Friday, September 14th 2007

Parent Group Upset Over Wii Gun Controller

Some games for the Wii may not be so family-friendly after all: they require a gun-shaped controller to be played. This is getting parent groups extremely upset. Parent groups claim that this is a "bone-headed idea". Some extremists claim that the Wii gun controller will train kids to aim and shoot, which, according to them, will make them become killers and psychopaths. One "very concerned grandparent" even went as far to proclaim that an application to the NRA should be included with every gun-shaped controller.

A quick glance at the controller, which you can buy here, hardly makes it seem all that bad.


Source: The Inquirer
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96 Comments on Parent Group Upset Over Wii Gun Controller

#1
Mussels
Moderprator
To be honest, i think its good that children learn how to use firearms. not 5 years olds or anything, but say... 12 and up should be allowed to handle air rifles, and 16 and up .22 rifles - single shot, but its a good way to teach them the rules. its the kids who dont learn anything about them in the real world who go nuts when they get one.
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#2

has anyone tried my test yet? i bet that more than half the people on these forums will have problems doing it in under five days.
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KennyT772
by: bassmasta
i have a test for you sir. first, let's collect some information.
1. do you live in the southern states, or a near major city such as brooklyn or new york?
2. do you have a criminal record?
3. do you or do you know people who carry/own weapons?

if you answered yes to any of these, you cannot do this test. what is the test? it's simple.

find a firearm in under five days. go on, do it. i don't really care whether or not you can actually do this as we are on the internet and you can't prove it. but consider that MOST criminals are fairly un-educated and have a hard time problem-solving, and as such will have more of a problem with this than you will. oh, btw, the weapon you find can't be legal. any idiot can order one off the internet, so that doesn't count either.
I own two guns, my mom owns a pistol, stepdad two shotguns, father 5 rifles and shotguns... Does this excuse me from the test? I could easily find a firearm in 3 days based on asking around, then breaking and entering. This would provide me with an illegal untraceable firearm.

Alternatively you could loiter in any store that sells amunition, when someone buys shells you follow them home, wait until they leave after that and break in retreiving their weapon.

Most violent criminals are smart people who will go by any means neccisary to acheive their goals.
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#4
newbielives
I find your argument a little flawed, I think it's the criminals with underground connections that will have a easy time finding firearms where as goody twoshoe citizens like us posting on a tech forum are the ones that will have a hard time finding firearms.

by: bassmasta
has anyone tried my test yet? i bet that more than half the people on these forums will have problems doing it in under five days.
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#5
Chewy
^^ thats right criminals can easily acess a firearm.. thee are a couple criminals/everything pushers around here with automatic riffles that I know of... humm both of them are in jail atm though lol go figure.

yeah it is possible for you regular joe to find a firearm from the streets but you'll be lucky not to get robbed looking for one I think... now when its through a connections connection elc than thats a different story.

thats how I see it though I havent just gone around trying to find a firearm much but when a friend did it was through connections.. guess you could make connections like that by socializing in bad areas lol.
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#6

"do you or do you know anyone who carries a firearm?"

if you have the connections, then you know someone. if you just walk up to someone on the street and ask them, they'll shoot you because they think you're a cop.
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#7
Chewy
I doubt they would just shoot you thinking your a cop cause if your a cop you have back-up.. they would just walk away or more likely tell you to f-off.

depending on how you look who you are elc you might find a firearm wandering the street.. buuy crack get to know peddy crack dealers (puppets). buy some crack off them for a month, they will find you a gun.. but yeah going around in the hood just randomly asking if anyone can hook you up with a gun wont get you one lol.. though I worked with some people who said just go up this street and you can get a gun.. though you'll most likey just wlak into a crackhead who will get you robbed :P

I get what your getting at now, yeah those people who say you can just go into the "hood" and find yourself a gun are prob wrong.. there are guns but non for some stranger to buy... woould be a super rare circumstance atleast in Canada.
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#8
Heldelance
Bleh, this argument is so old yet the whingers that are against violence in games can't get anything through their yeast encrusted jello skulls.

Computer game violence is a good thing, it allows people to vent their frustrations onto a graphical medium rather than keeping it in and most likely snapping and going on a killing spree.
Should we have more violent and bloody games? Hell yes! I'm goddamned pissed off that Fallout 3 isn't going to have the whole child killing, drug dealing, alcohol rampaging stuff that made the Fallout world so dark and scary. (Also seems that most companies now have no balls)

Should we have tighter control on games? Yes, yes, oh god, yes. Why are violent games only M15+ or something? most of those kids are still affected by what MTV says and would take some burnt out crack ho's advice as holy writ.

