Thursday, October 25th 2012

No Service Pack 2 for Windows 7: Report

Microsoft has no plans to release a new service pack (SP) for Windows 7. Sources at Microsoft's engineering team told The Register that breaking precedent (of releasing a new SP every 2 or so years), Microsoft will not release SP2 (service pack 2) for the operating system. Apart from being a collection of important software updates over a period, a service pack allows Microsoft to introduce major updates to key components of the operating system, such as its kernel. Apparently, Microsoft's Windows team is too busy with Windows 8, and it is observed that by choosing to not release an SP, Microsoft could be pushing users to its newer OS. Instead of newer SPs for Windows 7, Microsoft will release timely updates for Windows 7 SP1 over Windows Update, till the operating system's support lifetime runs out (that's January 2020).

Source: The Register
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98 Comments on No Service Pack 2 for Windows 7: Report

#1
bmaverick
Keeping with Win-7/64 is good.

Not happy about the Win-8 in the cloud, less privacy and more of pay-as-you go. More to bleed the end-user dry. Win-8 will be more like driving toll roads than a freeway.
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#3
drdeathx
by: nt300
Trying to push people to go Windows 8 :confused: This strategy will make people stay away from Windows 8. Whos running the company :cool:

Windows 8 looks like the new Vista imo.
It is called streamlining
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#4
Prima.Vera
So much hate.
We have a word here, "If is not broken, why need fixing?". As a previews link was posted before, all updates until now can be downloaded in an .iso file from MS website. Besides, why do you need a new SP? Maybe one will be release later that will remove the start button and add the Metro interface...Happy? :))
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#5
Dos101
by: bmaverick
Keeping with Win-7/64 is good.

Not happy about the Win-8 in the cloud, less privacy and more of pay-as-you go. More to bleed the end-user dry. Win-8 will be more like driving toll roads than a freeway.
Care to explain? They don't force you to save anything in the cloud, and what pay as you go are you talking about?
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#6
H82LUZ73
by: Dos101
Care to explain? They don't force you to save anything in the cloud, and what pay as you go are you talking about?
He must think that the apps in the store need to be bought all the time,Or Sky Drive is pay as you go.Really wish they would download the preview and try it before they make judgment calls like that.I can see the other`s that are stuck on 7.... I was too until Aug 15 .
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#8
PopcornMachine
A service pack is just a glorified set of patches.

As long as the maintain it and keep make the fixes that need to be made, I don't see a problem.

Probably just trying to scare people into moving to 8.
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#9
Mussels
Moderprator
kinda sucks. if i reinstall an OS i dont really want to be forced to download several hours of updates for each machine.
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#10
newtekie1
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by: Mussels
kinda sucks. if i reinstall an OS i dont really want to be forced to download several hours of updates for each machine.
That is why Microsoft puts all the updates on a DVD for you that you can just download once.:D
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#11
Mussels
Moderprator
by: newtekie1
That is why Microsoft puts all the updates on a DVD for you that you can just download once.:D
which makes me hurrdurr because thats a service pack
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#12
Gzero
by: newtekie1
That is why Microsoft puts all the updates on a DVD for you that you can just download once.:D
Yay got to download 3.3gb worth of patches, not all relevant to my OS?

Service packs made it easy to make new more upto date install discs/usbs. Having to pick apart an update disc is inconvenient.
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#13
trickson
OH, I have such a headache
by: jboydgolfer
Great MS , So you've decided that buying ONE of your OS's isn't enough?
We{consumer} need to Re-up our OS as SOON as you put out a New one? Bull Sh@t!
I JUST installed 7 on my New PC build , about 8 month's ago , and till then I ran XP from it's beginning. Some people Don't want the New Software , we just want What is Comfortable , and Easiest/Familiar. IMO , this is a VERY Scummy move by MS , I am unsure as to how much of an effect it will have on the performance of 7, but if it is a Large negative impact , then I would say I definitely stand behind my Previous statement's.If not , well then I guess it's not such a big deal. Although as a final thought , a Company need's to realize that keeping up the support for their product's is the MAIN goal , and developing new product's is a Secondary Goal. Atleast as far as Customer /Software support is concerned.
You said it friend! :respect: I am standing behind you 100%..
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#14
eidairaman1
im gonna have to get a SP1 disk myself because when I got 7, SP1 wasnt out yet
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newtekie1
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by: Mussels
which makes me hurrdurr because thats a service pack
No it isn't, that would be an Update Roll-up. As the first post in this thread points out, a service pack allows major updates to key components of the OS, basically directly changing the kernel. Also, they generally implement new features. For example SP1 added support for AVX, something a standard patch wouldn't be able to do.

by: Gzero
Yay got to download 3.3gb worth of patches, not all relevant to my OS?

Service packs made it easy to make new more upto date install discs/usbs. Having to pick apart an update disc is inconvenient.
Have you looked at the DVD? It is a total of 7 Windows 7 update packages that you have to "pick through" all logically labelled on the DVD. How terrible that must be pick through...

