Wednesday, October 17th 2012

AMD FX "Vishera" Processors Launch Pricing Surprises

According to new reports, AMD's next-generation FX "Vishera" processors built on its "Piledriver" architecture could surprise buyers with pricing, in a similar way to the A-Series "Trinity." AMD's FX "Vishera" socket AM3+ processors will not exceed US $200, according to the report. The launch pricing (along with specifications compiled from older reports) reportedly looks like this:
  • AMD FX-8350 - $199: 8 cores, 4.00~4.20 GHz with TurboCore, 16 MB total cache
  • AMD FX-8320 - $175: 8 cores, 3.50~4.00 GHz with TurboCore, 16 MB total cache
  • AMD FX-6300 - $135: 6 cores, 3.50~4.10 GHz with TurboCore, 14 MB total cache
  • AMD FX-4300 - $125: 4 cores, 3.80~4.00 GHz with TurboCore, 8 MB total cache

Source: VR-Zone
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41 Comments on AMD FX "Vishera" Processors Launch Pricing Surprises

#1
1d10t
great,i see my future predecessor :toast:
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#2
Zubasa
At those prices I might just trade-in my 8150 for a 8350 and see what have changed :laugh:
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#3
badtaylorx
my 8150 overclocks like $h!t......Ill gladly pay 200 to upgrade
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#4
Norton
WCG-TPU Team Captain
Nice pricing- we'll see what happens when they are actually in stock.....

Is 10/23 still the launch date?
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#5
ooiman92
4ghz at .9v generates 125W? O.O
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#6
Inceptor
by: ooiman92
4ghz at .9v generates 125W? O.O
125W is the TDP not the power consumption. So, it's somewhere between 96 and 125W.
Don't forget there's 8 integer cores in the thing.
According to Cpu world, the 8 core Opteron 6300s @ 3.2 Ghz have a 115W TDP... so based on that possible number, the 8350 sucks in close to 125W with all 8 cores at load, at 4 Ghz.
http://www.cpu-world.com/info/AMD/AMD_Opteron_6300_series.html

Nice low pricing, if true. But considering the problems AMD has been having retaining key people, maybe they're looking for a bump in unit sales numbers for their next shareholder meeting.
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#7
seronx
by: ooiman92
4ghz at .9v generates 125W? O.O
4.0 GHz @ 1.4V consumes around and above 140 watts. (If a 1.4V chip is bad it has been measured to go up to 180Ws of consumption)

4.0 GHz @ 1.4Vs = ~140Ws, TDP: ~125 Watts <-- most FX-8350s (Low Leakage)
4.0 GHz @ 0.9Vs = ~90Ws TDP: ~125 Watts <-- This FX-8350 (High Leakage)
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#8
Isenstaedt
Low pricing? I expect underwhelming performance.
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#9
ooiman92
by: seronx
4.0 GHz @ 1.4V consumes around and above 140 watts. (If a 1.4V chip is bad it has been measured to go up to 180Ws of consumption)

4.0 GHz @ 1.4Vs = ~140Ws, TDP: ~125 Watts <-- most FX-8350s (Low Leakage)
4.0 GHz @ 0.9Vs = ~90Ws TDP: ~125 Watts <-- This FX-8350 (High Leakage)
Oh okay, thanks. I would expect much lower from a lower voltage part though. Isn't leakage the other way around? Higher leakage = higher voltage?
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#10
seronx
by: Isenstaedt
Low pricing? I expect underwhelming performance.
If that was true the FX-8350 would be launching under $100.
$200 / 2 = $100

Lest we forget an industry standard benchmark. :roll:
(PhysX 2.x = x87 on CPUs)
by: ooiman92
Higher leakage = higher voltage?
Higher leakage means the nodes are inefficient so more power is wasted and converted to heat. Higher voltages mean more heat and lower voltages mean less heat. With that in mind having a high leakage part run at a high voltage is counter-productive.
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[H]@RD5TUFF
by: Isenstaedt
Low pricing? I expect underwhelming performance.
Same, but I will likely grab an 8350 to replace my 8150, prolly not at launch though.
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#12
seronx
by: [H]@RD5TUFF
Same, but I will likely grab an 8350 to replace my 8150, prolly not at launch though.
Wait for Vishera 2.0, I recommend you wait for the most mature CPU that will be on the AM3+ platform.
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#13
[H]@RD5TUFF
by: seronx
Wait for Vishera 2.0, I recommend you wait for the most mature CPU that will be on the AM3+ platform.
I'm not in any hurry, it's for a media/storage server/ htpc, and the 8150 works just fine as it is (aside from running hot and being a little underpowered for my tastes), I may just wait till AM3+ is phased out which isn't far away according to AMD, and grab a new chip when everyone upgrades.
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#14
Irony
It would be nice if they had this pricing as well as performance that theyre supposed to.
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[H]@RD5TUFF
by: Irony
It would be nice if they had this pricing as well as performance that theyre supposed to.
unlikely IMO, I would be surprised if these provided any appreciable difference over the current gen of faildozer chips.
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#16
seronx
by: [H]@RD5TUFF
unlikely IMO, I would be surprised if these provided any appreciable difference over the current gen of faildozer chips.
There is some benefits.

