Friday, October 18th 2013

NVIDIA Announces GeForce GTX 780 Ti to Counter Radeon R9 290X

With benchmarks of the Radeon R9 290X doing rounds, it's getting increasingly clear that NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 780 won't remain competitive with the Radeon R9 290X for too long; and the R9 290X isn't competitive with the GeForce GTX TITAN enough to warrant a price-cut for the $999.99 SKU. NVIDIA's solution to the tangle is a newer SKU that replaces the GTX 780 from its current $649.99 price-point, which trades blows with the R9 290X. Called GeForce GTX 780 Ti, the SKU could be an overclocked GTX 780, or one that ships with a few more CUDA cores. NVIDIA didn't reveal any technical specifications, other than posting a teaser picture CGI render. To quote NVIDIA on this, "Stay tuned for details."
Add your own comment

128 Comments on NVIDIA Announces GeForce GTX 780 Ti to Counter Radeon R9 290X

#1
End0rphine
by: HumanSmoke


But of course I realise that my situation might not be indicative of the majority of people also looking at the cards, and tend to weight any judgement on a larger market that tends to influence the bulk of sales.
Check out this 780gtx HumanSmoke. It seems much cheaper than what appears on that online shop aggregating site.

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=24542
Posted on Reply
#2
the54thvoid
by: Naito
Considering the fact the card is a GTX *70 series SKU, I'd be more inclined to say it replaced that GTX 670, especially as they were both released at the $400US price mark. It's fair to say the GTX 680 never had a direct replacement if you look at pricing.
The 770 is the same card as the 680 but with higher custom clocks. It is the replacement as such, but in ranking it's now 3rd in the 7xx series line (770,780 & titan). So i know where you're coming from.
Posted on Reply
#3
Naito
by: the54thvoid
The 770 is the same card as the 680 but with higher custom clocks.
I understand this, but from a tier and pricing point, it has replaced the GTX 670.

by: the54thvoid
It is the replacement as such, but in ranking it's now 3rd in the 7xx series line (770,780 & titan). So i know where you're coming from.
Ok, sorry, gotcha. Had to re-read that....

GTX 670 ($400) < GTX 680 ($500) < GTX 690 ($1000)

GTX 770 ($400) < GTX 780 ($650) < GTX TITAN ($1000)

EDIT: Yeah, from a performance and hardware point of view, it replaced the GTX 680.
Posted on Reply
#4
NeoXF
by: HumanSmoke
Really? MIR's don't count? And even if they did you can apply them to products that they aren't advertised for!

/bookmarked for humour value and future reference.
I don't see how they would, are R7/R9s not eligible for MIRs in the long run or what? By the end of the year, we'll see plenty of special deals on the new cards as well, so... ? But I do like how you reply to only what you want, probably the weakest link in your vision, in the whole statement. It sure does boost your credibility even further!

by: freakshow
damn it and i just bought my 780...............
by: PatoRodrigues
And i just bought 2 780's... You've got to be kidding me. :rolleyes:
Haha... Who buys high-end video cards in the middle of a freaking PRICE WAR!? And to a lesser degree/importance... performance 'crown' pursuit. I don't feel sorry for you guys, that's for sure. :p
Posted on Reply
#5
HumanSmoke
by: End0rphine
Check out this 780gtx HumanSmoke. It seems much cheaper than what appears on that online shop aggregating site.

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=24542
Cheers for that. Unfortunately it doesn't look like PC Casegear ship across the ditch. Going through a regular etailer also means that any card would get hit with our 15% goods and services tax (GST) based on the value of the card + shipping cost.

I usually import direct from Hong Kong/Singapore/China unless its an EVGA card- then I buy direct and use freight forwarding to New Zealand*

* Note to Am* : Newegg don't ship internationally let alone 10,500km to New Zealand, so Newegg don't actually feature for me personally even if their pricing is the standard quote for many tech sites.
Posted on Reply
#6
1d10t
by: btarunr
What AMD could do now to collapse NVIDIA's house of cards is price the R9 290X at $499.
Naaah...that's too far.Just set R9 290X at $549 ,R9 290 at $449 and later launch R9 290X GHz edition to counter 780Ti at $599.That's more than sufficient to shake nVidia ground :D

