Perhaps the 720p phone equivalent is not necessarily the same, though. iPhone applications are specifically designed for a resolution, so they look good. However, since there are numerous laptop resolutions, they might not be as optimized.

WhiteLotusPhones are having another use, they are being used to take pictures, some times brilliant pictures, and so the higher resolution on a phone can allow you to see if the picture you have just taken is any good. Although I think that a HD display on a phone too is somewhat completely overkill, I think it has more merit than a 13inch laptop. Do you see my argument now? And also, just because I don't think a 13inch HD display has merit, does not mean I hate apple. I sir hate apple for entirely different reasons!

No phones so far has taken brilliant picture. And they will never be able to, the lens is just too small and therefore less light. You cannot overcome this, it is physics. Phones rely to software to make the picture look better any photographers, even amateurs, can tell the difference immediately. If I took 2 pictures in any condition with an 8mp phone and 8mp decent camera and lay them side by side, even you will immediately tell the drastic difference.

so you think viewing a high res pic on a small screen phone is better than a 13" in screen?:roll:

You accept HD screens on a phone but not a laptop? are you kidding me?:laugh: I think most people will argue with you that a high res 13" screen is much more useful than a high res 5" screen. The only factor is portability so it's what you need.

No i don't see your argument as it is too flawed for me to even accept your biased opinions. You may think that a high res 5" screen is better for you and I will even agree with you. But don't come in here saying a high res phone is more useful than a high res laptop. This merit you're talking about is simply subjective you're talking about

I don't bash you for your preference, but I will bash you for being so biased towards a product that I would even consider you dumb for thinking that. As I've listed so in previous posts a small example of who could possible benefit from this device regardless of who made it. Apple has millions and millions of potential customers for this even if you take out all the blind apple fanboys/girls. It's the truth, get used to it.

QuantosPerhaps the 720p phone equivalent is not necessarily the same, though. iPhone applications are specifically designed for a resolution, so they look good. However, since there are numerous laptop resolutions, they might not be as optimized.

we all know that, but the fact is that HD screen is useful. This 13" has roughly the same dpi as an HD smartphone that everyone praises. But it is used on a laptop and it's 13" instead of 5" or less. Please tell me which one is more useful? The vast majority will pick laptop. The phone is more of a toy at its size, battery life, and relatively slow performance. The laptop can do much more, run full programs/applications, bigger storage, much longer battery life, etc... You can get real work done with a laptop on the go vs a phone. IDK why it's even being compared because they're completely different markets.

Stop misdirecting the topic to find other excuses/reasons. The fact is this is a good product. Buy it if it suits your needs but don't bash it for dumb reasons.

tokyoduongwe all know that, but the fact is that HD screen is useful. This 13" has roughly the same dpi as an HD smartphone that everyone praises. But it is used on a laptop and it's 13" instead of 5" or less. Please tell me which one is more useful? The vast majority will pick laptop. The phone is more of a toy at its size, battery life, and relatively slow performance. The laptop can do much more, run full programs/applications, bigger storage, much longer battery life, etc... You can get real work done with a laptop on the go vs a phone. IDK why it's even being compared because they're completely different markets.

Stop misdirecting the topic to find other excuses/reasons. The fact is this is a good product. Buy it if it suits your needs but don't bash it for dumb reasons.

Smart phones don't cost 1,400 bucks.

@tokyoduong

Can you please post 3 posts in a row? Thank you. ;)

TheMailMan78Smart phones don't cost 1,400 bucks.

it's not even the same market.
WTF is wrong with people here? The argument is that this screen is useful and it seems like a few of you just want to find every other reasons to bash it. Comparing it to a smartphone? give me a break.
$500-800 for a smartphone is not cheap either. Just because you got it for $200 on a 2 year discount doesn't mean it won't cost you over 1k in its lifetime.

tokyoduongit's not even the same market.
WTF is wrong with people here? The argument is that this screen is useful and it seems like a few of you just want to find every other reasons to bash it. Comparing it to a smartphone? give me a break.
$500-800 for a smartphone is not cheap either. Just because you got it for $200 on a 2 year discount doesn't mean it won't cost you over 1k in its lifetime.

I didn't compare it to a smart phone. You did. 13" is just to small for any kind of real work papo!

TheMailMan78I didn't compare it to a smart phone. You did. 13" is just to small for any kind of real work papo!

Relax man. Stop feeding the apple troll zealot(s). :laugh:

@tokyoduong - Edit your posts, do not double post.