Should shops and companies be blamed for "promoting violence"? No, not at all. Parents nowadays are about as useless as a condom machine in the Vatican. They keep blaming the media and games for their shoddy parenting. When I was a kid, my parents worked damned hard, in most cases, they worked faaaar longer days than almost all the whingers in those groups. I used to watch Robocop, Terminator, and a crapload more violent movies. I ain't a psychopath because 1) I'm wasn't screwed up from the start anyway. and 2) despite the fact that they didn't have much time on their hands, my parents still managed to bring me up well and teach me that real violence ain't good for you or anyone around you.
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#9
aximbigfan
by: bassmasta
i have a test for you sir. first, let's collect some information.
1. do you live in the southern states, or a near major city such as brooklyn or new york?
2. do you have a criminal record?
3. do you or do you know people who carry/own weapons?

if you answered yes to any of these, you cannot do this test. what is the test? it's simple.

find a firearm in under five days. go on, do it. i don't really care whether or not you can actually do this as we are on the internet and you can't prove it. but consider that MOST criminals are fairly un-educated and have a hard time problem-solving, and as such will have more of a problem with this than you will. oh, btw, the weapon you find can't be legal. any idiot can order one off the internet, so that doesn't count either.
1. no
2. no
3. yes

I know at least 10 people who own/carry guns. me beign one of them. and I dont get the point your your fucking test.

chris
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#10
Chewy
I think not sure though he was pointing this towards people who say you can find guns on the street.. I worked with people who memtioned just walk up such and such place and you can buy yourself a gun.. I was like heh, but I think they were wrong now that I think about it. :P

yeah so I think he was referrign that to someone who mentioned that "you can find guns on the street" but I havent gone back through the thread to check for sure :P
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#11
Wile E
Power User
by: bassmasta
"do you or do you know anyone who carries a firearm?"

if you have the connections, then you know someone. if you just walk up to someone on the street and ask them, they'll shoot you because they think you're a cop.
How many people do you know of that DON'T know of anyone with a firearm? Point being, most people in the US knows someone, or knows someone that knows someone, that has a gun.

And if you walk up to a dealer on the street and ask directly, you deserve to be shot, for being a moron. You ask a connection to ask for you. If you grew up in, or are even just friends with people from the ghetto, you have a connection. I'm willing to bet most people have some sort of connection to the ghetto.

Lastly, what's the point of this test? This test in no way would prove that a real criminal would be unable to get a gun. And whether you want to admit it or not, it's very easy for a real criminal to get a gun. If we were to have no gun carrying rights, where would that leave the general populace in a country that already has plenty of illegal firearms floating around?

Gun control = fail, at least as far as the US is concerned.
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#12

if you need more than 5 days to find a weapon, you're probably taking a few days off work to do it. if you come back and someone dies, they'll ask questions. as for ppl in the states, the northern states have a much better time controlling weapons compared to the southern states.
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KennyT772
by: bassmasta
if you need more than 5 days to find a weapon, you're probably taking a few days off work to do it. if you come back and someone dies, they'll ask questions. as for ppl in the states, the northern states have a much better time controlling weapons compared to the southern states.
Not so true. I have more than a couple of friends with parents who own 50+ unregistered weapons. One of my stepdads vietnam buddys has a highend weapons license with many many guns such as m249's m4-a1's ak47's etc. He doesn't have to register his firearms as terms of his license. One call and I could have a M-16 and two crates of freshly pressed ammo.
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Wile E
Power User
by: bassmasta
if you need more than 5 days to find a weapon, you're probably taking a few days off work to do it. if you come back and someone dies, they'll ask questions. as for ppl in the states, the northern states have a much better time controlling weapons compared to the southern states.
I'm in a northern state. A ghetto is a ghetto, no matter where you go. And again, what does a normal person have to do with a criminal finding a gun? It isn't hard for a normal person to find a gun if they know who to ask, might take longer, but it isn't hard. Where does that leave a real criminal?

The point is, that your point is moot.
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#15
Kreij
Senior Monkey Moderator
I can't think of anyone I know who doesn't own at least one firearm.

5 days ? I could probably fine someone to sell me a gun in a day or less.
Private sales of firearms do not require background checks or registration.
If you are smart, however, you will get signed evidence of who bought the gun in case they in turn sell it and it is eventually used in a crime you have proof of sale.

