Monday, October 15th 2012

Windows 8 Gets "Overwhelmingly Negative" Response from Vendors, Expectations Plummet

An analyst with Topeka Capital, who was touring Asia, meeting sources among supply chains, brings bad news to Microsoft investors. Analyst Brian White notes that the sentiment (among vendors and parts of the supply chain) about Windows 8 remains "overwhelmingly negative." Expectations from Microsoft's new client operating system plummet, as vendors don't see much activity following the October 26 launch.

"Although October is expected to be the sweet spot for the notebook ramp for Windows 8, and further follow through is likely in November, we were warned of idle facilities in December," notes White. "One of our contacts does not expect Windows 8 to be material until the second-half of 2013," he added. In related news, the industry is also reeling from a disappointing reception from Intel's 2011-12 pet project in the client computing space, Ultrabook. "...the enthusiasm around the Ultrabook ramp has also deteriorated as the cost structure remains too high under Intel's specifications," White notes.Source: Business Insider
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231 Comments on Windows 8 Gets "Overwhelmingly Negative" Response from Vendors, Expectations Plummet

#1
erixx
by: MeanBruce
That’s not showing off. This is showing off:

Maximus V Extreme .......
1. Color matching is easy, my mother does it all the time when making dresses and curtains :)

2. Those pics were taken before you installed all the nasty little cables for USB, fans, front panel audio, etc....


Sooner or later most people will run w8, except those that are still running XP hahaha. Personally I either need it or specially love it, it is just like updating a part or a driver... it is updating, up-dating! It is fun, educational, and maybe even convenient! :p
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#2
PopcornMachine
by: Kantastic
Because he's targeting a demographic that prides itself on tweaking things out of the box...? This is a PC enthusiast forum, from the moment our parts arrive, we start thinking about how to milk it for everything it's worth. We replace coolers, we replace thermal compound, we even replace fans on replacement coolers, and we overclock the shit out of everything, from processors to monitors. Yet, after spending hours upon hours doing all of that, you're bashing Windows 8 because it requires 5 minutes to tweak to make faster than Windows 7? Really? :banghead:
Yeah. That's the only problem with it. No start button. Otherwise it's the best OS ever.

by: PopcornMachine
There is no need for touch screen on a desktop system.

Maybe it's a great OS for tablets, but nothing more than that. I guess they are scared of Apple's interface and think they can take that market away from them. Good luck.

Microsoft is trying to trick/force/cajole people into thinking they need touch screen desktops when they don't.

Would have thought they learned their lesson with the whole Vista debacle, but I guess not.
Thought this might be of interest to those that can read.
After testing both AMD's Radeon HD 7970 and NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 680 on Windows 8 using 19 benchmarks, we can confirm that both Windows 7 and Windows 8 offer the same gaming performance. Some games at low, CPU-limited resolutions show Windows 8 lagging slightly behind Windows 7, which is a sign that there is some mechanism at work here that increases CPU time or otherwise limits the system from sending information to the graphics cards fast enough to achieve higher framerates. This difference is very small though and barely noticeable, especially at higher resolutions like full HD or 2560x1600. The same performance is, at higher resolutions, pretty much the same as in Windows 7. The difference we noticed would be smaller, or go away, with a weaker graphics card at lower resolution as the slower GPU will limit framerates in such a scenario.

In terms of driver quality, I have to commend NVIDIA for releasing a perfect-working, rock stable Windows 8 driver, even though it is still marked as beta. AMD's first Windows 8 WHQL certified driver doesn't do so well here. We spotted a significant performance loss in Crysis 2, limiting maximum FPS to 63 - no matter the resolution. Other games work fine though; this seems to be a limited issue.

Overall, there is no reason to upgrade to Windows 8 just for a performance gain in games. There are certainly other reasons that make the OS upgrade interesting like faster boot time, UEFI support and Storage Spaces. There are, on the other hand, some turnoffs like the Metro UI that many users describe as clunky.

Support for DirectX 11.1 is, at this time, useless because there are no games that support it, nor have games with support been announced.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Microsoft/Windows_8_Graphics_Performance/23.html


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#3
rpsgc
by: Easy Rhino
tpuers should be ashamed of themselves for being so backwards.
As opposed to cheering for a tablet OS on the desktop? Yeah that's so hardcore. Look I can haz big colourful squares on my screen! Awesome. Why don't you just buy an iPad?

The only people who should be ashamed are those few who think too highly of themselves and have no respect for other people or their opinion and thus feel the need to belittle, mock and attack them.

Like calling people here "sheeple" and "noobs".

Grow up.
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#4
TheMailMan78
Big Member
by: rpsgc
As opposed to cheering for a tablet OS on the desktop? Yeah that's so hardcore. Look I can haz big colourful squares on my screen! Awesome. Why don't you just buy an iPad?

The only people who should be ashamed are those few who think too highly of themselves and have no respect for other people or their opinion and thus feel the need to belittle, mock and attack them.

Like calling people here "sheeple" and "noobs".

Grow up.
Someone couldn't find the Right-Click Context Menu.
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#5
3870x2
I for one think the word sheeple is hilarious. Use at your leisure.
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#6
MeanBruce
by: erixx
1. Color matching is easy, my mother does it all the time when making dresses and curtains :)

2. Those pics were taken before you installed all the nasty little cables for USB, fans, front panel audio, etc....
Ok, ya got me, I did not install the front audio or usb, but thats just a simple tuck in from below the mobo, no clutter at all. all fans are plugged in and working.

Thanks for watching.:)
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#7
trickson
OH, I have such a headache
Windows 7 FTW!!
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#8
Dos101
by: PopcornMachine
Yeah. That's the only problem with it. No start button. Otherwise it's the best OS ever.
Aweful lot of complaining about what small thing then :rolleyes: They took the Start Menu from the corner and made it a screen, once people suck it up and get over the change they'll realize how much it can benefit them.

by: KainXS
this has nothing to do with tech communities like ours who have shown resistance for whatever reason, this is about casual users(especially older ones) do not like 8, after showing it to like 11 "normal" people only 2 liked it, the did not know how to use it or did not like it, they probably did their own tests to see if "normal" people take a liking to it and the results were bad.

this is what I have seen

but for tablets it works very well, after using one.

I personally might use it though as it did give me a little boost and is a cheap upgrade, other than that thats all it is.
Umm, I've been seeing the exact opposite reaction. People are excited for Windows 8 as it's much more straight foreword for the average user to use. People are starting to get bored of the IOS interface of the iPad and iPhone and are looking for something different, and are taking notice of Windows 8/Phone. Context is everything, so if you're showing it to regular people in a negative context, of course they're going to side with you :laugh:
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#9
EarthDog
by: Easy Rhino
fine, stick with your older and slower operating system. it took me 5 minutes to find a start menu, install it and have it working. tpuers should be ashamed of themselves for being so backwards.
LOL... Yeah the 'performance' upgrades are astounding. I should rush out right now and buy it so I can.................wait what did you claim it does again? :confused:


SHeeple, Sheeple... listen a minute... (I just had to use sheeple, sorry! hahah!)
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#10
Dos101
by: EarthDog
LOL... Yeah the 'performance' upgrades are astounding. I should rush out right now and buy it so I can.................wait what did you claim it does again? :confused:
The faster startup/shutdown times and better battery life (on laptops/tablets) have already been documented, gaming performance will increase with more mature drivers. Isn't this stuff common sense anymore?
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#11
PopcornMachine
by: Dos101
Aweful lot of complaining about what small thing then :rolleyes: They took the Start Menu from the corner and made it a screen, once people suck it up and get over the change they'll realize how much it can benefit them.
Apparently you can't recognize sarcasm without a rolling eyes smilie.

And thought this was a smart forum.
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#12
ShadowXP
I find it hilarious that Win8 is being damned as much as it does by people that probably didn't spend more than 5 minutes of being confused after they installed it before wiping the system and going back to Win7.

It's pretty much the EXACT same story as what happened when Windows 95 came out (Gahdamnit, now I feel old, too! :banghead: ) People went nuts back then, since they were ripped from their comfortzone that they had in Win3.11/DOS6.22. And let's face it: Geeks & Nerds don't like it when things change too fast and too much.

Hell, the ONLY thing that I've found so far that doesn't work is IL2: Cliffs of Dover. Which, incidentally, hasn't been all that good at all for anyone, regardless of system, since 1C had MAJOR poo hit the rotary atmosphere agitators with that one :D
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#13
Ferrum Master
Well I am sitting on it since august... it still buggy as hell... I do it for compatibility testing to help other people with certain programs and be ready for the shit, you know what I mean...

And I miss Aero... I miss gadgets and that exMetro thing I still use it as plain start menu not paying attention to that app crap... I don't dare to input my m$ account and log my personal data somewhere in hell...
My desktop and launched programs is my main concern on PERSONAL COMPUTER God dammit... it ain't a phone where it is welcome...

BTW Win 95 at start wasn't usable also... until OSR2+ came out ;)
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#14
3870x2
by: Dos101
The faster startup/shutdown times and better battery life (on laptops/tablets) have already been documented, gaming performance will increase with more mature drivers. Isn't this stuff common sense anymore?
I will say that if win7 was stripped down as much as 8 is, it would boot as fast if not faster I bet (having to load the metro on top takes longer)
The OS isnt really optimized in speed within the system, it is just more stripped down, less services and such that launch automatically compared to 7.

I am not sure better drivers will help anything. AFAIK the drivers are the same for each architecturally, so there cant really be any performance increase.

sheeple!
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#15
TheMailMan78
Big Member
by: 3870x2
I will say that if win7 was stripped down as much as 8 is, it would boot as fast if not faster I bet (having to load the metro on top takes longer)
The OS isnt really optimized in speed within the system, it is just more stripped down, less services and such that launch automatically compared to 7.

I am not sure better drivers will help anything. AFAIK the drivers are the same for each architecturally, so there cant really be any performance increase.

sheeple!
I doubt drivers will make much of a difference. However the fact that Windows 8 has way less overhead in resources might translate into some gaming improvement over the long run.

Noob, Sheeple.
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#16
Wrigleyvillain
PTFO or GTFO
by: MeanBruce
That’s not showing off. This is showing off:

Maximus V Extreme 3770K 4.8Ghz Dominator GT 2133Mhz, extended heat sink fins

Less than 10db auditory output, 27C CPU idle with H100

...and you should see my girlfriend, oh my.:D
First of all, get some real cooling. And as for seeing your gf, I think we just did.
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#17
Ferrum Master
by: Wrigleyvillain
First of all, get some real cooling. And as for seeing your gf, I think we just did.
Well I think it would be great to have monthly miss TPU :D

Let Cristian_25H do the judge work... he often picks up some fine girls in his news...

And this CASE, we don't have rig of the month also like guru3d guys have also... cmoon, breathe some life here... :D
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#18
BarbaricSoul
by: iLLz
For everyone complaining about the lack of Start Menu, I just don't understand what you need it for. Even Microsoft found that noone launched applications from their anymore with the exception of certain things like Control Panel, and Administrative Tasks.
The start menu is the primary way I start programs, so I guess I'm noone? :shadedshu
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#19
Arctucas
by: Easy Rhino
fine, stick with your older and slower operating system. it took me 5 minutes to find a start menu, install it and have it working. tpuers should be ashamed of themselves for being so backwards.
Show me how to permanently disable/remove the Metro UI and Windows Store...
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#20
UbErN00b
I actually see touchscreen for desktop computers taking over traditional mouse and keyboard input methods, I don't think it will be restricted to phones and tablets any longer, even though touch screen monitors have been around for a number of years, no desktop OS has ever provided the UI to be able to utlise touchscreen before now. It is more intuitive than traditional mouse and keyboard inputs and to be honest I am surprised it's taken something like Windows 8 to make it mainstream for desktop computing.

I can tell you one thing, even for desktop computing, touchscreen will become the norm with mouse and keyboard still being used only for legacy applications, gaming etc.
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#21
xenocide
by: Dos101
The faster startup/shutdown times and better battery life (on laptops/tablets) have already been documented, gaming performance will increase with more mature drivers. Isn't this stuff common sense anymore?
I don't think anyone is arguing that Windows 8 isn't optimized well for LaptopsTablets, but the gaming performance gains remain to be seen. I remember when people swore Vista would get dozens of times better when it came to performance, it would just take a bit--apparently they meant when it was replaced by Windows 7 :laugh:

I see no reason to upgrade to Windows 8, maybe next build I do will use it, but as of now it seems pointless.
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#22
Syborfical
Windows 8 is a great thing. If its half as crap as windows Vista it will mean more uses will try other options. Mac OS and or Linux. A few people I know left windows behind after windows Vista and now run Desktop BSD and or Debian etc.

So don't look at windows 8 as a steaming pile of .....
Just look at it as giving people a reason to look for another desktop operating system...

All people really need is valve and a few other big developers to poor some money in to an open and free API that is like direct X for Linux. Once there are games on another platform watch people leave in droves.
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#23
Dos101
by: xenocide
I don't think anyone is arguing that Windows 8 isn't optimized well for LaptopsTablets, but the gaming performance gains remain to be seen. I remember when people swore Vista would get dozens of times better when it came to performance, it would just take a bit--apparently they meant when it was replaced by Windows 7 :laugh:

I see no reason to upgrade to Windows 8, maybe next build I do will use it, but as of now it seems pointless.
Ya I understand that point of view. In the end it's going to come down to what I was talking about earlier, ecosystem. Some people (like myself) will benefit greatly from such an integrated ecosystem MS is creating, and that's why some will upgrade and some will not.
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#24
hellrazor
by: Syborfical
All people really need is valve and a few other big developers to poor [sic] some money in to an open and free API that is like direct X for Linux.
Yeah, it's called OpenGL + SDL. Problem solved.
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#25
NC37
Overwhelmingly negative after its been getting trashed all over the net for months?! Wow, whoda thunk it!!
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