Monday, March 18th 2013

NVIDIA Working on Second GK110-based GeForce Graphics Card for Summer

NVIDIA may decisively hold on to the single-GPU performance lead, with its GeForce GTX Titan graphics card, but at roughly $1000, it could attract a very small market. According to a SweClockers report, NVIDIA is looking to woo gamers just ahead of Summer with the second GK110-based GeForce GTX graphics card. Similar in specifications to the fabled Quadro K6000, the new SKU could feature 13 out of 15 streaming multiprocessors on the GK110 silicon, working out to 2,496 CUDA cores, 208 texture memory units, a 320-bit wide GDDR5 memory interface holding 5 GB of memory, and 40 ROPs. Given that there's a deep ravine between the ~$450 GeForce GTX 680 and ~$1000 GTX Titan, NVIDIA could pick a price-point in the middle. The report claims the new SKU could launch some time between July and August, 2013.

Source: SweClockers
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74 Comments on NVIDIA Working on Second GK110-based GeForce Graphics Card for Summer

#1
Animalpak
something that perform better than a 680 but less than a Titan ? Pointless ...
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#2
erocker
Wouldn't be much of an upgrade over a 680 or a 7970... What's the incentive to buy something like this?

I'm not liking this mixture of new cards with the current series of cards as it seems to give them an excuse to charge more for them.
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#3
matar
$499 I am in.
I will Buy 3 for 3-Way Sli
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#4
radrok
Was hoping for a full SMX'ed GTX Titan :roll:
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#5
theoneandonlymrk
The price will probably be close to the not full baked titan as im expecting a few Cut down Titans now , question of what they're binning like might well be indicated by how many of these hit the market and at what price.
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#6
RejZoR
Maybe NVIDIA should stop releasing pointless cards and start making cheaper cards with same performance. Pretty much EVERY single card from NVIDIA is overpriced compared to similar performing Radeons. Every time i'm buying new gfx card i look at both and see that all GeForces are too expensive for what they offer. Thats why i'm on Radeons for years now...
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#7
tastegw
No thx, bring me maxwell?
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#8
Animalpak
However, this is what should have been TITAN and not what we have now with that intergalactic absurd price.

The same mistake they did with Fermi and GTX 400 series ...
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#9
Xzibit
Isn't a scaled down Titan an oxymoron :rolleyes:

I can see the new Nvidia naming scheme now
GTX Titan
GTX Diminutive
GTX Half-Pint
GTX Runt
GTX Pygmy
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#10
MxPhenom 216
Corsair Fanboy
by: erocker
Wouldn't be much of an upgrade over a 680 or a 7970... What's the incentive to buy something like this?

I'm not liking this mixture of new cards with the current series of cards as it seems to give them an excuse to charge more for them.
Yep agreed. I wish they would wait on these new cards for next gen to compete directly with next gen AMD cards.

Only reason I can think of for people to buy these cards right now are professionals who need the compute power, but don't want to spend $4000 for a card to do the same things. Oh and for people who want the sexy looking cooler! :D :laugh:
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#11
erocker
I digress that some folks might find this card appealing if they are using an older generation card and are just looking to upgrade right now. It would be nice to see price cuts to their entire 6 series though.
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MxPhenom 216
Corsair Fanboy
by: erocker
I digress that some folks might find this card appealing if they are using an older generation card and are just looking to upgrade right now. It would be nice to see price cuts to their entire 6 series though.
It would though. Especially to even stay competitive with current AMD cards. 680/670 are pricey compared to what you can get from AMD in the performance/price end.
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#13
Xzibit
by: MxPhenom 216
Yep agreed. I wish they would wait on these new cards for next gen to compete directly with next gen AMD cards.

Only reason I can think of for people to buy these cards right now are professionals who need the compute power, but don't want to spend $4000 for a card to do the same things. Oh and for people who want the sexy looking cooler! :D :laugh:
Nvidia with Maxwell might have had same strategy Kepler had to make GeForce series GK104 weak in Compute power to lower its die-size. Maybe this is a quick way Nvidia can compete with the way AMD,Microsoft & Intel/Havok will be taking games with the next gen consoles being DirectX directcompute heavy. This will buy them time and have a competitor even if its over priced.
Other then that there are milking every cent they can get from the GK110.

Sexy looking coolers you say ?
Just get lable paper and print out a picture of Kate Upton and slap that on your current cooler. Bang!!! save $500 dollars right there. :rockout:
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#14
Casecutter
When Titan is 25% more performance though 125% more money than a 7970 Boost... What's the use offering a 15% performance bump; that costs 65% more (~$700), or double the cost of a GTX680 for 15% inprovement... because face it they won’t be $550-600!

P.T. Barnum said it best or was it David Hannum... ;)
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#15
Jack1n
If this will be around 600-650$ it will be worth the money.
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#16
radrok
by: Xzibit
Isn't a scaled down Titan an oxymoron :rolleyes:

I can see the new Nvidia naming scheme now
GTX Titan
GTX Diminutive
GTX Half-Pint
GTX Runt
GTX Pygmy
GTX MiniMe
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#17
lilhasselhoffer
Help me understand this.

