Monday, April 15th 2013

AMD Works on Next TWKR Chip Based on Vishera

AMD is apparently working on its second CPU for extreme overclocking, since the nearly four-year old Phenom II Black Edition TWKR 42. Being referred to as "Centurion FX," the chip is said to be based on the eight-core FX "Vishera" silicon, featuring an unlocked multiplier, but born out of some extremely careful chip selection by AMD. How careful you ask? For starters, these chips should be capable of running at 5.00 GHz with just air-cooling, with potential for more, on better cooling.

If the TWKR 42 is anything to go by, Centurion FX should be made specifically for extreme overclockers looking for clock-speed and multi-core performance records, the chip should come with rather low clock speed, and unlocked multiplers, so overclockers could tweak it themselves. The chips should cost four times the average FX-8350, nearing $800, which is "affordable," considering the four-figure prices some of the golden Core i7 K-series Ivy Bridge chips command on online marketplaces.Source: Hexus.net
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35 Comments on AMD Works on Next TWKR Chip Based on Vishera

#1
HumanSmoke
by: Dent1
In another 2 years (4 year total) will the 4 core 2600K still have it's lead over the 8-core FX in gaming? ;)
At the present speed of game engine development?...yeah, most likely.
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btarunr
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A majority of you are not the target audience of this product, and will probably not see the value in it.
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xtremesv
by: btarunr
A majority of you are not the target audience of this product, and will probably not see the value in it.
My point exactly, this is not the typical Intel vs. AMD consumer battle, it's not even an all-around enthusiast matter. Actually I could think about extreme overclockers as a niche within a niche.

by: Super XP
Obviously no proof of that :laugh: but I know what you mean ;)
I truly believe Steamroller will be AMD's game changer that should be enough to at the very least compete with Intel's current offerings Price for Price ;). In other words, no more hot AMD FX CPU deals. I can see AMD's high end FX-8550 (Steamroller :D) at least double the price of the FX-8350 at launch. Yes IMO :rockout:
If we keep AMD word about their future, Steamroller would be 15% above Piledriver but as Intel continue adding 5%-10% to their offerings, I would say the margin between the two in poorly threaded applications will remain.

Also I'd disagree because in my opinion AMD is already price competitive: heavy-threaded software, Vishera is a great value; most games and light-threaded software, FX stands with a so-so but doesn't disappoint.
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#4
robal
by: Super XP
... I truly believe Steamroller will be AMD's game changer that should be enough to at the very least compete with Intel's current offerings Price for Price ;) ...
I was excited about Bulldozer (so much hype around it!). It was a huge let down.
Then I was hopeful of Vishera (while an improvement, still not game-changer).
Having learned from this, I'm a bit sceptical about Steamroller....

by: Melvis
Considering the 2600K and FX-8350 trade blows 50/50 this comment makes no sense to me.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_fx_8350_processor_review,1.html
No it doesn't. Even the review you've quuoted clearly shows this.
And when it come to gaming, things are really bad.
So far I find no reason to upgrade from my Phenon II 955.
I've got AM3+ mobo, and I'm still waiting for worthy upgrade.


Let's make one thing clear here.
I really want AMD to succeed ! We need it for fair competition in desktop high end !
Intel is already half asleep because lack of competition.
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Dent1
by: robal
I was excited about Bulldozer (so much hype around it!). It was a huge let down.
Then I was hopeful of Vishera (while an improvement, still not game-changer).
Having learned from this, I'm a bit sceptical about Steamroller....



No it doesn't. Even the review you've quuoted clearly shows this.
And when it come to gaming, things are really bad.
So far I find no reason to upgrade from my Phenon II 955.
I've got AM3+ mobo, and I'm still waiting for worthy upgrade.
That Guru of 3D review only had two games tested. Farcry 2 and Crysis 2. Two games isnt enough to make any valid conclusion about AMD's gaming performance. The only thing you can take from that review is that for non-gaming based on 16+ tests the FX series is on par or faster than the Sandy Bridge or as fast or faster than the Ivy bridge.

by: robal

Let's make one thing clear here.
I really want AMD to succeed ! We need it for fair competition in desktop high end !
Intel is already half asleep because lack of competition.
Does fair competition only involve around gaming? If game developers were not sleeping on the job you'll see some multi threaded competition.
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#6
jihadjoe
^ Crysis 3 has your multicore gaming back, as did Dragon Age:Origins back then
(I remember benches showing quads running up to 75% faster than dual cores in this game).

That said, this upcoming chip has a very difficult wall ahead of it in the $530 i7-3930k.
I'm also wondering what the TDP will be like at 5GHz. Should be interesting.
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Melvis
by: robal
No it doesn't. Even the review you've quuoted clearly shows this.
And when it come to gaming, things are really bad.
So far I find no reason to upgrade from my Phenon II 955.
I've got AM3+ mobo, and I'm still waiting for worthy upgrade.


Let's make one thing clear here.
I really want AMD to succeed ! We need it for fair competition in desktop high end !
Intel is already half asleep because lack of competition.
You didnt read the review did you? it is a clear 50/50 win lose to the 8350 against the 2600K apart from the games which is mute anyway as if you had the AMD system it would be cheaper and you would be running a higher end GPU which then interns make the AMD system the better system for gaming anyway lol. ;)

I can tell you this much right now this chip is WAY better then my old 965 was, it beats it in every gaming benchmark i ran with it and in some games where it uses most of the 8350 cores it almost doubled in FPS, like it did in Metro 2033, was a HUGE difference.

Then we come to every day use like Converting video files or some sort of compression program, you know things that you would do every day sort stuff and my 8350 decimates my 965, also beats out my 1055T with ease, and then crushes my I7 940 when its fully working hard, it makes all my other CPU's here look slow.

I can honestly say I think my 8350 would beat out my m8s 2600K in most of the things we do every day.

Once you get all the cores working hard and cranked up its a dam fast CPU :D
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#8
anubis44
by: Dj-ElectriC
I'm taking this with a jar of salt and waiting for real tests
A jar of salt would almost certainly kill you if taken all at once.
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#9
de.das.dude
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by: jihadjoe
^ Crysis 3 has your multicore gaming back, as did Dragon Age:Origins back then
(I remember benches showing quads running up to 75% faster than dual cores in this game).

That said, this upcoming chip has a very difficult wall ahead of it in the $530 i7-3930k.
I'm also wondering what the TDP will be like at 5GHz. Should be interesting.
this wont be a normal production cheap. think of it more like a concept car type idea.
this wont have any difficulty with anything as this is only meant for overclocking and breaking records.
bta already posted that there is a high chance this will be made available in very limited quantities.
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#10
NeoXF
Is this one Vishera 2.0 based? "Only" 8-core?

Either way, for what it's sweet, it's pretty sweet... Maybe someone will break the 9GHz record with one of them...

Then again, since Vishera refresh (that'll probably have a turbo clock of up to 4,5GHz) is coming in about 2 months... for 1/4 of the price... ...so yeah.
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