The only thing gun control does it make it harder for law abiding citizens to purchase guns and ammo for legitimate uses (ie. hunting, personal protection). It does nothing to inhibit criminals from attaining them.
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#16

a normal (by normal, i assume you mean someone who doesn't know what rifle means) person wouldn't know where to find a weapon. then again, i live in canada now. came from africa and my first thought was that these people are retarded... i just never thought i'd get used to it. took me some time to get used to seeing black and white ppl in the same buildings.
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HAL7000
by: bassmasta
i have a test for you sir. first, let's collect some information.
1. do you live in the southern states, or a near major city such as brooklyn or new york?
2. do you have a criminal record?
3. do you or do you know people who carry/own weapons?

if you answered yes to any of these, you cannot do this test. what is the test? it's simple.

find a firearm in under five days. go on, do it. i don't really care whether or not you can actually do this as we are on the internet and you can't prove it. but consider that MOST criminals are fairly un-educated and have a hard time problem-solving, and as such will have more of a problem with this than you will. oh, btw, the weapon you find can't be legal. any idiot can order one off the internet, so that doesn't count either.
This test makes no sense...........it proves nothing. Finding a gun if someone needs one can be done legally. Most educated/uneducated criminals buy their guns legally. Buying a gun on the streets, anyone can do this as long as you have the money and the connections. Going into a bad neighborhood doesn't always mean you're going to find a gun to buy, stereotyping criminals, neighborhoods is very narrow minded thinking.
The saturday night specials are had by bad cops and criminals alike. Gun control is good. We have it. But as long as we have assholes that want to be criminally minded....and use a gun that is innocent of the crime(s)....well again what does your test prove?
By the way, this is for the Wii game controller, and for those assholes that want to try and say it creates a criminally minded person from childhood on up better think about it again and get a life,,,,try taking a area in life that needs policing or speaking out against.
What about the water guns...are they bad as well? It is f==king bullshit for these mundane people with no lives to keep trying to force people to live their boring mundane lives they are apparently unhappy living.
What they really need to do is come out of the closet and admit they game in private…with these controllers…….
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by: HAL7000
This test makes no sense...........it proves nothing. Finding a gun if someone needs one can be done legally. Most educated/uneducated criminals buy their guns legally. Buying a gun on the streets, anyone can do this as long as you have the money and the connections. Going into a bad neighborhood doesn't always mean you're going to find a gun to buy, stereotyping criminals, neighborhoods is very narrow minded thinking.
The saturday night specials are had by bad cops and criminals alike. Gun control is good. We have it. But as long as we have assholes that want to be criminally minded....and use a gun that is innocent of the crime(s)....well again what does your test prove?
By the way, this is for the Wii game controller, and for those assholes that want to try and say it creates a criminally minded person from childhood on up better think about it again and get a life,,,,try taking a area in life that needs policing or speaking out against.
What about the water guns...are they bad as well? It is f==king bullshit for these mundane people with no lives to keep trying to force people to live their boring mundane lives they are apparently unhappy living.
What they really need to do is come out of the closet and admit they game in private…with these controllers…….
well, if you're going to kill someone, it's probably not a good idea to use one that's in you name, so a legal weapon won't work. as for the effectiveness of my test, yes, it is flawed, but there are still more people than you would think that can't pull this off in 5 days
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HAL7000
by: bassmasta
well, if you're going to kill someone, it's probably not a good idea to use one that's in you name, so a legal weapon won't work. as for the effectiveness of my test, yes, it is flawed, but there are still more people than you would think that can't pull this off in 5 days
Pull it off..??.....kill someone...?????????? dammm............the bullet can only lead you to the gun....if someone is going to kill someone, a registered gun will kill just as easy. A legal gun or black market gun does not matter. Most guns used in this capacity are wiped clean and then ditched and are rarely found again.

Because this topic was about a Wii game controller in the shape of a gun, and those who were opposed to it sighting that it is creating a generation of future killers.....is just plain nonsense.
How does your test relate to the game controller and its effects on the children/ adults that will use them?
Will they seek out illegal Wii contraband in less than five days?:wtf:
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#20

no, i think that after the first five posts, this stopped being about the controller. and, even in the middle-east, if a weapon is in your name and you live at the registered address, they can get you from the match between your bullet and weapon serial number. they do not actually need your gun if they have the proper databases set up. canada has these, but i'm not sure about the states.
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GSG-9
by: SpoonMuffin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_Hunt

research b4 you post something as fact, duckhunt was made in 1984

i think you just got pwned by facts, you can appologize to the person you effectivly called a lier now :)
I did not get powned by facts, I said Ness, as opposed to the superness which is what the poster had said. it was unintentionally unspecified as 90s instead of 80s (because I was not looking at a speecific date, just new it was 80s) the fact was that it was not a sness part. So...chill out lol I never called him a lier, I simply hit a 9 instead of an 8.
If I were to be so bold as to post things as fact that I did not know or look up I would also be so bold as to call someone a lier who said otherwise.
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