I can buy two 680s for the price of one Titan. Nvidea wants to burn through their poorly performing silicon, so they want to sell a "stripped down" version of Titan. Realistically, the stripped down card will be specced higher that the 680 but priced higher than any performance gain it might possibly have.

Who in their right mind will buy this?

Looking at a limited production run, insane costs, and generally unappealing cost to performance ratio I can't see a market. The Titan can claim absolute superiority. The 680 can claim ownership of the single card consumer market. What does the stripped down Titan claim?
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#19
the54thvoid
by: lilhasselhoffer
Help me understand this....The Titan can claim absolute superiority. The 680 can claim ownership of the single card consumer market.
Eh?

The Titan owns all single chips, yes. Then the 7970 can arguably be called the most realistic king of the consumer market. The 7970 at comparative speeds (call it GHz if you will) is superior to the 680.
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#20
Animalpak
As i said they have to release this ( stripped down version ) instead of TITAN... Then if the price was 650 to 700 bills i really considered buying !!
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#21
OneCool
Who the hell at nVidia is coming up with this shit?

pointless :shadedshu


For the people willing to pay 600+ for this.......WTF :wtf:
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#22
TheHunter
lol told ya in that Quadro K6000 thread ;)
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#23
buggalugs
Nvidia are liers!! I remember after the 7970 came out, when NVidia said they thought the 7970 was going to be faster but its not so we're not going to release our GK110 chip we're going to release our GK100 instead because it competes with the 7970!

Then they thought oh shit the GK100 isn't that fast compared to 7970 we better build in boost overclocking to make it look better. They had to max out the GK100 chip to get it to compete.

Then they release this titan for $1000? What if the 7970 was 15% faster than it was? Would they have released titan for $699 up against the 7970?

Anyway its all fun and games I guess
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#24
HumanSmoke
by: buggalugs
Nvidia are liers!! I remember after the 7970 came out, when NVidia said they thought the 7970 was going to be faster but its not so we're not going to release our GK110 chip we're going to release our GK100 instead because it competes with the 7970!-Then they thought oh shit the GK100 isn't that fast compared to 7970 we better build in boost overclocking to make it look better. They had to max out the GK100 chip to get it to compete.
Cool story. Leave it to an Aussie to take a singular point and spin it into a tall tale! :laugh:

Actual story from the original source:
While it is still officially quiet from NVIDIA, spokespersons have revealed that they expected more from AMD.

During Consumer Electronics Show 2012 in Las Vegas, NVIDIA focused almost exclusively on its mobile system processors of the Tegra family. The company had nothing official to say about its coming Kepler architecture...
Note the complete lack of reference to GK 110 or GK 100 ( a GPU that doesn't exist btw), nor the GK 104 and GK 107 which were the first Kepler series GPUs that achieved series production.
by: Casecutter
When Titan is 25% more performance though 125% more money than a 7970 Boost...
25% ? Generally with a small sample set numbers can mean whatever you like
A quick look at the 28 available reviews I could ( TPU, Anandtech, HardOCP, Guru 3D, Bjorn3D, HardwareLUXX, ComputerBase, Hardware France, Hardware Canucks, PC Perspective, OCC, Sweclockers, Lab501, Hardware.info, PCGH, Alienbabeltech, Tech Report, Hexus, Hot Hardware, HiTech Legion, TechSpot, PC Gamer, X-bit, bit-tech, expreview, Tom's, Hot Hardware, MaximumPC, Linus amongst them), says that the Titan is 33% faster (using highest game i.q. benches only) at 1920 / 2560, and 45.5% faster at 5760...and that taking into account some oddball benchmarking results ( the 7970GE gaining framerate from 2560 to 5760, or not losing any framerate between 1920 and 5760 in AC3 for example, or lack of driver support in Tomb Raider for example) in small sample sets* that skew the mean value of the averaged results.
* Only three sites benchmarked AC3 at 5760x1080:
TPU: Favoured the HD 7970GE by 44.99%
ComputerBase favoured Titan by 36.73%
HW Canucks favoured Titan by 49.09%

I'd be inclined to delve into the numbers a little further -along with any other possible workload the cards' user base might employ...after all, I seem to remember that many AMD proponents were happy to justify a $549 initial price tag for the 7970 based on its hashing ability.
Besides, if you're using a performance-per-dollar metric based solely on gaming you obviously aren't part of the intended market for the card. Given your distain for anything Nvidia it beats me why you even bother with the argument- it's not as if you'd buy an Nvidia card even if it came with a 100% rebate voucher.
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#25
radrok
I was too convinced that GK104 wasn't meant to be the GTX 680 but when you look at the date on the HPC GK110 then you can see that it was too late to be even shown as a consumer part.

I would have been GF100 all over again, infact there is no GK100 and I'm fairly sure the reason are the very poor early 28nm yields.

I mean 7.1 billions transistors on a new manufacturing node? Would have costed an arm and a leg to produce in a sizable quantity for their GTX 670/680 lineup.

I think that if the 7970 was faster than it is now, like 10-15% more then Nvidia would have launched GK104 as midrange chip and they would have launched the GK110 as GTX 680 when they could have had reasonable yields.

Nvidia would have probably been without a single GPU capable of fighting AMD toe to toe and they would have probably used a dual GK104 solution.

But meh things have gone differently and we can only speculate.
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