by: Mathragh
Soo, did anyone notice some of the early benchies of R9 290X showed something called "Quiet mode"?.
I wonder whether it'll make a big difference(10%?), and if NVidia aims the 780Ti to compete with the performance in quiet mode(if real), or with the R9 290X running full throttle.
So if 780 OC nearly on par with Titan and compete with R290X,isn't obvious 780Ti OC will surpass both Titan and R9 290X?Ouch...
Posted on Reply
#7
HumanSmoke
by: NeoXF
[quote="HumanSmoke, post: 2999523"][quote="NeoXF, post: 2999497"][quote="HumanSmoke, post: 2999479"]Newegg lists six (6) HD 7970 SKUs cheaper than the cheapest R9-280X
Newegg lists both GTX 680's cheaper than the cheapest GTX 770
So much for that hypothesis.
Let me guess...Newegg doesn't count. The only place that counts is the store where you found GTX 680's costing more than GTX 770's and 280X cheaper than 7970's. AMIRITE!
And BTW, I only see ONE card being cheaper than Radeon R9 280Xs (mail-in rebates and special deals don't count, in case logic escapes some people, as I can apply those same discounts to the new cards as well)[/quote]Really? MIR's don't count? And even if they did you can apply them to products that they aren't advertised for![/quote]I don't see how they would, are R7/R9s not eligible for MIRs in the long run or what? By the end of the year...[/quote]Who mentioned anything about the end of the year? :shadedshu Am*'s assertion was based upon the pricing structure NOW...not some time in the future...and you know what? I don't see any MIR's attached to 280X cards NOW- not that it should make any difference to your argument since as far as you're concerned "they don't count".
Even if your pal was referring to some nebulous future timeframe, as far as years end is concerned I doubt that most etailers would even have an EOL'ed GTX 680 for sale...and that's assuming that all the other pricing structures haven't budged in 2.5 months :rolleyes: - so the assertion would be moot anyway. If you guys are going to tag-team troll you really should get on the same page strategy-wise because ATM its less Socratic method than Keystone Cops Meets Benny Hill.

Cheers for the crazy logic trip anyhow. Almost as awesome as the "MIR's and specials don't count". Maybe you should tell that to people who actually buy components when they are on special and collect on MIR's. Let me guess...where you live nobody does either :rolleyes:REAL MEN PAY FULL PRICE!!!! :laugh:
Posted on Reply
#8
NeoXF
by: HumanSmoke
:Stupid-ass-long nested quote stack:
Uh... yeah, whatever you say, buddy. :confused:

..DAFUQ ...you need help.
Posted on Reply
#9
Mindweaver
Moderato®™
I suggest everyone to stay on topic with out insulting other members. This is your first, and last warning.
Posted on Reply
#10
Ravenas
by: newtekie1
That is pretty much the way with all tech.
Yup. It's worse from companies like Apple, Intel, Nvidia due to their market position and worth. They have comfort to charge more markup on their products due to customer perception and dominance.
Posted on Reply
#11
Live OR Die
I just brought a EVGA GTX 780 in the last few days looks like Step-Up for me.
Posted on Reply
#12
NeoXF
Fact of the matter is, I don't see how nVidia can come up with ~25%+ more performance out of what is supposedly maxed out tech anyway. Just look at GTX 770 vs GTX 780, spec wise they look worlds apart, but performance-wise, not all that much... and it only gets even worse from then on... I can see maybe 7GHz GDDR5... more cores and maybe 4,5GB VRAM... but that's it, TITAN is a staple that you won't get anything spectacular anyway.

But guess what, it's still some kind of progress, performance and price wise at least, and I'll be damned if that will ever be a bad thing.
Posted on Reply
#13
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
by: 1d10t
...launch R9 290X GHz edition...
R9 290X already runs at GHz clock speeds? What if "Hawaii" really has 48 CUs?
Posted on Reply
#14
xorbe
Man what a tempest in a teapot on every forum. I'd wager 95% of users are served by something like a 660 anyways. This is like the hyperbike arguments on the 250cc forums ... (yes, my Titan cost like half of my 250 hahaha.)

Anyways, 290X and 780Ti about to drop, good times for enthusiasts! :cool:
Posted on Reply
#15
HD64G
If 290X is 10% faster than 780, then it will be equal to Titan for a great amount of money less. Titan will be obsolete then for no-fanboy-buyers. And I expect 290X to be well over that percentage faster than 780. And especially in eyefinity it will be miles ahead of everything else.
Posted on Reply
#16
Slomo4shO
by: PopcornMachine
Yep, they could.

Will they. No, they're just as greedy as the other guys.
You truly have no idea how businesses are run do you? AMD finally turned a profit this quarter after being in the red for a while. Do people not have any understanding of economics? :banghead:
Posted on Reply
#17
the54thvoid
by: HD64G
If 290X is 10% faster than 780, then it will be equal to Titan for a great amount of money less. Titan will be obsolete then for no-fanboy-buyers..
:laugh:

290X did not make the Titan an obsolete card. The GTX 780 custom models did. Hell, the best 3 Nvidia cards currently are probably: GTX 780 Classified, GTX 780 Lightning and GTX 780 Galaxy HOF Edition.
Titan has no relevance for gaming only anymore unless you game at massive resolution or multi screen or in set ups with modded games running heavy memory requirements.

And again with this 'fanboy' nonsense. Most folk I know (through TPU and OCN) that bought Titans had 7970's. That's not fanboy behaviour.

Defending a brand without recourse to logic or blind denial of reasoned discussion is fanboy behaviour.
Posted on Reply
#18
radrok
by: the54thvoid
:laugh:

290X did not make the Titan an obsolete card. The GTX 780 custom models did. Hell, the best 3 Nvidia cards currently are probably: GTX 780 Classified, GTX 780 Lightning and GTX 780 Galaxy HOF Edition.
Titan has no relevance for gaming only anymore unless you game at massive resolution or multi screen or in set ups with modded games running heavy memory requirements.

