Tuesday, May 14th 2013

GeForce GTX 680 Can Be Flashed to GTX 770?

No you can't, but read on. When we learned that NVIDIA's upcoming GeForce GTX 770 uses a GPU not unlike the GeForce GTX 680 in specifications, we overlooked one possibility, that it uses the same exact chip, the GK104. We assumed that NVIDIA could release a new ASIC codenamed "GK114" or "GK204," which features higher energy-efficiency, and GPU Boost 2.0.

A Reddit user claims that a simple BIOS flash of the GeForce GTX 680 could turn it into a GeForce GTX 770. The BIOS ROM image, which probably works with reference-design GTX 680 boards was posted, along with a GPU-Z screenshot of a "GeForce GTX 770" obtained this way. The BIOS runs the card at 1059 MHz core, 1125 MHz maximum GPU Boost, and 1752 MHz (7.00 GHz GDDR5-effective) memory, yielding a memory bandwidth of 224 GB/s. The BIOS file can be found here (try it at your own risk). We tested the BIOS with some of our own GTX 680 cards, and found it to be nothing more than a modified GTX 680 BIOS (for increased clocks) with a modified driver INF file that makes the GeForce driver display a different model name. The BIOS just has made-up clock speeds that could run on some GTX 680 cards, but could be unstable on most.

We created four additional GPU-Z screenshots to serve as evidence that just by modifying the INF file, you can make the card appear as anything you want. The string from the INF file is used in Windows for display purposes only; the graphics driver does not use it for anything else; certainly not feature detection.

When your GTX 680 manages to be stable with the new BIOS, the higher clock speeds obviously work to get you that 5-7 percent performance increment. Third-rate companies often get away selling rebranded fake graphics cards in developing markets using this method. For example, they buy cheap GeForce 210 cards and sell them as GT 630 for twice the money. Even between officially rebranded NVIDIA graphics cards (such as GeForce 8800 GT to 9800 GT), the device ID is changed, so there's no reason why NVIDIA won't do the same with the GTX 770. In conclusion, this "GTX 770" mod is nothing more than a combination of a custom GTX 680 BIOS that adds higher clock speeds, and a custom INF file that changes the card's name string.
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84 Comments on GeForce GTX 680 Can Be Flashed to GTX 770?

#1
HumanSmoke
No doubt the core and boost clocks are doable for most GTX 680's, but that 7000Mhz effective memory is going to find more than a few 680's wanting.
by: btarunr
Thought so. When we learned that NVIDIA's upcoming GeForce GTX 770 uses a GPU not unlike the GeForce GTX 680 in specifications, we overlooked one possibility, that it uses the same exact chip, the GK104. We assumed that NVIDIA could release a new ASIC codenamed "GK114" or "GK204," which features higher energy-efficiency, and GPU Boost 2.0.
The GK104-425 variant rumour had been floating around for a while
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#3
MxPhenom 216
Corsair Fanboy
by: HumanSmoke
No doubt the core and boost clocks are doable for most GTX 680's, but that 7000Mhz effective memory is going to find more than a few 680's wanting.
what? nearly all gtx680s do those clocks right out of the box already.
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#4
15th Warlock
So, besides higher memory clocks the 770 doesn't offer a single ounce of performance improvement over the 680? Like said before, even the core clocks are easily attainable on the 680! :shadedshu

On the plus side, this means I already have 4 "770s"... WTF is wrong with Nvidia? Are we sure that GPU-Z shot is correct?
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#5
sanadanosa
does it mean GTX 770 can do SLI with GTX 680?
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#6
HumanSmoke
by: MxPhenom 216
what? nearly all gtx680s do those clocks right out of the box already.
I've no doubt that any of the better binned (factory OC'ed) cards should get there. I was thinking more of the vanilla 2GB boards (reference design/reference clocks) in circulation. I seem to remember that the scope of memory overclocking ranged from ~6600 - 7000+, and not every reference 680 made 7K.
by: 15th Warlock
So, besides higher memory clocks the 770 doesn't offer a single ounce of performance improvement over the 680? Like said before, even the core clocks are easily attainable on the 680! :shadedshu
If Nvidia retain the same reference blower and shroud followed by a quick onslaught of vendor designs, then its 7970 GHz Edition/ 7950 Boost redux.

I wonder if a BIOS flash workaround works for the GTX 780M as well ?
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#7
15th Warlock
by: HumanSmoke
I've no doubt that any of the better binned (factory OC'ed) cards should get there. I was thinking more of the vanilla 2GB boards (reference design/reference clocks) in circulation. I seem to remember that the scope of memory overclocking ranged from ~6600 - 7000+, and not every reference 680 made 7K.
Yes, that memory clock is not easily attainable on the 680, Nvidia must be using parts that are rated for much higher clocks for the 770
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#8
Delta6326
I doubt Nvidia would let some thing like this happen. Even if its the same card.
For all we know they could have looked into the coding of GPU-Z and checked what W1zz has the 770 guesstimate specs and then changed the bios to show up like this...
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#9
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
Updated with our own testing/findings. Enjoy.
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#11
W1zzard
by: nikolaj1651
If i have a reference cooler on my zotac 680 this http://www.zotacusa.com/geforce-gtx-680-zt-60101-10p.html

