Thursday, June 13th 2013

AMD Reveals Additional Details Regarding Its FX-9000 Series Processors

It appears that the recently announced FX-9590 and FX-9370 processors will be available through system integrators only, with no plans for retail at this time. In a discussion with the folks at The Tech Report, an unnamed AMD source was quoted saying the two new processors will be "available from system integrators globally beginning this summer," while adding that "AMD is considering all options" when asked about retail. During the same discussion the rumored "~220W" TDP was confirmed, which could hint to the reason why these chips might not see retail, requiring advanced cooling solutions, expensive and difficult to integrate into a typical retail package. The discussion also revealed the base clocks of both chips, in the FX-9370's case it being 4.4 Ghz while the FX-9590 boasting a base clock of 4.7 Ghz, in both cases Turbo Boost upping the clocks by 300 Mhz, to 4.7 Ghz and 5 Ghz, respectively.

Source: The Tech Report
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38 Comments on AMD Reveals Additional Details Regarding Its FX-9000 Series Processors

#1
TheinsanegamerN
so, its not a 5 ghz chip, but rather a 4.7 ghz chip that can turbo to 5 ghz? and the 8350 can already hit that speed via overclocking... :banghead:
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#2
drdeathx
by: TheinsanegamerN
so, its not a 5 ghz chip, but rather a 4.7 ghz chip that can turbo to 5 ghz? and the 8350 can already hit that speed via overclocking... :banghead:
Noway:slap:
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#4
Batou1986
amd 8000 series gpu are re-badge
amd 9000 series cpu are re-badge
why is anyone surprised by this
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#5
tt_martin
by: Batou1986
amd 8000 series gpu are re-badge
show me
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#6
m1dg3t
by: drdeathx
Noway:slap:
by: TheinsanegamerN
yes way. :nutkick:
Bogus! :clap:

Just carryin' on the "Excellent Adventure"! :rockout:

by: tt_martin
show me
The mobile hd8xx0 are respins of current silicone
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#7
LAN_deRf_HA
Which reminds me weren't they supposed to show the 8000 series re-badges at e3?
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#8
cadaveca
My name is Dave
by: LAN_deRf_HA
Which reminds me weren't they supposed to show the 8000 series re-badges at e3?
Dell already sells them, FYI.

by: tt_martin
show me
Check out Alienware desktops. Or:


http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/8000/pages/8000-series.aspx#3

^^
For full specification lsitings, direct from AMD, site has been up for months now. HD 8970 and HD 8950 have been shipping in Alienware desktops for a while now, too. Lenovo also sells them.
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#9
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
by: TheinsanegamerN
so, its not a 5 ghz chip, but rather a 4.7 ghz chip that can turbo to 5 ghz? and the 8350 can already hit that speed via overclocking... :banghead:
The original thread said that it only boosts to 5ghz. Welcome to the thread :laugh:
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#10
Jorge
It was always reported that the FX-9590 would run @ 5.0 GHz. in Turbo mode, not as a base clock. I don't believe the 220w is actually TDP but in fact total consumed power, which is not the same as TDP. Many people including me are running OC'd FX-8350's @ 4.7+ GHZ. on highend air cooling and even under 25 hours of P95 stress testing the CPU does not overheat. There is no reason to think the actual TDP on the FX-9590 is above 165w, IME.

Thus I don't believe these chips will need a new mobo nor special cooling. Highend AM3+ mobo's with good VRM circuits are not having issues @ 4.7+ GHz. with Vishera so I expect them to run the FX-9590 without issue. If OC'ers want to try and run these at more than 5.2 GHz. then chilled water or more exotic cooling would be in order, but not for gaming or typical desktop use, IMO. I expect the gaming PC providers will use CLC cooling to up the price and make their wares seem "exotic" to those who don't know that extensive testing has confirmed that most CLCs are actually thermally inferior to highend HSFs.

