Monday, April 22nd 2013

NVIDIA Working on GeForce GTX TITAN Ultra and GTX TITAN LE

A little later this week, AMD will launch its Radeon HD 7990 "Malta" graphics card. All eyes are on AMD, with regards to how the company decides to price the card, regardless of how it ends up performing. If it ends up destabilizing NVIDIA's $999 comfort-zone enjoyed by GeForce GTX TITAN and GTX 690, the company could be forced to either lower pricing, or introduce new SKUs based on the GK110 silicon, especially with the crucial summer shopping season around the corner.

According to a 3DCenter.org report, NVIDIA could launch not one, but two new SKUs based on the GK110 chip, the GTX TITAN "Ultra", and the GTX TITAN "LE." GTX TITAN LE has turned the rumor mills for some time now. It's being rumored to be a slightly scaled down version of the GTX TITAN, with 2496 CUDA cores, 208 TMUs, 40 ROPs, and a narrower 320-bit wide memory interface, holding 5120 MB of memory. There could be a third GK110 SKU in the works, the GTX TITAN Ultra.

The GTX TITAN Ultra, according to the report, is a minor upscale of the original GTX TITAN. The GTX TITAN doesn't fully utilize the component loadout of the GK110 silicon, leaving an inactive streaming multiprocessor cluster (SMX). The GTX TITAN Ultra could see NVIDIA enabling all components on the GK110, with 2880 CUDA cores and 240 TMUs. NVIDIA could restructure its high-end product stack pricing to accommodate the two new SKUs. GeForce GTX 690 could gradually phase out; GTX TITAN LE could occupy a price-point within the US $599-699 range; GTX TITAN between $940-980, and GTX TITAN Ultra at $1000 or over.Source: 3DCenter.org
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84 Comments on NVIDIA Working on GeForce GTX TITAN Ultra and GTX TITAN LE

#1
Easy Rhino
Linux Advocate
by: radrok
That's the point that has been brought up so many times and W1zzard has summed it well on his review



Who bought one or more Titans can probably buy a Titan Ultra, too ;)
my point isn't that they are expensive, my point is that i can do many many more things with $1000 than just play video games at OMGFAP FPS.
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#2
TheHunter
by: GC_PaNzerFIN
GTX 460 was one of the best if not the best midrange card I have ever owned. What mess?

Same goes for 8800GT, GTX 260...
Downclocking, stutters, low gpu usage, etc.. That's why i opt for GF110 in the first place and good thing i did.

I've actively followed nvidia forums and i saw multiple complains about it - there are still quite a few issues.. GK104 aka 680gtx had similar symptoms, most got fixed but yeah after a good year or so..

Anyway lets leave this for another topic :p
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#3
Xzibit
I dont think its the price but the perceived value in general.

GPU cycle before its replaced by something better at same price or less average 2yrs, 2yr 1/2 max.

Like my office chair preferance. A $80 to $300 dollar chair would do me just fine. Not so good quality, horrible on body but it will last me 2-3yrs.

A Hermin Miller chair on the other hand will last minimal 12yrs (guarantee) cost $800-$1500 much and is much more comfortable and adjustable. All my home desk chairs are Herman Millers office chairs (Aeron, Mirra, Embody) and you dont have to worry about a cheaper version since they wont feel the same.

You also dont get the same customer service aswell. A GPU vendor isnt going to send out a certified chair personal (Yes, they actually have those since I had a issue with one of the arm rest a few years back) to your home to fix or replace an issue for you free of charge.
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#4
MicroUnC
Damn bastards Nvidia, clipping 1K cards one after another. An additional SMX unit, ohhh WOW.....
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#5
LAN_deRf_HA
So if they're giving us the 780 and 770 now what are they going to do for their next release cycle? Just drop prices to fit in around the 8000 series? We know they certainly could afford to. I can just picture the grins over at nvidia when they saw the 7000 series performance numbers. They knew they'd be rolling in cash for a few years. Suddenly they find themselves a year ahead of their competition, rearranging bargain parts and giving them top shelf prices, no longer under any pressure to rush anything to market. They could probably cut their prices in half and slaughter AMD if they wanted to. It just such a ridiculous gap technology gap right now.
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#6
Xzibit
To quote a semi-smart guy :D

by: Xzibit
If this is a trend for Nvidia then it will play out something like this.