Whitepaper performance.
Working integer DIV unit.
MMX units actually execute instructions.
Some physical changes to the architecture as well to make it more efficient.

Other than that Bulldozer, Piledriver, Steamroller, Excavator will all have the same GFlops per clock/per core.
Bulldozer: 8 units * 4 SP * 2 FMA * 3.6 GHz = 230.4 GFlops <-- Zambezi(Oroch B/01h)
Piledriver: 8 units * 4 SP * 2 FMA * 4 GHz = 256 GFlops <-- Vishera(Orochi C/02h)
Steamroller: 8 units * 4 SP * 2 FMA * 4.4 GHz = 281.6 GFlops <-- Vishera 2.0(Orochi E/04h)
Excavator: 8 units * 4 SP * 2 FMA * 4.8 GHz = 307.2 GFlops <-- N/A(Viperfish A or B/20h or 21h)
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#17
geon
please stop it with the superpi

Guys, please stop it with the SuperPi as it has no practical use.

Most demanding work for my cpu is handbrake and of course games, although most games hardly use more than 2 cores so ... they are not so demanding on the cpu.

I think these cpu's will be pretty nice, if priced apropriatly.
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#18
seronx
by: geon
Guys, please stop it with the SuperPi as it has no practical use.
Sorry, it was me :roll:.

x87 is still being used today because software is a decade behind hardware.
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#19
NC37
Hmmm...$200 huh...well if they finally surpass the Phenom IIs then replacing my old 945 will be nice.
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#20
nt300
Good price and hope it passes the PIIs this time.
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#21
Super XP
by: badtaylorx
my 8150 overclocks like $h!t......Ill gladly pay 200 to upgrade
Overclocks like $hit?. How is that even possible. My FX 8120 runs @ 4.40GHz with all 8-Cores and low 1.375v (minor voltage bump) Rock Stable. 24/7. I was converting a large homemade film MOV to AVI while playing DOOM III BFG and all 8-Cores were taxed 100% and my 16GB of Dual Channel Ram was being taxed 80%. My game payed like warm butter. My Bulldozer runs COOL, does not break above 56C. The only time my PC froze for a second was just before the video finished converting.

These prices are well??? It may be an indication on how they perform, or AMD is trying to spark new life in sales. Either way, if they get that rumoured 15% performance improvement clock 4 clock, I'm in.
by: Norton
Nice pricing- we'll see what happens when they are actually in stock.....
Is 10/23 still the launch date?
AMD plans to formally unwrap its long-awaited performance chip code-named Vishera on the 23th of October , according to a source.
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#22
Hits9Nine
by: NC37
Hmmm...$200 huh...well if they finally surpass the Phenom IIs then replacing my old 945 will be nice.
I always laugh when I hear people state what was said above. The PH2's are good but they are outclassed by the FX81##.

I own 955BE, 965BE, 1045t,1090t BE, and an FX8120, and the FX8120 is way better than all of the prev CPU's listed.

I still own all the prev CPU's too, so if they were better I would be using them in my main GAMING RIG, but I am not.

My FX8120 @ 4.8ghz is very satisfying, kind of makes me forget about my i7 3820...sometimes, just sometimes.

Can't wait for Piledriver, even if its only 10-15% better.
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#23
trickson
OH, I have such a headache
WOW! The prices are really great! I maybe looking at a new build soon!
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#24
Jizzler
Makes for a very tempting upgrade! Just wish there were some AM3+ mITX boards as I could trickle down my FX8120 to the wife. Without one available I'll probably just keep what I have (overclock it so it feels like an upgrade, new GPU) and get her an i3.
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#25
Irony
by: Jizzler
Makes for a very tempting upgrade! Just wish there were some AM3+ mITX boards as I could trickle down my FX8120 to the wife. Without one available I'll probably just keep what I have (overclock it so it feels like an upgrade, new GPU) and get her an i3.
I know, you could trickle it down to me! :roll: :slap:
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