Covert_Deathwhat i don't understand is what is sooooo wrong with building just a simple... BAD ASS CPU...

Stop with the gimmicks, your not fooling anyone, ESPECIALLY in the enthusiast market where we are... enthusiastsss. the concept of BD and PD cores are "cool" to an extent but what i really want is just raw power, stop playing games AMD, i want you to make the most efficient CORE that you can and throw 4-8 of them on a single chip. no cutting corners, no sharrrrring between "cores" just make a core as best you can and throw multiple on a chip and sell that bad boy! i'd buy 2 of em day one if they just did things the right way

sorry for the rant but it just doesn't make sense what they are doing... they are trying to compete with hyperthreading (a program essentially) by making twice the cores and then chopping out certain components, this just seems like a bad idea to begin with

ill still buy a PD when they release but only because i have a rock solid 990fx board and need an upgrade and can't afford the ridiculous prices of Intel

I feel you there but that ain't going to happen because mr. rory said its enough.
I was the first one to say to scrap this arc and start from scratch. Better be late than sorry.
If they shrunk the phenom 2 line and done some optimizations, hell they would of got allot more performance than this crap.
But they are just lazy and cheap.

Phenom II's have dragged on for way too long. Bulldozer may not have been what we expected, but way got done is done. AMD in the past made some poor decisions. Anyhow scrapping Bulldozer is utterly ridiculous especially at this time.

We should expect performance improvements as this design becomes more familiar.
Bulldozer > Piledriver > Steamroller > Excavator > Tower-Crane> and so on.

At this point Piledriver performance numbers are all speculation, though I believe it will defeat Bulldozer clock 4 clock at least 10% to 15%. Other sites estimate about 20% to 30%. In about a months time we will finally find out. :

Super XPPhenom II's have dragged on for way too long. Bulldozer may not have been what we expected, but way got done is done. AMD in the past made some poor decisions. Anyhow scrapping Bulldozer is utterly ridiculous especially at this time.

We should expect performance improvements as this design becomes more familiar.
Bulldozer > Piledriver > Steamroller > Excavator > Tower-Crane> and so on.

At this point Piledriver performance numbers are all speculation, though I believe it will defeat Bulldozer clock 4 clock at least 10% to 15%. Other sites estimate about 20% to 30%. In about a months time we will finally find out. :

The good news is that one site claims to have the new fx 8350 and he is going to benchmark it this weekend. Don't know if this is legit but here is the site: www.obr-hardware.com/
He will make a direct comparison between the 8150 and the 8350 at 4.2 Ghz

Ahh OBR. Wasn't he the guy that released a bunch of BD performance figures and it turned out they were projections?

FrickAhh OBR. Wasn't he the guy that released a bunch of BD performance figures and it turned out they were projections?

I don't know. Just found this site while i was surfing.
Maybe he has allot of photoshopping to do. LoL
The die shot looks fake to me though.

AvonXThe die shot looks fake to me though.

Either BD and PD have identical dies (according to my eyes), or that "PD die shot" is just a palette-swapped BD die shot.

VinskaEither BD and PD have identical dies (according to my eyes), or that "PD die shot" is just a palette-swapped BD die shot.

Exactly the way i see it as well.
If you look on the left side of the die there is some type of error there that does not add up.

Pd is a developement of BD so they do indeed as they should, look very similar i do see enough slight deviations from a flipped negative to make me think they may be legit, notably the four dark patches surounding the centres , but could be anything too.

theoneandonlymrkthe four dark patches surounding the centres

Yeah, ive noticed that as well, that is why i think its fake.
It looks to be the same chip but who knows, it could be legit.

AvonXThe good news is that one site claims to have the new fx 8350 and he is going to benchmark it this weekend. Don't know if this is legit but here is the site: www.obr-hardware.com/
He will make a direct comparison between the 8150 and the 8350 at 4.2 Ghz

They should do a clock for clock comparison @ 3.60GHz and 4.20GHz. This looks fake, but who knows, let's see what he comes up with.

I don't think the changes in Piledriver would make the die shot look any different.
Hoping for a perf/W increase for Piledriver over Bulldozer. Just to make it look like an upgrade from Stars family.

Reading his earlier posts on that orb hardware page it all looks like a scam. Already the site itself looks suspisious to say the least. But oh well, we can only wait what he comes up with.

largonI don't think the changes in Piledriver would make the die shot look any different.

If I remember correctly, PD increased the transistor count compared to BD by ~200M and increased the die area a little. (can't find the source ATM, but I read it a bit after this news post was posted. I will try to dig it out later). If that is true, I don't think BD's and PD's die shots should look this similar then.

VinskaIf I remember correctly, PD increased the transistor count compared to BD by ~200M and increased the die area a little. (can't find the source ATM, but I read it a bit after this news post was posted. I will try to dig it out later). If that is true, I don't think BD's and PD's die shots should look this similar then.

First of all wouldn't this guy need a bios to run this thing that he claims to have?
Except if he knows someone that he can provide him that bios, i don't see him running that chip or if it runs it won't be stable at all to test it anyway.
I don't think Asus has released any bios for that board to run a piledriver cpu. (Crosshair V Formula-Z)

OBR does have his sources for unreleased stuff.
I think he works for some distributor or importer.

