straight as far gk104 pricing goes...and all will be as it should be.
BF3, in fairness, is one game I've not tried. SC2, Metro 2033 and Crysis are all fine, though (admittedly not maxed in the latter two cases).
Not the best source in the world, but just look at the best selling cards on Newegg. It is dominated by the GTX 560ti and the HD 6800 series. All priced around $150-$250.
Bought about $3k in nvidia stock a couple months back. BIG mistake.
"we were expecting more from the competition," When in fact they had nothing available to counter at that moment.
and they definitely screwed themselves by not making a mid range part right away...
Then again PC sales are lower across the board this quarter, and they are probably not losing all of that market share to AMD.
BTW Nvidia still hold a 62% of AIB market share, which is what these cards are all about. The only reason their general market share is down is because nearly every CPU that Intel sells and that AMD can actually sell in some volume have a GPU integrated. Nvidia currently dominates the discrete GPU market, especially on the high-end, high-margin segment. That is a fact and it will probably just grow in the near future.
I could be wrong tho. EDIT: nope i'm just read another post stating that it is an all new chip.... hmm.
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 (680 & 670) Unless everyone on steam owns a 680 and no 670s
APR = 0.31%
MAY = 0.56%
JUN = 0.74%
Change = +0.18%
ATI Radeon HD 7970 (7970 & 7950) Unless no-one on steam owns a 7950
FEB = 0.31%
MAR = 0.38%
APR = 0.41%
MAY = 0.50%
JUN = 0.50%
Change = 0.00%
ATI Radeon HD 7800 Series (7870 & 7850)
MAY = 0.42%
JUN = 0.67%
Change = +0.25%
Kind of selectively sensationalizing it arent we.
I was using well over a gig 5 years ago running Oblivion mods.
Fucked up my .ini file? Cute. Besides, that is not the only game. Crysis is over a gig too with 4x AA plus ZPOMAF.
I would have loved to stick with my 6850 Crossfire longer but I needed more VRAM. Period.
I'll move to Nvidia’s GK-107 (GT430) at this point I’m not sure what’s up, because even with DDR5 it might come close to 7750. Although can Nvidia work better pricing while still provide DDR5, they’d have to or it’s no competition with AMD’s Cape Verde parts... And why is that? I mean Nvidia has known what was needed months ago, and they come up so short? Is Kepler not scaling well, was the GK-104 just a mainstream push really hard, and finally can the GK-106 extract the same marvels?
Can this GK-106 extract three levels, a "Ti part" that’s 25-30% than the old GTX560Ti, bettering the 7890 and at $300 but there’s the original 7950 vie close to there also. A GTX660 that’s $200 and wipes the 7850 (I think that’s where the real contest will be). Finally a GTX650 on say 128-Bit 1Gb DDR5 at $150-130 that takes it to the 7770, I think Nvidia will miss that mark?
It would appear Nvidia can make do with just two chip achieving 5 Sku’s between $150-500, AMD using three chips, yielding 6 Sku’s (plus the two extra for the time being) that covers $100-500.
On the same list HD78xx (both cards appear combined) 0.60 % IS less than 680's 0.66%, at least in my universe (and Walternate's). Even in your link 0.74% is more than 0.67%, and so: "And more than both 78xx's conbined too".
Point is, most evidence suggests that Nvidia is selling more 680's than either 79xx's or 78xx's for a higher price and much better margins than AMD sells 7900's. If there's a company subjectively having their asses handed to them, that would be AMD, except none of them is in anything close to a bad situation. Both are selling the cards for much more than it costs them, especially if we compare to previous generations. And especially GK104, is smaller than GF104/114, so it makes up somehow for the 20% higher wafer price, it's 256 bit too, meaning same amount of memory chips, with a similarly simple PCB and components (I don't even know if 670's PCB could be argued as even simpler than GF104). GF104/GF114 cards were never sold for more than 250 euros (in fact I bought my 460 1 month and a half after it was released for just 160). 680 is selling at 500 a pop. So yeah... poor Nvidia. There's one simple reason we don't get the 660 until so late and that's it. Why the hell would they say goodbye to all those super-high margins, when they are selling all the GK104's that TSMC can make? It' sucks for us and I guess someone could be angry at them for, basically, being a company, but that's what it is atm. If it weren't for "bad" initial (new process) yields, and didn't need to harvest, they wouldn't even had released the 670 yet and the fact it was released late, anyway, already tells half the story. The other half is, pretty much, what happens when Nvidia is about to announce the 660? Price cut from AMD, exactly, and what does that do to 670/680? Hint: prices/margins are not going to go up.
Ahuh.... So theoretically how will this fare with a 256-bit 7870 (more or less of the same price) or even with a 256-bit 7850 (which is of course cheaper)? :confused: