Thursday, November 1st 2012

Top Intel Ivy Bridge-E Core Processors To Still Pack Six Cores

Intel's 2011-launched Core i7 "Sandy Bridge-E" HEDT platform is based on a 32 nm silicon that's common with Xeon E5 series processors. While the silicon physically packs eight CPU cores and 20 MB last-level cache (LLC, or L3 cache), client Core i7 processors are configured with only a maximum of six cores, and up to 15 MB L3 cache. According to a MyDrivers.com report, the maximum core count won't change with next-generation 22 nm Ivy Bridge-E Core i7 processors.

Ivy Bridge-E will be an upscale of Ivy Bridge. Similar to Sandy Bridge-E, the silicon will feature up to eight cores and 20 MB L3 cache. In its Core i7 avatar, however, the chip will be configured with no more than six cores, and no more than 15 MB L3 cache. The new chip will introduce IPC improvements, PCI-Express Gen 3.0 certified root complex (one which NVIDIA will approve of), higher CPU core clock speeds, and support for faster memory.

TDP could be the only reason Intel isn't willing to unlock cores 7 and 8 on client processors. Eight core, 20 MB LLC-laden Xeon E5 models based on today's 32 nm silicon, with 130W TDP, barely manage to scrape the 3.00 GHz mark. Given that, the prospects for Ivy Bridge-E client CPUs to run with all cores and LLC enabled, and yet deliver higher clock speeds than predecessors were always going to be low.

Intel Core i7 "Ivy Bridge-E" HEDT processors are compatible with existing socket LGA2011 motherboards (subject to BIOS update), and are slated for Q3-2013.
Source: MyDrivers
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111 Comments on Top Intel Ivy Bridge-E Core Processors To Still Pack Six Cores

#26
dude12564
PopcornMachineNot me. I blame NVIDIA for not making CPUs at all! :laugh:
Wait for ARM...
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#27
theeldest
FordGT90ConceptMaybe Intel has realized that there is no demand for tons of cores on desktop computers. Fewer cores with higher clockspeeds yield better real world performance in most circumstances than more cores.
Or they want a clear incentive to move to a 'workstation' platform with Xeons instead of Core processors. Especially as they can charge quite a bit more than people will pay for 'consumer' quality.
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#28
dude12564
theeldestOr they want a clear incentive to move to a 'workstation' platform with Xeons instead of Core processors. Especially as they can charge quite a bit more than people will pay for 'consumer' quality.
This. Xeons have a large price premium.
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#30
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
PopcornMachineNot me. I blame NVIDIA for not making CPUs at all! :laugh:
They do make CPUs, they're called Tegra. They make Atom Z-series look like the AMD Bulldozer of the mobile world.
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#31
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
btarunrThey do make CPUs, they're called Tegra. They make Atom Z-series look like the AMD Bulldozer of the mobile world.
Better way to phrase that. They look like the Pentium 4 of the mobile world. At least in the occasional app Bulldozer worked. The Atom's just straight up suck.
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#32
Wile E
Power User
Well, looks like I'm riding it out on the 980x until the next biggest thing. I'm not going to upgrade my entire platform for slightly better IPC. I want more cores to go with it.
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#33
HammerON
The Watchful Moderator
Wile EWell, looks like I'm riding it out on the 980x until the next biggest thing. I'm not going to upgrade my entire platform for slightly better IPC. I want more cores to go with it.
Although I do not have the EE version (only a 970) I feel the same way. I am getting tired of waiting though...
Bring on the 8 cores please:)
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#34
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
HammerONAlthough I do not have the EE version (only a 970) I feel the same way. I am getting tired of waiting though...
Bring on the 8 cores please
AMD has an 8-core processor. :D

In all seriousness, if you need an 8-core Intel processor why aren't you running a work station with a 2P board or do you have 6 cores just for shits and giggles and have no real application that benefits from it?

I got the 3820 because it was practical, performed just as well as the K edition chips on 1155, it has VT-d (something that k-edition 1155 chips do not have,) and because I wanted a platform that I could upgrade easily if I ever needed to. So far it has not disappointed me. I needed room for plenty of memory expansion because I run a number of virtual machines. I've occasionally found myself using 12/16Gb at least once a week with a typical usage around 4Gb at idle and 8Gb with my normal VMs open.
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#35
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
cdawallBetter way to phrase that. They look like the Pentium 4 of the mobile world. At least in the occasional app Bulldozer worked. The Atom's just straight up suck.
Intel Atom reminds me of what the original Pentium was
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#36
NeoXF
My guess is once AMD releases a 5-6 module/10-12 core (or 3-4 core per module variant) Steamroller, Intel might rethink releasing a 8 core IVB-E...
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#37
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
NeoXFMy guess is once AMD releases a 5-6 module/10-12 core (or 3-4 core per module variant) Steamroller, Intel might rethink releasing a 8 core IVB-E...
considering on the dev side of AMD SR is the main focus since Vishera is an Interim product
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#38
NeoXF
eidairaman1considering on the dev side of AMD SR is the main focus since Vishera is an Interim product
I know, that's what I'm saying... not that Vishera turned out to be too shabby itself (sign of things to come?).

