Hitman_Actualyawn, already developed by Nvidia (pascal)

Hitman_Actualyawn, already developed by Nvidia (pascal)

SteevoA die respin with less memory interface and another set of cores in its place, or some extra on die memory, or lots of tweaks with that much real estate to use.

At the worst we have some extra cores, at the best we have better thermals. Either of which could mean higher performance, in the middle it could be a smaller cooler die and cost less too.

buildzoidProof that the Hawaii cores on R9 295X2 pull less than 200W each
So ram power draw = 50/0.85 = 58W
GPU power draw = 200/0.85 = 236W
236W+236W+58W = 528W
W1zz's review says that peak gaming is 500W so my numbers are a little too big.
That means that AMD has a stock pile of sub 200W Hawaii chips so this could very easily be a 1100mhz or 1150mhz Hawaii chip.
The last option is that AMD has gone to GloFlo's 28nm SOI which would allow then to clock higher at the cost of a power draw increase and a cost of production increase.

arbiterUm funny how that x2's gpu's pull less then 200watts yet single cards are known to be 300+watter's. With that said most reviews i seen put x2 card at 600+ watts so saying they are under 200 watts is a stretched and AMD saying the card is only 500watt TDP is well given AMD's history of saying TDP is this and it ends up being 20-30% higher, yea.

GhostRyderWell Dual GPU's tend to normally be binned chips that are better power consumption, clocking, and such. Such as the case with this compared to the normal reference 290X chips. That is why in many (If not most) cases the Dual GPU cards use less power (Clock for clock) compared to 2 separate cards. Both Nvidia and AMD do this to try and make the dual GPU cards much more appealing to consumers because they will be better fits in the scenarios that dual GPU cards typically fill (Reduced space for high GPU setups). But also the other thing is your talking about Separate PCB cards and such which are including the total combined power usage of that card (Fan and all the bells and whistles) to a card with 2 GPU's on one PCB cramming everything on one device.

arbiterPoint i mean is if you look at most reviews, the card pulls 600+ watts so hence what i said AMD making claims of xxx TDP when its really higher.

buildzoidI wonder what they will do to get more performance because if there is one thing Hawaii doesn't need then it's memory speed. They've got to either add more cores or clock it 100+mhz higher to catch up to the 780Ti.
Adding cores is unlikely because that would need a new die. And a 10% clockspeed increase would mean that AMD has been with holding some really well binned chips. Which is very likely because the R9 295X2 chips pull less than 200W from the VRM output side since the memory pulls around 50W from the VRM and there is a 10-15% efficiency loss on the VRMs.
Proof that the Hawaii cores on R9 295X2 pull less than 200W each
So ram power draw = 50/0.85 = 58W
GPU power draw = 200/0.85 = 236W
236W+236W+58W = 528W

harry90its about time! nvidia is going down again!!!!!!!!!!! even if its just for a few months.