I wonder if the standard cooler can handle that ram speed and core clock :S i im not brave enough to try this out, but seems really awesome that we can flash it ;D
Just use normal OC software to use these speeds. It's really no different

by: sanadanosa
does it mean GTX 770 can do SLI with GTX 680?
It most probably won't. SLI is locked to same device ID (unless NVIDIA changes their mind). And the BIOS does not and can not change the device ID.
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#12
nikolaj1651
by: W1zzard
Just use normal OC software to use these speeds. It's really no different
cool! then i just set the same clock speed as the 770 with no bios update, but im current at work. but will afterburner allow me to set the ram speed that high? and can i leave the voltage at standard as it is now?
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#13
W1zzard
by: nikolaj1651
cool! then i just set the same clock speed as the 770 with no bios update, but im current at work. but will afterburner allow me to set the ram speed that high? and can i leave the voltage at standard as it is now?
Yes you could do that, but even if it's stable at that clocks it won't turn your card into a GTX 770.
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#14
nikolaj1651
by: W1zzard
even if it's stable at that clocks. It won't turn your card into a GTX 770.
yeah i know, but im not the best overclocker, so if i just use the clocks the 770 has, then i get a little boost, i just wonder if my standard cooler can handle it ;D but i will try this out when i get home.
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#15
theoneandonlymrk
by: Delta6326
I doubt Nvidia would let some thing like this happen. Even if its the same card.
For all we know they could have looked into the coding of GPU-Z and checked what W1zz has the 770 guesstimate specs and then changed the bios to show up like this...
Whilst this bios is exactly what bta says it is this is still the Exact type of thing nvidia loves to and often does ie new bios on old chip = new card = more cash.
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#16
KashunatoR
my 680 already does 1267/7000 on a custom bios, so the only upgrade for me would be a 780 or titan, right?
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#17
W1zzard
by: theoneandonlymrk
Whilst this bios is exactly what bta says it is this is still the Exact type of thing nvidia loves to and often does ie new bios on old chip = new card = more cash.
Titan brought a new Boost algorithm, so it's only reasonable to expect that GeForce 700 uses the same algorithm, or an even more advanced one.

But you are right of course, it's a business model that exists everywhere and will continue while people buy new products.
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#18
Kaynar
So in fact the GTX770 will be a "GTX680 GHZ edition", like AMD did with their cards?
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#19
HumanSmoke
by: Kaynar
So in fact the GTX770 will be a "GTX680 GHZ edition", like AMD did with their cards?
Technically the GTX 680 is already a Gigahertz edition (1006 MHz base frequency), although I'm hoping that Nvidia raise the base clock to 1111 for the 770...just b'cos
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#20
Kaynar
by: HumanSmoke
Technically the GTX 680 is already a Gigahertz edition (1006 MHz base frequency), although I'm hoping that Nvidia raise the base clock to 1111 for the 770...just b'cos
http://i.imgur.com/t23gzBW.gif
Yeah I'm just talking about the principle of releasing a card which simply has higher clocks than the previous model and a few more software tricks. If they actually sell it at the same price as current GTX680 and lower the price of the 600series it could work well for nVidia.
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#21
SIGSEGV
by: CD via S|A said

Get a Nvidia GTX770 free! Bios flash and GTX680 not included but required.
Same old renaming scam, new silicon my *ss
LoL, so true..
at the end of the article he also said an interesting words : "Enjoy Your Flashing" :laugh:
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#22
erocker
by: Kaynar
So in fact the GTX770 will be a "GTX680 GHZ edition", like AMD did with their cards?
Just as much as this means that Nvidia will be buying out AMD. Get your 8970 with CUDA cores!!!

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#23
Kaynar
by: erocker
Just as much as this means that Nvidia will be buying out AMD. Get your 8970 with CUDA cores!!!

http://www.techpowerup.com/img/13-05-14/HD8970.jpg
hahah ye ok.

That just reminds me of a friend few days ago who showed me GPU-z pic from Ocaholic where we could see a GTX780 with 6GB RAM and DX12 support. And was like: don't these guys on this site check what they are uploading? (they were really convinced it was a valid rumor even with that DX12 lol)
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#25
HumanSmoke
by: SIGSEGV
[quote="SIGSEGV, post: 2902277"]Originally Posted by CD via S|A said
Get a Nvidia GTX770 free! Bios flash and GTX680 not included but required.
Same old renaming scam, new silicon my *ss
LoL, so true..
at the end of the article he also said an interesting words : "Enjoy Your Flashing" :laugh:[/quote]Meanwhile, AMD pretty much do the exact same thing, and...
AMD is going to be launching Tahiti 2 in the near future, at least according to almost every board maker in Taipei. T2 to T1 in silicon isn’t anything like T2 was to T1 in the movies, but there is a lot of good here.
End result...likely to be called HD7970 GHz edition as is all the rage nowadays... it should run at the same TDP or less than current Tahitis. That means no board changes, no cooler changes, and likely no memory changes either, but all of those things are just fine the way they are now.
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