BTW, can anyone tell me, as I've asked before, but forgot to check for replies, what Vishera 2.0 and/or Trinity 2.0 (and some other name I totally forgot) are all about?
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#39
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
NeoXFI know, that's what I'm saying... not that Vishera turned out to be too shabby itself (sign of things to come?).

BTW, can anyone tell me, as I've asked before, but forgot to check for replies, what Vishera 2.0 and/or Trinity 2.0 (and some other name I totally forgot) are all about?
those are probably stepping revisions of the initial product, sort of like how Phenom II 965 BE had 2 different models (140 W, 125W, and subsequent 955-980s were all C3 stepping).

but ya this is about Intel here so if you want to discuss about the AMD create a new topic dude
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#40
NeoXF
Point is... Intel sucks.
...LOL, no exactly, they all suck, just some less.

There's a long way 'till IVB-E, as Intel stated some time ago. In the meantime, Haswell, and hopefully FX Steamroller will take away a lot if not all, of it's thunder, 8 cores or not (X89 boards might be interesting tho, if that's how they'll be called).
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#41
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
idk im honestly not worried about IVB-E having 6 cores, however i feel that skt 2011 should have atleast 1 more CPU gen after IVB-E, aka HSW-E.
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#42
Prima.Vera
qubitThis sucks and is directly because of the lack of competition from AMD. No way am I buying a CPU with two cores disabled.
My words exactly!
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#43
NeoXF
Prima.VeraMy words exactly!
Lack of competion from AMD... or the existance of idiots that are willing to pay a colossal premium for a tiny improvement (that most don't really need, or just isn't there anyway... ie gamers)... hence, Intel sees no reason to improve on that regard, beyond the measly IPC improvements IB brought that is... I'm a split between the 2... or maybe it's a mix of both.

IMHO, If AMD managed to convince board makers to do dual-socket AM3+s... they might have ~$400 SB-E/IB-E killers on their hands easy, for the time being. Like the "quick fix" (failed at that time) dual FX-7xs "quad" cores, back in 2006(?).
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#44
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
NeoXFLack of competion from AMD... or the existance of idiots that are willing to pay a colossal premium for a tiny improvement (that most don't really need, or just isn't there anyway... ie gamers)... hence, Intel sees no reason to improve on that regard, beyond the measly IPC improvements IB brought that is... I'm a split between the 2... or maybe it's a mix of both.

IMHO, If AMD managed to convince board makers to do dual-socket AM3+s... they might have ~$400 SB-E/IB-E killers on their hands easy, for the time being. Like the "quick fix" (failed at that time) dual FX-7xs "quad" cores, back in 2006(?).
Notice how long SkullTrail Lasted (Not long at all)
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#45
NeoXF
eidairaman1Notice how long SkullTrail Lasted (Not long at all)
Exactly. But for "instant" adopters (usually smart people who did their research... OK, on occasion, kiddies with a ton of their parent's money that thought that was to path to the fastest gaming machine) of these solutions, it did turn out to be worthwhile... especially now that we can finally say that software is multi-core(thread) aware...
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#46
hardcore_gamer
FordGT90ConceptMaybe Intel has realized that there is no demand for tons of cores on desktop computers. Fewer cores with higher clockspeeds yield better real world performance in most circumstances than more cores.
yet they create 48 core processor for mobile phones.:roll:
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#47
NeoXF
hardcore_gameryet they create 48 core processor for mobile phones.:roll:
WUT, link pls.
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#49
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
hardcore_gameryet they create 48 core processor for mobile phones.:roll:
Read the entire article, or at least the title, man. :shadedshu:banghead:
Intel Envisions Do-it-all 48-Core Mobile Processors
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#50
Octavean
NeoXFPoint is... Intel sucks.
...LOL, no exactly, they all suck, just some less.

There's a long way 'till IVB-E, as Intel stated some time ago. In the meantime, Haswell, and hopefully FX Steamroller will take away a lot if not all, of it's thunder, 8 cores or not (X89 boards might be interesting tho, if that's how they'll be called).
To a very real extent its about intended use case. If there are people buying the LGA2011 platform to play games then they likely didn’t understand that it’s a Xeon based platform best suited to such tasks. One could blame Intel for its marketing and positioning of a given product but it is still up to the consumer to research what they buy.

I don’t thin Intel will add more cores simply because AMD does. It would likely come down to overall performance.

Intel presumably will not upgrade the LGA2011 platform chipset for Ivy Bridge-E or so I have heard.
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