@everybody - Take a 13" empty frame, and hold it up.. That's not better than 1600? A 13" display is plenty big enough to do any work smaller than 13".. I would rather have a 13" tablet then a laptop, but I can still see a lot of uses for a 13" laptop in a work space. :toast:

tokyoduongNo phones so far has taken brilliant picture.

Good enough for Facebook. And seeing how that is how ~70% of people who have smart phones use the camera for they will be quite happy.

so you think viewing a high res pic on a small screen phone is better than a 13" in screen?:roll:

I'm pretty sure I said it was overkill. So way to twist my words.

Apple has millions and millions of potential customers for this even if you take out all the blind apple fanboys/girls.

Customers like who? Who on this planet needs a 13inch laptop with a high res screen?Wants and needs are different things as has already been mentioned previously. A high res screen on a laptop that small is going to create problems. For one, if you want a high res picture, and you see a small portion of that you have to extensively zoom in. On a bigger screen you will not have that much of the same problem, because you can already see more detail.

Give me a 15inch retina display on a light weight laptop and I'll fight your corner. But 13inch is too big for a toy, and too small for practicality. Heck an iPad will be a better benefit, pinch to zoom functions make finding that small area of the high res picture easy.

Face it, a 13 inch retina laptop is a gimmick.

WhiteLotusGive me a 15inch retina display on a light weight laptop and I'll fight your corner. But 13inch is too big for a toy, and too small for practicality. Heck an iPad will be a better benefit, pinch to zoom functions make finding that small area of the high res picture easy.

Face it, a 13 inch retina laptop is a gimmick.

this statement is hilarious. apparently a clearer picture is a gimmick.

Easy Rhinothis statement is hilarious. apparently a clearer picture is a gimmick.

On such a small display. Yes. Yes it is.

WhiteLotusOn such a small display. Yes. Yes it is.

You heard it hear first folks. On TPU of all places! A clearer screen is a gimmick! Please, rename TechPowerUp! to TechPowerDown!

TheMailMan78I didn't compare it to a smart phone. You did. 13" is just to small for any kind of real work papo!

Really? I have about 2000 people here in this building that will laugh in your face for saying that. You can't have a big screen and portability but you can have a high res screen and portability and it will work just as well....as long as you have good eyes.

Prima.VeraRelax man. Stop feeding the apple troll zealot(s). :laugh:

me a troll? your post is pretty much trolling

WhiteLotusGood enough for Facebook. And seeing how that is how ~70% of people who have smart phones use the camera for they will be quite happy.


I'm pretty sure I said it was overkill. So way to twist my words.



Customers like who? Who on this planet needs a 13inch laptop with a high res screen?Wants and needs are different things as has already been mentioned previously. A high res screen on a laptop that small is going to create problems. For one, if you want a high res picture, and you see a small portion of that you have to extensively zoom in. On a bigger screen you will not have that much of the same problem, because you can already see more detail.

Give me a 15inch retina display on a light weight laptop and I'll fight your corner. But 13inch is too big for a toy, and too small for practicality. Heck an iPad will be a better benefit, pinch to zoom functions make finding that small area of the high res picture easy.

Face it, a 13 inch retina laptop is a gimmick.

You obviously have no professional use for these kinds of hardware. I'm an accountant/accounts manager and do photography on the side and I need to move quickly from day to day. I know the few thousands of people in this building and hundreds of friends who will stick with a high res 13-14" laptop for all their work. There is no way around it when you are doing real work and needs to be mobile. Would they rather have 17" or bigger? yes but they'll take a huge hit for size and weight. With all the other paperwork, accessories, phone, etc... you have to carry you can conclude there's no room for a 17" laptop.

BTW try to inspect photos by pixels edge to edge on a smaller screen or try to fly through spreadsheets on a smaller screen. You can zoom in all you want but you will be going at half the speed I can.

lol @ facebook photos. If you are taking photos for facebook purposes then please stick with low res cheap hardware as there is no purpose in having something you don't need. Some of us gets paid to take photos and we need higher quality stuff. I agree that it would be overkill for you.

Easy Rhinothis statement is hilarious. apparently a clearer picture is a gimmick.