K20x = GTX Titan $999
K20 = GTX Titan-mini $849-$899
K6000 = GTX Titan-supermini $699-799 due to 3GB memory (Same performance as 7970 GHz)
Titan Ultra is doubt full since the article is writen from a speculation point or did everyone miss that along with the 8970 reference. :laugh:

It would also mean after 2yrs+ Nvidia finaly would deliver a fully functional GK110. Meaning enough of them are bad over a 2yr manufacturing process that up until now its had enough quantity for a GeForce variant.
Highly unlikely and Nvidia would be screaming out there lungs through press releases to taunt a fully working GK110 to the HPC community. Which hasnt happened.

From the speculation piece as fas as performance it looks like the TITAN LE which is likely due out. will be on par with 7970 GHZ Edition. Paying extra $200-$300 doesnt seam that well thought out.

Be curiouse if the TITAN issues will plague the TITAN LE.
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#7
radrok
by: Xzibit
Titan Ultra is doubt full since the article is writen from a speculation point or did everyone miss that along with the 8970 reference.

It would also mean after 2yrs Nvidia finaly would deliver a fully functional GK110. Meaning enough of them are bad over a 2yr manufacturing process that up until now its had enough quantity for a GeForce variant.
Highly unlikely and Nvidia would be screaming out there lungs through press releases to taunt a fully working GK110 to the HPC community. Which hasnt happened.
Agreed, the Titan Cray would have definitely been the first choice for a full fledged GK110, which at this point in their timeline wasn't possibile due to yields.

I'm more and more inclined to think that the additional SMX acts as a buffer of tolerance between defective dies and I wouldn't be surprised if some Titan/K20X products do not share the exact same CUDA cluster disabled.


by: Xzibit
Be curiouse if the TITAN issues will plague the TITAN LE.
Which issues? My Titans work flawlessly.
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#8
HumanSmoke
by: Xzibit
It would also mean after 2yrs+ Nvidia finaly would deliver a fully functional GK110.
If it were two years then I doubt that there would be as much whining in this thread - or possibly the whining would be of a different flavour..."about time, why'd it take so long".

First shipments of GK110 occurred 7 months ago, and taped out in January 2012- which would make late-March the date of the first run-time verification. Hardly "2+ years".
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#9
the54thvoid
by: Xzibit
Be curiouse if the TITAN issues will plague the TITAN LE.
by: radrok
Which issues? My Titans work flawlessly.
All I can think of is the voltage and power limits? Apart from that, there is nothing technically wrong with it from a manufacturing standpoint. Price is nuts obviously but so is my PC.

And these limits are arguably a derivative of the HPC eco friendly tag the Titan has. I'm running now at 1124MHz core with 6650MHz memory on 1.18v. This is giving me 10-15% above stock. No issues here at all. :cool:
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#10
15th Warlock
We all knew faster cards that Titan would be released, and heck, for even less money there were already "better" alternatives if you are into bragging rights like high scores and FPS numbers (that actually mean little in terms of user satisfaction), it's a known fact of our little "hobbie" that you're never truly done building your ultimate gaming rig.

I have thorougly enjoyed my Titans, and in all my years building computers, seldomly I've felt so satisfied with my investment (Voodoo 2, Radeon 9800, GeForce 6800 to cite these "halo" cards).

The fact that this Ultra card might be coming out, doesn't bother me the slightlest, why would it? I love my cards, and love the fact that for the first time I had the courage to go with water cooling to fully reach their potential, that's how I think most Titan card owners feel (or any other ppl who love being on the bleeding edge of performance), and in fact, if Ultra means you can get a second or a third Titan for a lower price, then the more power to you :)

That's my two cents anyways :p
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#11
the54thvoid
by: 15th Warlock
a second or a third Titan for a lower price, then the more power to you :)
Hmm.... Hadn't looked at it that way.....

No, one's enough for me...

for now
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#12
Xzibit
by: radrok
Which issues? My Titans work flawlessly.
by: the54thvoid
All I can think of is the voltage and power limits? Apart from that, there is nothing technically wrong with it from a manufacturing standpoint. Price is nuts obviously but so is my PC.

