Thursday, February 22nd 2007

AGP is not dead - Nvidia brings the G84 AGP

According to "the the most reliable source on earth", NVIDIA plans to introduce a DirectX10 and AGP compatible graphics chip in April of this year. The G84 AGP will be pin-compatible to the GeForce 7600 GPU, so it should not be that complicated to build a graphics card around it.Source: TheInquirer
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50 Comments on AGP is not dead - Nvidia brings the G84 AGP

#1
Solaris17
Creator Solaris Utility DVD
to bad i finally made the switch to pci-x :(
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#3
Alec§taar
Excellent!

:)

* & "GOOD NEWS", for AGP using folks!

APK
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#4
mysticjon
dude the inquierer is a tabloid source lol, but yeah an agp version of the G84 pretty damn sweet, only if AMD/ATI would do that same thing with there "low-end" directX 10 vid cards coming out, an AGP version of the X2x00 would be sweet and affordable
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#5
kakazza
by: Solaris17
to bad i finally made the switch to pci-x :(
PCIe it is. PCI-X is something different.



@Topic
Well, hope AGP users will be happy with their crappy mobos ;p
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#6
INSTG8R
Well Kakazza Im interested. My wife is on my old P4 3.2E rig and when I switch to Vista she will get this and I will build new and the old one was going to become an HTPC/Storage Server. NOW I can get a card that will handle HD, video signal etc and I wont need to buy a new rig to get all the features I wanted for it to hook to the rest of my HD home theatre setup.
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#8
WarEagleAU
Bird of Prey
This is good news. I hope they support AGP for many years to come. Well, until no more AGP boards are available to buy by any means :)
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#9
C.Ash
by: zekrahminator
You just want me to stop posting news from the inquirer :p.
The thing about the Inquirer is that.. its not really news, but only speculation. The fact that they report it as news makes them much less reliable. So in theory they are un-reliable sources for specualtion.
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#10
Ketxxx
Heedless Psychic
Time has come for AGP to die, anyone still on AGP are just in self denial :D
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zekrahminator
McLovin
by: C.Ash
The thing about the Inquirer is that.. its not really news, but only speculation. The fact that they report it as news makes them much less reliable. So in theory they are un-reliable sources specualtion.
Still, makes for a great read sometimes :).
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#12
DanTheBanjoman
Señor Moderator
by: Ketxxx
Time has come for AGP to die, anyone still on AGP are just in self denial :D
There are a few AGP boards out there that are not yet obsolete. Workstation boards for example, and those AGP+C2D boards. However, even these boards will become obsolete pretty soon.
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#13
Ketxxx
Heedless Psychic
My point exactly. AGP met its demise before its due originally but its more than made up for that now, it needs to bow out gracefully.
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#14
WolfNippleChips
AGP is NOT DEAD!!!

Accelerated Graphics Port.. why can they make and agp 16x? pointless? to make the board based for gaming, only makes since to have and pathway meant for graphix...It still works unless your going to be playing a game coming out in five years...
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C.Ash
by: WolfNippleChips
Accelerated Graphics Port.. why can they make and agp 16x? pointless? to make the board based for gaming, only makes since to have and pathway meant for graphix...It still works unless your going to be playing a game coming out in five years...
PCIe X16 is AGP x16.. its just a different name for the same eact thing.
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#17
C.Ash
IF the G84 will actually be available for AGP, i think we can assume that it will be the LAST AGP card ever. This is because the most powerfull CPU that can be installed on an a motherboard with AGP (Wich would be socket 478 or 939) cannot handle anything higher than an 8600.
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#18
JC316
Knows what makes you tick
by: C.Ash
IF the G84 will actually be available for AGP, i think we can assume that it will be the LAST AGP card ever. This is because the most powerfull CPU that can be installed on an a motherboard with AGP (Wich would be socket 478 or 939) cannot handle anything higher than an 8600.
So, you don't think an overclocked opteron 165, or San Diego core CPU could handle an 8800? 939 is still quite strong and can handle quite alot.
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#20
Completely Bonkers
by: Ketxxx
Time has come for AGP to die, anyone still on AGP are just in self denial :D
Completely agree and disagree. It's time for a platform upgrade... but those people who are hanging on to AGP are not in denial.