Personally, I think he's a sensationalist douchebag.
(And by the looks of the site, a silly gun toter)

First test results have been posted, of course with a huge grain of salt. :P
Here it is: www.obr-hardware.com/2012/09/preview-amd-fx-8350-piledriver-last.html
AMD its pretty much dead, and if they will not release other dedicated cpus after this i am switching to intel.
Z77 and 2700k here i come weeee. LoL
What a pile of s... you know the rest. LoL One whole year they haven't even touched this arc.
They just tweaked it and overclocked it, that's it. According to Rory "Its enough" LoL
I hope this is a good excuse to fire that idiot Rory. Lets get it done already.
This idiot is taking AMD to the graveyard.
I would guess Rory's boss won't be happy, this reflects to the servers as well. There goes his stupid talks about "its enough" Its never enough idiot.
Just fire that sucker already.

I can't wait for the youtube videos. LoL

I don't even know why he bothered to make these, we already know how Trinity performs which is using PD modules so basically everyone can make some sort of projection of how Vishera will perform.

And also, people shouldn't expect it being more than 15% faster than BD. It's just a tweaked BD.

Don't pay attention to OBR's "last performance desktop CPU" nonsense.
He can't even write proper english so reading comprehension is prolly as bad, too, and the sources he uses for this claim (eg. the slide he links in the article) do not say anything to support that.

Sensational BS, that's all.

Though, I have no doubts about Piledriver's performance displayed in the aforementioned article.

largonDon't pay attention to OBR's "last performance desktop CPU" nonsense.

Its not whether you like him or not, but it is true.
All the slides and road maps confirms this. This is the last one.
Besides don't you think it would be stupid for AMD to announce this now? They would lose much more sales cause this thing is crap.
Perhaps instead of hating him, you should ask Rory what they have been doing all this time.
They haven't done shit.

So everyone is already crying foul about something that has not been released because someone posted some unconfirmable BS tests? Wow, you guys are a little too sensitive.

I mean I have an FX-8150 and I haven't seen this mythical failure of all that is processor everyone keeps crying about. Show me a real world example of when an FX-8150 complete craps its pants compared to a Sandy Bridge CPU.

AvonXIts not whether you like him or not, but it is true.
All the slides and road maps confirms this. This is the last one.
Besides don't you think it would be stupid for AMD to announce this now? They would lose much more sales cause this thing is crap.
Perhaps instead of hating him, you should ask Rory what they have been doing all this time.
They haven't done shit.

your reasoning isnt very sound, If a guy makes shitter apples then the next man and still sells every last one (at a slightly lower cost) is he then going to stop makeing apples out of some self hateing im not the best vanity, your simply not right:rolleyes:.

and Amd wont stop makeing Cpus, they will allways have some binned chips with non working gfx portions even if they went all APU, which i personally am not expecting for a fair few years anyway, you should start a blog on that site yourself where you bore the pants off people with troll like rants about Amd's demise and rory's shitness, then i might not read it:banghead:.

theoneandonlymrkyour reasoning isnt very sound, If a guy makes shitter apples then the next man and still sells every last one (at a slightly lower cost) is he then going to stop makeing apples out of some self hateing im not the best vanity, your simply not right:rolleyes:.

and Amd wont stop makeing Cpus, they will allways have some binned chips with non working gfx portions even if they went all APU, which i personally am not expecting for a fair few years anyway, you should start a blog on that site yourself where you bore the pants off people with troll like rants about Amd's demise and rory's shitness, then i might not read it:banghead:.

I don't know where you are getting at with this, but the results speak on their own.
Now if you are expecting for something that does not even exist on paper or on a road map, feel free to do so. ;)

So OBR has posted some benchmarks. Ok, so now we know it won't be anything like that. :) Good.












[offtopic]Btw, AvonX, you started off fine (though I would switch the grain of salt by a truck load, considering it's OBR), but spazzing out like that afterwards...yeah, nice show you put on there. Also Z77+2700k doesn't make sense (to me) unless you already have the cpu.[/offtopic]

AvonXIts not whether you like him or not, but it is true.
All the slides and road maps confirms this. This is the last one.
Besides don't you think it would be stupid for AMD to announce this now? They would lose much more sales cause this thing is crap.
Perhaps instead of hating him, you should ask Rory what they have been doing all this time.
They haven't done shit.

Can you point me where AMD confirmed (not some made-up stories) that they are pulling out?

And I fail to see what Rory has anything to do with BD/PD or even SR. He was not in charge when those plans were made. These things take huge amount of time and you don't know for certain what performance you will get.
Give the man some time, no one can change a company in a year.

TheLaughingManSo everyone is already crying foul about something that has not been released because someone posted some unconfirmable BS tests? Wow, you guys are a little too sensitive.

I mean I have an FX-8150 and I haven't seen this mythical failure of all that is processor everyone keeps crying about. Show me a real world example of when an FX-8150 complete craps its pants compared to a Sandy Bridge CPU.

I bet people will expect 50% more performance with PD like it's a completely new architecture and not just a tweaked BD.

However I slightly disagree with the second, any CPU that isn't faster than the previous generation is a failure (The same way Pentium 4 was a failure, the situation here is very similar).
I can tell you now that I compared a 3930k (at stock clocks) vs my 1090T (which has similar performance as the 8150) in PS Lightroom (which is quite a simple program), the difference is massive.
You can check all the benchmarks and the 2600k beats the 8150 in almost everything, sometimes they are very close but don't forget that the 2600k is using much less power for that performance.
And when you start overclocking the power consumption of the 8150 is very high (which also puts a strain on the VRM).

If BD was faster than Phenom II in multithread and even slightly faster in single thread then IMO it wouldn't be a failure.
But since it isn't faster (except MT), those who use a Thuban have no CPU to upgrade to.

Now imagine if Haswell turned out to be slower in single thread than SB/IB and about the same in multithread + having high power consumption. Would you call it a solid CPU? I very much doubt it.