Yeah, downloading 3.3GB sucks, but it is a lot better than sitting there and downloading 100 patches every time you re-install. Plus you get all the Vista and XP patches, which saves me so much time when I'm repairing computers at work.

by: trickson
You said it friend! :respect: I am standing behind you 100%..
Except it makes no sense. They aren't stopping support of Win 7, and it isn't going to negatively effect performance. So his argument has no valid points.
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#16
trickson
OH, I have such a headache
by: newtekie1
Except it makes no sense. They aren't stopping support of Win 7, and it isn't going to negatively effect performance. So his argument has no valid points.
I think it does. :wtf:
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newtekie1
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by: trickson
I think it does. :wtf:
Why? You believe that because there won't be a SP2 that we all must use Win8 or Microsoft is somehow forcing us to move to Win8? How so?
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#18
trickson
OH, I have such a headache
by: newtekie1
Why? You believe that because there won't be a SP2 that we all must use Win8 or Microsoft is somehow forcing us to move to Win8? How so?
All. ;)
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#19
micropage7
by: newtekie1
Why? You believe that because there won't be a SP2 that we all must use Win8 or Microsoft is somehow forcing us to move to Win8? How so?
actually i think this is one of microsoft strategy to "push" people go to win 8 when MS says that the new OS is much better than win 7 :D
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#20
Wile E
Power User
by: newtekie1
No it isn't, that would be an Update Roll-up. As the first post in this thread points out, a service pack allows major updates to key components of the OS, basically directly changing the kernel. Also, they generally implement new features. For example SP1 added support for AVX, something a standard patch wouldn't be able to do.



Have you looked at the DVD? It is a total of 7 Windows 7 update packages that you have to "pick through" all logically labelled on the DVD. How terrible that must be pick through...

Yeah, downloading 3.3GB sucks, but it is a lot better than sitting there and downloading 100 patches every time you re-install. Plus you get all the Vista and XP patches, which saves me so much time when I'm repairing computers at work.



Except it makes no sense. They aren't stopping support of Win 7, and it isn't going to negatively effect performance. So his argument has no valid points.
There's no reason that kernel changes or other major updates have to be done in a Service Pack. They can do those in regular patches as well.
by: trickson
All. ;)
I'm with newtekie on this? How is this forcing you to 8? 7 is still fully supported, and will still get regular updates. You just aren't going to get them in a single package. But you will still get them all.

Sure, it might make misinformed people think they have to switch, but those of us with a little knowledge know that simply isn't true.
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#21
Inceptor
by: micropage7
actually i think this is one of microsoft strategy to "push" people go to win 8 when MS says that the new OS is much better than win 7 :D
They can't push people into it...
New computers will have it pre-installed. That's all that Microsoft needs to do.
They can't shut down updates to Win 7, because now, all their corporate customers with millions of clients and servers running Server 2003 and Win XP will be moving up to Server 2008 and Win 7 (if they haven't already). Updates till 2020; if there's no significant update to the Windows operating system, after Win 8, Win 7 will probably have its update cutoff extended, because those corporate customers won't jump to a newer version of the kernel unless there's a significant reason to do so. If that happens, there will be a SP2, at some point.
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#22
Isenstaedt
It just feels to me like a way to discourage people to get Windows 7 and get Windows 8 instead.
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#23
eidairaman1
only time anyone has to really move to a newer os is when its EOL.

I probably wont get W8 till SP1 appears unless if 9 shows up
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#24
H82LUZ73
by: newtekie1
No it isn't, that would be an Update Roll-up. As the first post in this thread points out, a service pack allows major updates to key components of the OS, basically directly changing the kernel. Also, they generally implement new features. For example SP1 added support for AVX, something a standard patch wouldn't be able to do.



Have you looked at the DVD? It is a total of 7 Windows 7 update packages that you have to "pick through" all logically labelled on the DVD. How terrible that must be pick through...

Yeah, downloading 3.3GB sucks, but it is a lot better than sitting there and downloading 100 patches every time you re-install. Plus you get all the Vista and XP patches, which saves me so much time when I'm repairing computers at work.



Except it makes no sense. They aren't stopping support of Win 7, and it isn't going to negatively effect performance. So his argument has no valid points.
by: eidairaman1
im gonna have to get a SP1 disk myself because when I got 7, SP1 wasnt out yet
by: Wile E
There's no reason that kernel changes or other major updates have to be done in a Service Pack. They can do those in regular patches as well.


I'm with newtekie on this? How is this forcing you to 8? 7 is still fully supported, and will still get regular updates. You just aren't going to get them in a single package. But you will still get them all.

Sure, it might make misinformed people think they have to switch, but those of us with a little knowledge know that simply isn't true.
newtekie1 first replay
Yeah they seem to have forgotten that you can slipstream kb articles to the main DVD....

eidairaman1 second reply
Yes just find a good solid ISO and use the box key you already have...Just make sure the hash numbers match mine and the name of the iso....

WilE

They just do not have the man power,It is a recession after all,You think Mr.Gates wants to take a hit in his lifestyle? (just imagine his $8.5 million dollar house property tax.....)And Windows8 is a new hardware/driver support under neath the so called just Win7 that some of them think it is,why else would they have = performance in August and yet AMD claims speed of 25% boost with 12.11beta.They were working on Win7 and Win8.It hurt both OS for the last 6 months.

I would love to see them put a similar dvd out just for Windows7....BUT that will cost more money. And for DX11.1 you guys would be or are lucky enough just to get IE10 you know.
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Wile E
Power User
by: H82LUZ73
newtekie1 first replay
Yeah they seem to have forgotten that you can slipstream kb articles to the main DVD....

eidairaman1 second reply
Yes just find a good solid ISO and use the box key you already have...Just make sure the hash numbers match mine and the name of the iso....

WilE

They just do not have the man power,It is a recession after all,You think Mr.Gates wants to take a hit in his lifestyle? (just imagine his $8.5 million dollar house property tax.....)And Windows8 is a new hardware/driver support under neath the so called just Win7 that some of them think it is,why else would they have = performance in August and yet AMD claims speed of 25% boost with 12.11beta.They were working on Win7 and Win8.It hurt both OS for the last 6 months.

I would love to see them put a similar dvd out just for Windows7....BUT that will cost more money. And for DX11.1 you guys would be or are lucky enough just to get IE10 you know.
Wait, what does that have to do with my statements? I wasn't disagreeing with their decision.
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