I'm sure they'll change their mind when these screens are in $600 laptops. For people it's more about affordability. They'll talk trash about things they don't need or can't afford.

tokyoduongReally? I have about 2000 people here in this building that will laugh in your face for saying that. You can't have a big screen and portability but you can have a high res screen and portability and it will work just as well....as long as you have good eyes.



me a troll? your post is pretty much trolling



You obviously have no professional use for these kinds of hardware. I'm an accountant/accounts manager and do photography on the side and I need to move quickly from day to day. I know the few thousands of people in this building and hundreds of friends who will stick with a high res 13-14" laptop for all their work. There is no way around it when you are doing real work and needs to be mobile. Would they rather have 17" or bigger? yes but they'll take a huge hit for size and weight. With all the other paperwork, accessories, phone, etc... you have to carry you can conclude there's no room for a 17" laptop.

BTW try to inspect photos by pixels edge to edge on a smaller screen or try to fly through spreadsheets on a smaller screen. You can zoom in all you want but you will be going at half the speed I can.

lol @ fb photos nuff said.


I'm sure they'll change their mind when these screens are in $600 laptops. For people it's more about affordability. They'll talk trash about things they don't need or can't afford.

So your like a super hero? Accountant/Photographer? A Accountopher or a Photoatant?

TheMailMan78So your like a super hero? Accountant/Photographer? A Accountopher or a Photoatant?

No I'm a regular person with a job and does photography on the side after work because I like taking photos and other people's money. Is that so hard to understand? Maybe you spent all your time playing videogames so you wouldn't know.

tokyoduongNo I'm a regular person with a job and does photography on the side after work because I like taking photos and other people's money. Is that so hard to understand? Maybe you spent all your time playing videogames so you wouldn't know.

Then you should invest in a bigger screen. Most Photographer I know have at least two monitors to work from. Photoshop tools take up a LOT of space on the screen.

TheMailMan78Then you should invest in a bigger screen. Most Photographer I know have at least two monitors to work from.

I have a 27" dual off a radeon 7850 set up at home(desktop mid tower). I'm sure you can figure out why I can't bring that with me.
You don't edit photos on the go. You need a high res screen to scan the pics to see if you need to take it again or adjust your cameras. Especially when I work with a new lens, I really need to scan down to the pixels. But I need the raw processing power of a desktop to make photoshop go faster when editing 20+ mp pics in raw format.
My eyes are still good enough to scan through huge spreadsheets on excel and access. Although I would prefer a 14" to be more comfortable. However, 14" is not as widely available as 13". More people prefer a 13" because it fits in a tiny briefcase. the MBA would fit in a folder. I can see tons of people going for this if they can afford this. I can also see a ton more people going for it if it was $900 and runs windows instead of osx

Man, I donno. I don't take sides here, but one thing I hate is fanboism over 1 product.
I have an old 17" Dell laptop with 1200p resolution, and I have to tell you that having Windows 7 on it is a disaster. Naturally I cannot use default 100%DPI mode because I would have to use magnify glass to be able to read any menus, but everything above 115% DPI will make a COMPLETE MESS everywhere. Windows, menus, fonts overlapping, etc. And don't get me started with Java or Flash applications...worst crap ever invented which don't even scale or zoom.
So probably this very high res works best on MACs and other Apple devices, but not for Windows devices, so if you are NOT a gamer or do not work in IT or Engineering industry, please feel free to buy any Apple toys you might desire. End.

tokyoduongI have a 27" dual off a radeon 7850 set up at home(desktop mid tower). I'm sure you can figure out why I can't bring that with me.
You don't edit photos on the go. You need a high res screen to scan the pics to see if you need to take it again or adjust your cameras. Especially when I work with a new lens, I really need to scan down to the pixels. But I need the raw processing power of a desktop to make photoshop go faster when editing 20+ mp pics in raw format.
My eyes are still good enough to scan through huge spreadsheets on excel and access. Although I would prefer a 14" to be more comfortable. However, 14" is not as widely available as 13". More people prefer a 13" because it fits in a tiny briefcase. the MBA would fit in a folder. I can see tons of people going for this if they can afford this. I can also see a ton more people going for it if it was $900 and runs windows instead of osx

If all you are doing is reviewing images you can do that on an iPad much cheaper and why are you using your personal computer for the company?

TheMailMan78If all you are doing is reviewing images you can do that on an iPad much cheaper and why are you using your personal computer for the company?