Kudos to AMD for delivering the first 5.0 GHz. x86 based desktop processor for consumer PCs.
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#11
de.das.dude
Pro Indian Modder
200w tdp... thats a bit of a punch to the stomach.

by: drdeathx
Noway:slap:
i have seen 4350s and 4100s hit 5ghz. :/ :slap:
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#12
Jorge
by: de.das.dude
i have seen 4350s and 4100s hit 5ghz. :/ :slap:
Yes but they ain't 8-core CPUs. ;) it takes a lot to run an 8-core X86 based CPU @ 5.0 GHz. not overclocked.

Folks are OC'ing FX-8350's to 5.0 GHz. on occasion and many to 4.7 GHz. as a std. operating frequency.
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#13
de.das.dude
Pro Indian Modder
more mayhem madness

by: m1dg3t
The mobile hd8xx0 are respins of current silicon
ftfy
silicone is the stuff you put in boob XD

by: TheinsanegamerN
so, its not a 5 ghz chip, but rather a 4.7 ghz chip that can turbo to 5 ghz? and the 8350 can already hit that speed via overclocking... :banghead:
you do understand that the higher the stock clock the more it will overclock?

this is always a certain % you are sure to get out of a CPU. around 15-30% of the stock clock.
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#14
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
by: de.das.dude
you do understand that the higher the stock clock the more it will overclock?

this is always a certain % you are sure to get out of a CPU. around 15-30% of the stock clock.
That's not always true...The entire K8 series would typically clock the same.
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#15
Jorge
by: de.das.dude
you do understand that the higher the stock clock the more it will overclock?

this is always a certain % you are sure to get out of a CPU. around 15-30% of the stock clock.
I highly doubt that people will be able to get 10% more (P95 stable), from the FX-9590's when OC'd, unless they use chilled water or better cooling. I'm sure these are very carefully binned CPUs.
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#16
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
by: Jorge
It was always reported that the FX-9590 would run @ 5.0 GHz. in Turbo mode, not as a base clock. I don't believe the 220w is actually TDP but in fact total consumed power, which is not the same as TDP. Many people including me are running OC'd FX-8350's @ 4.7+ GHZ. on highend air cooling and even under 25 hours of P95 stress testing the CPU does not overheat. There is no reason to think the actual TDP on the FX-9590 is above 165w, IME.

Thus I don't believe these chips will need a new mobo nor special cooling. Highend AM3+ mobo's with good VRM circuits are not having issues @ 4.7+ GHz. with Vishera so I expect them to run the FX-9590 without issue. If OC'ers want to try and run these at more than 5.2 GHz. then chilled water or more exotic cooling would be in order, but not for gaming or typical desktop use, IMO. I expect the gaming PC providers will use CLC cooling to up the price and make their wares seem "exotic" to those who don't know that extensive testing has confirmed that most CLCs are actually thermally inferior to highend HSFs.

Kudos to AMD for delivering the first 5.0 GHz. x86 based desktop processor for consumer PCs.
No AMD stock heatsink would handle this type of clock speed. A tower style 120mm heatsink is special cooling. Try fitting that into a retail CPU box, it isn't going to happen.

They really only have two option for retail release. Put the processor out without a heatsink, or bundle their AIO water cooler with them. Both have been done with varying success before.
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#17
Jorge
by: newtekie1
No AMD stock heatsink would handle this type of clock speed. A tower style 120mm heatsink is special cooling. Try fitting that into a retail CPU box, it isn't going to happen.