While PCIe is good, but, it isn't much better than PCI for 99.9% of users. It makes a big difference for servers running multiple gigabit networks on RAID arrays. But for the normal user:

1./ The BEST GPU's are able to perform at 95% on PCIe4, and 99% on PCIe8. The bandwodth on PCIe16 just isn't being used.

2./ DDR2 is not better than DDR clock for clock. In fact, slower. Admitedly, DDR2 is more power efficient... but then again... the power savings are miniscule compared to the EXTRA power needed for modern GPU

3./ Many people... incl. my company... have tens of thousands of $ invested in perfectly good AGP DDR systems. It costs a fraction to upgrade a mainboard to Conroe Core 2 Duo capability with GPU and recycle 4GB RAM and a $500 workstation AGP card than replace RAM and AGP.

4./ Until a new platform can outperform by an order of magnitute then there is no reason to change the platform for platform's sake

5./ I'd love to upgrade... but will wait for PCIe v2.00 and DDR3. Both of these are BIGGER upgrades over PCIe and DDR2 than PCIe and DDR2 were over PCI and DDR. >> I'm sorry for you that later this year you will have to throw out all your kit to upgrade again to DDR3 and PCIe16 v2.0
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#21
ktr
and you said it wont happen....now who has the foot in the mouth now!

really, i can find the posts proving this...
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#22
Scavar
Ummm you can put Core 2 Duos on AGP boards, and they easily handle 8800......On particualr boards that support it of course.


That's pretty nifty that they would be supporting AGP for just a bit longer though. It would make the transition to Vista easier for some people I bet.
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#23
Completely Bonkers
There are no 8800 AGP boards... so if you want to run an 8800 you obviously need PCIe16.

But if you are happy with a X1950Pro or X1950XT then these ARE available in AGP. So for the price of an ASROCK board... you can upgrade your CPU or GPU or both whist keeping your existing RAM and/or GPU.

And the ASROCK mainboards take Quad Core 2. Hence you can have a pretty top system without spending a fortune on new RAM or new GPU. You can go Quad Core 2 and still use your 9800 or X800 etc. This is my situation. I have a FireGL X3. I'm very content with it. But I'd like a Quad Core 2 for statistical processing and video encoding. So I can go this route for just $250... take my 4GB across and my FireGL X3 across to the new board.

Anyone else would be spending an extra $400 on RAM and $600 on another CAD GPU. Their spend:$1250. My spend $250. See the difference?
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#24
C.Ash
by: Completely Bonkers
You dont think a Kentsfield Quad Core 2 Duo could handle an AGP? You're completely bonkers. Go to the ASROCK site and look at their RANGE of s775 AGP boards. And I mean RANGE.
AGP cards are made for people with old sockets because the majority of people with AGP have something less than 775.

Obviously they are not going to make an AGP version of the 8800 GTX for the 0.1% of people with 775 and AGP.

Not to mention that motherboards that have AGP and 775 CANNOT support Core 2 Duo and definetely not Quad-Core Kentsfield. They will support Pentium D at the very most, and those arent much better than Pentium 4.
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#25
WolfNippleChips
AGP is NOT DEAD!!!

They do have DDr3 cards out for AGP the card I have (x1600xt XGE)is probobly the cheapest, and as mentioned before the x1950xt etc, So they are also SM3 and are quite capable at perforing in the 7900 series range

5./ I'd love to upgrade... but will wait for PCIe v2.00 and DDR3. Both of these are BIGGER upgrades over PCIe and DDR2 than PCIe and DDR2 were over PCI and DDR. >> I'm sorry for you that later this year you will have to throw out all your kit to upgrade again to DDR3 and PCIe16 v2.0
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