No I can't. Ipad doesn't have an SD slot. I can buy the kit but that's more crap to carry/lose. Not to mention it's slower....much much slower. The only thing the ipad has going for it is the screen...it is one of the best in the tablet arena but we all know the pitfalls of apple products when it comes to compatibility. My ipads were free(gifts) and that's the only reason I have them.
I have the choice of having a company laptop or use my own. I don't want to have to carry 2 since the issued laptop sucks. My bag needs room for 2 cameras, at least 2 lens, extra batteries, cleaning kit, etc...I want to be as light as possible.
Come on man, I don't get into details before because I assume you already know this. A lot of working people in the city feels the same way. That's why 13" MBA and MBP sell so well. 13-14" ultrabooks are selling really well too since they've solved some of the problems.

Prima.VeraMan, I donno. I don't take sides here, but one thing I hate is fanboism over 1 product.
I have an old 17" Dell laptop with 1200p resolution, and I have to tell you that having Windows 7 on it is a disaster. Naturally I cannot use default 100%DPI mode because I would have to use magnify glass to be able to read any menus, but everything above 115% DPI will make a COMPLETE MESS everywhere. Windows, menus, fonts overlapping, etc. And don't get me started with Java or Flash applications...worst crap ever invented which don't even scale or zoom.
So probably this very high res works best on MACs and other Apple devices, but not for Windows devices, so if you are NOT a gamer or do not work in IT or Engineering industry, please feel free to buy any Apple toys you might desire. End.

agreed. A few years back when I early adopted high res monitors, it was a mess. Now it's still a mess when I run dualies with different res/size. I had to buy 2 identical samsung monitors for it to work correctly. Damn thing cost more than my tower which is unfortunate. Lesson learned, don't early adopt.

tokyoduongNo I can't. Ipad doesn't have an SD slot. I can buy the kit but that's more crap to carry/lose. Not to mention it's slower....much much slower. The only thing the ipad has going for it is the screen...it is one of the best in the tablet arena but we all know the pitfalls of apple products when it comes to compatibility. My ipads were free(gifts) and that's the only reason I have them.
I have the choice of having a company laptop or use my own. I don't want to have to carry 2 since the issued laptop sucks. My bag needs room for 2 cameras, at least 2 lens, extra batteries, cleaning kit, etc...I want to be as light as possible.
Come on man, I don't get into details before because I assume you already know this. A lot of working people in the city feels the same way. That's why 13" MBA and MBP sell so well. 13-14" ultrabooks are selling really well too since they've solved some of the problems.



agreed. A few years back when I early adopted high res monitors, it was a mess. Now it's still a mess when I run dualies with different res/size. I had to buy 2 identical samsung monitors for it to work correctly. Damn thing cost more than my tower which is unfortunate. Lesson learned, don't early adopt.

Why does speed matter if you are just reviewing images? To me it looks like your making excuses to buy this thing. A 15" MBP is FAR MORE suited for your needs IF you have to have Apple. You can hook an external monitor up to it and ditch your desktop completely.

By the way they sell good because Apple is popular and a good Apple Laptop is almost double the price of the 13" Air.

TheMailMan78Smart phones don't cost 1,400 bucks.

Decent smartphones cost an average of $500-700 (ignoring the Nexus 4, which is sold to make profits via other channels) for a significantly more limited and less capable device. I don't see your point.

Prima.VeraMan, I donno. I don't take sides here, but one thing I hate is fanboism over 1 product.
I have an old 17" Dell laptop with 1200p resolution, and I have to tell you that having Windows 7 on it is a disaster. Naturally I cannot use default 100%DPI mode because I would have to use magnify glass to be able to read any menus, but everything above 115% DPI will make a COMPLETE MESS everywhere. Windows, menus, fonts overlapping, etc. And don't get me started with Java or Flash applications...worst crap ever invented which don't even scale or zoom.
So probably this very high res works best on MACs and other Apple devices, but not for Windows devices, so if you are NOT a gamer or do not work in IT or Engineering industry, please feel free to buy any Apple toys you might desire. End.

The beauty of OS X is that it scales magnificently.

KantasticDecent smartphones cost an average of $500-700 for a significantly more limited and less capable device. I don't see your point.

I paid 99 bucks for my wife's Galaxy 3 then she wanted the Note and I paid 199. Try again?

TheMailMan78I paid 99 bucks for my wife's Galaxy 3 then she wanted the Note and I paid 199. Try again?

Sure I'll come again. What does your monthly phone bill cost? Because you're talking about subsidized pricing where carriers eat you on the monthly bills. Also, it's good that you didn't deny the "more limited/less capable" part, otherwise you'd be insane.