They really only have two option for retail release. Put the processor out without a heatsink, or bundle their AIO water cooler with them. Both have been done with varying success before.
No one said anything about a "stock AMD heatsink". This CPU is special and I expect that if AMD decides to sell it retail then they will bundle it with a CLC type cooler as they offered for the FX-8150. There are several tower coolers that will cool the FX-9590. I don't think packaging a cooler with this CPU is an issue. To prevent some people from using an insufficient cooling system, AMD may just sell the FX-9590 as a bundle if they decide at all to sell it retail.
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#18
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
by: Jorge
No one said anything about a "stock AMD heatsink". This CPU is special and I expect that if AMD decides to sell it retail then they will bundle it with a CLC type cooler as they offered for the FX-8150. There are several tower coolers that will cool the FX-9590. I don't think packaging a cooler with this CPU is an issue. To prevent some people from using an insufficient cooling system, AMD may just sell the FX-9590 as a bundle if they decide at all to sell it retail.
Or sell it like they sell some of the opterons WOF.
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#19
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
by: Jorge
No one said anything about a "stock AMD heatsink". This CPU is special and I expect that if AMD decides to sell it retail then they will bundle it with a CLC type cooler as they offered for the FX-8150. There are several tower coolers that will cool the FX-9590. I don't think packaging a cooler with this CPU is an issue. To prevent some people from using an insufficient cooling system, AMD may just sell the FX-9590 as a bundle if they decide at all to sell it retail.
No one said a tower cooler wouldn't cool the FX-9590. However, a tower cooler or an AIO Liquid cooler are both special coolers. Your claim was that no special cooler would be required, which is wrong. If no special cooler was required then the stock AMD heatsink would be sufficient. I'd like to see you run an Vishera at 5.0GHz on the standard stock AMD heatsink to back up your assertion that no special cooling would be required.
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#20
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
by: newtekie1
No one said a tower cooler wouldn't cool the FX-9590. However, a tower cooler or an AIO Liquid cooler are both special coolers. Your claim was that no special cooler would be required, which is wrong. If no special cooler was required then the stock AMD heatsink would be sufficient. I'd like to see you run an Vishera at 5.0GHz on the standard stock AMD heatsink to back up your assertion that no special cooling would be required.
I still like the less expensive WOF option :laugh:
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#21
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
by: cdawall
I still like the less expensive WOF option :laugh:
I agree actually.
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#22
arbiter
by: Jorge
No one said anything about a "stock AMD heatsink". This CPU is special and I expect that if AMD decides to sell it retail then they will bundle it with a CLC type cooler as they offered for the FX-8150. There are several tower coolers that will cool the FX-9590. I don't think packaging a cooler with this CPU is an issue. To prevent some people from using an insufficient cooling system, AMD may just sell the FX-9590 as a bundle if they decide at all to sell it retail.
From what i heard there will be no Retail of this cpu, it will only be sold as part of a system. So that board and cooling can be controlled due to the amount of power this cpu is said to need. Not every AM3 board will be able to provide the power this things needs to run. And AMD has been selling some their CPU's with branded water coolers so i would expect that to be what comes with it.
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#23
marsey99
by: TheinsanegamerN
so, its not a 5 ghz chip, but rather a 4.7 ghz chip that can turbo to 5 ghz? and the 8350 can already hit that speed via overclocking... :banghead:
so does that mean intel chips dont run at 3.5/3.6ghz as they only turbo to it too?

:nutkick:
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#24
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
by: arbiter
From what i heard there will be no Retail of this cpu, it will only be sold as part of a system. So that board and cooling can be controlled due to the amount of power this cpu is said to need. Not every AM3 board will be able to provide the power this things needs to run. And AMD has been selling some their CPU's with branded water coolers so i would expect that to be what comes with it.
Newegg gets OEM CPU's pretty consistently now. They are sold WOF (yet again) in a plastic sleeve with a little brand sticker. There is no reason this CPU cannot be sold that way. Also even if it is not dropped into retail channels ebay sellers typically don't care. Hence were I got my OEM only CPU.
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#25
Tatty_One
Senior Moderator
by: TheinsanegamerN
so, its not a 5 ghz chip, but rather a 4.7 ghz chip that can turbo to 5 ghz? and the 8350 can already hit that speed via overclocking... :banghead:
But 90% of PC users don't overclock.... unless of course you have a perosanl contract with AMD??
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