And these limits are arguably a derivative of the HPC eco friendly tag the Titan has.
Rest can be attributed to driver related stuff but thats my curiosity if its going to be any different then the TITAN from feedback they've gotten or not.
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#13
radrok
I'm sorry but I stopped at "Nvidia Forums"
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#14
Ravenas
Nvidia would be great if they would quit charging a premium for their products.
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#15
the54thvoid
by: Xzibit
Rest can be attributed to driver related stuff[/URL] but thats my curiosity if its going to be any different then the TITAN from feedback they've gotten or not.
So drivers then. Well, just as well they're generally pretty sound then.

No, i don't see any plaguing issues tbh. But if you keep looking on forums about faults on a card you don't own you will find exactly what you want to find. Bad science.
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#16
Xzibit
by: radrok
I'm sorry but I stopped at "Nvidia Forums"
Yet, your here in an forum. :rolleyes:

Where else would you have people go to look for answers for there hardware. Forums most likely be it ChipMaker or AIB distributor you can filter most of the community cheerleading

Soap box post :rolleyes:

by: the54thvoid
So drivers then. Well, just as well they're generally pretty sound then.

No, i don't see any plaguing issues tbh. But if you keep looking on forums about faults on a card you don't own you will find exactly what you want to find. Bad science.
No, I actually look on the Forums for cards I do own and see if those issues have been corrected in new series for possible upgrades.

I dont asume since I dont have an issue with something that someone should have the same experience as I do, nor if they dont that his issue is un-warrented since it doesnt match my experience there for void.

Even after that I go ahead and buy 3 or 4 cards and bring them home and see if those issues are indeed corrected.


I was getting to the point of if its less AIB restricted then the TITAN, TITAN LE could be a better buy and better OC friendly.
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#17
radrok
by: Xzibit
Yet, your here in an forum.

Where else would you have people go to look for answers for there hardware. Forums be it ChipMaker or AIB distributor.
Are you seriously comparing TPU to nV forums? Please don't
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#18
Animalpak
Hope this worth much more than the actual Titan.
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#19
MxPhenom 216
Corsair Fanboy
by: Ravenas
Nvidia would be great if they would quit charging a premium for their products.
Really, AMD is slapping them silly right now with cheap prices on cards that perform better then Nvidia's cards, with 3 Free AAA titles. :nutkick:
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#20
BigMack70
by: MxPhenom 216
Really, AMD is slapping them silly right now with cheap prices on cards that perform better then Nvidia's cards, with 3 Free AAA titles. :nutkick:
Add to that the fact that my 7970s reimbursed themselves and made me $1k so far in profit from BTC and yeah...

I can handle needing to use a framerate limiter in gaming.

But cheers to all you guys dropping several dimes on e-peen graphics cards... they sure look impressive (and my cards were definitely bought in part as e-peen cards when they launched, so I understand the motive) :toast:
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#21
Fluffmeister
by: MxPhenom 216
Really, AMD is slapping them silly right now with cheap prices on cards that perform better then Nvidia's cards, with 3 Free AAA titles. :nutkick:
nVidia card prices haven't budged because they are still selling at there respective price points, why drop prices when you don't need to?

AMD are doing what they need to do, but make no mistake they would love to be able to sell their cards for a higher price if they could.
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#22
jihadjoe
Attention, Titan users that we suckered into thinking you would be having the fastest single GPU card for a few years to come: Please buy this new ULTRA card to retain that epeen. :laugh:

--Nvidia, April 2013
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#23
Ravenas
by: Fluffmeister
nVidia card prices haven't budged because they are still selling at there respective price points, why drop prices when you don't need to?

AMD are doing what they need to do, but make no mistake they would love to be able to sell their cards for a higher price if they could.
Because they are overpriced.
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#24
Fluffmeister
by: Ravenas
Because they are overpriced.
Does it upset you nVidia sell more cards at a higher price? :rockout:
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#25
Ravenas
by: Fluffmeister
Does it upset you nVidia sell more cards at a higher price? :rockout:
PC builders are buying more cards or PC manufacturers? :nutkick:
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