And again with this 'fanboy' nonsense. Most folk I know (through TPU and OCN) that bought Titans had 7970's. That's not fanboy behaviour.

Defending a brand without recourse to logic or blind denial of reasoned discussion is fanboy behaviour.
Well said.

It's not like people gain anything in defending X or Y brand.
Posted on Reply
#19
jihadjoe
by: NeoXF
Fact of the matter is, I don't see how nVidia can come up with ~25%+ more performance out of what is supposedly maxed out tech anyway. Just look at GTX 770 vs GTX 780, spec wise they look worlds apart, but performance-wise, not all that much... and it only gets even worse from then on... I can see maybe 7GHz GDDR5... more cores and maybe 4,5GB VRAM... but that's it, TITAN is a staple that you won't get anything spectacular anyway.

But guess what, it's still some kind of progress, performance and price wise at least, and I'll be damned if that will ever be a bad thing.
All Nvidia has to do is lift their power budget/cap, and allow their partners to make custom boards with more/bigger power phases. Like AMD has done from the start.

770 vs 780 is a mere 20W difference in power, and that artificial 250W limit carefully imposed via GPU Boost 2.0 is definitely holding back GK110 so the performance is a lot closer to GK104 than it otherwise should be.
Posted on Reply
#20
NeoXF
by: btarunr
R9 290X already runs at GHz clock speeds? What if "Hawaii" really has 48 CUs?
Yeah... and 192(or more) TMUs, ROP is fine. As for the memory, I find it pretty plausible to see 6 (R9 280X) 6,5 (R7 260X) or even 7GHz clocked GDDR5s on them... Hell, some custom GTX 770 come with 7280MHz on them as is.

290X... 290XT... 290XTX!!!

Anyway, where was I... :drool:


I also suspect AMD to go back to a 384bit next gen... with GDDR6 of course... :D
nVidia might have to wait untill Volta to start using GDDR6 tho.
Posted on Reply
#21
buggalugs
Yep, AMD have the 290X, NVidia answer with the 780Ti, then AMD answer with 290 XT then Nvidia do a 780 STFU edition, then AMD can do a 290XTX FU edition. Personally Im waiting for the 290XTX Ass Reamer edition.
Posted on Reply
#22
HumanSmoke
by: buggalugs
Personally Im waiting for the 290XTX Ass Reamer edition.
If AMD don't cash in by offering a T-shirt with the card then they're missing a golden opportunity
Posted on Reply
#23
Tonduluboy
Well a lot of Nvidia fan boys here... Im using GTX 670 but im not Nvidia Fan. Bought it coz 670 on sale during that time... It was way cheaper compare to 7970 Ghz ed.

My only 2 cents is, without AMD, can u imagine what kind of price Nvidia will be charging to customer? Amd help the market to be realistic as possible. Without AMD, Nvidia will be selling GTX 780 at USD$1000 each...
Posted on Reply
#24
1d10t
by: btarunr
R9 290X already runs at GHz clock speeds? What if "Hawaii" really has 48 CUs?
Nope.Hawaii only had 384 bit wide memory :laugh:

[RIGHT]runnn...:respect:[/RIGHT]
Posted on Reply
#25
haswrong
by: Slomo4shO
You truly have no idea how businesses are run do you? AMD finally turned a profit this quarter after being in the red for a while. Do people not have any understanding of economics? :banghead:
where are you from? and please, dont say the usa with :shadedshu 17trillion debt outstanding.. is that a result of how you understand economics?


by: buggalugs
Yep, AMD have the 290X, NVidia answer with the 780Ti, then AMD answer with 290 XT then Nvidia do a 780 STFU edition, then AMD can do a 290XTX FU edition. Personally Im waiting for the 290XTX Ass Reamer edition.
(A)ss
(R)immer
(S)pecial
(E)dition
on x-fire?


by: Tonduluboy
..can u imagine what kind of price Nvidia will be charging to customer? Amd help the market to be realistic as possible. Without AMD, Nvidia will be selling GTX 780 at USD$1000 each...
thatd be the special giveaway price for children in africa. the pricing in €uro-americo-asian space would be multiplied by a coeficient of advanced civilisation or "c.o.a.c." + the ugly bureaucratic v.a.t. taxes in €u..



by: NeoXF
Yeah... and 192(or more) TMUs, ROP is fine. As for the memory, I find it pretty plausible to see 6 (R9 280X) 6,5 (R7 260X) or even 7GHz clocked GDDR5s on them... Hell, some custom GTX 770 come with 7280MHz on them as is.
i read that amd found higher clocks on their bus design unstable. they should ask nvidia for an education course on how to create power efficient chip design and high frequency bus.. only after that, amd can take the lead..
Posted on Reply
Add your own comment