intel igentthat is one reason i WONT buy Nvidia. the other, they SUCK.
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Its off topic... but sh!t i wish i was a mod, i'd ban every fanboy douche who makes stupid announcements without any facts to back them up.

I wont buy ATI because they dont work widescreen - you cant enable scaling options and have black bars like Nvidia (or ATI mobility products) can, so in your terms "ATI SUCK". for gods sake, grow up and keep this on topic.


On-topic, this is funny. Nvidia 8800GTX cant do that stupid of a res, because its AN OLD CARD. the 2900 came out almost a year later, so of course its going to get picked on for being late, and missing a few features.

MusselsIts off topic... but sh!t i wish i was a mod, i'd ban every fanboy douche who makes stupid announcements without any facts to back them up.

I wont buy ATI because they dont work widescreen - you cant enable scaling options and have black bars like Nvidia (or ATI mobility products) can, so in your terms "ATI SUCK". for gods sake, grow up and keep this on topic.


On-topic, this is funny. Nvidia 8800GTX cant do that stupid of a res, because its AN OLD CARD. the 2900 came out almost a year later, so of course its going to get picked on for being late, and missing a few features.

Funny I have a widescreen????

paul06660Hell even the X850 XT AGP is more powerful than 2 6800's in SLI.
Nvidia is about to get their ass kicked again.

I am an ATI fan, but realistically Nvidia still has the faster card. At the current pricing the 8800gt/3870 are about equal on performance per $. If Nvidia drops back down or ATI raises up Nvidia will still take it. The mid-range 3850 will tear the mid-range Nvidia up, and ATI might even take it on the low end. They don't have the top end yet.

At least ATI is once again competitive and that is great because as somebody else stated the competition drives prices down and performance up.

jpierce55The thing is the 8800 is really a great card and at the original release price smokes the 3870's but now the price is hiked and Nvidia has some competition.

I agree but it's difficult at this stage to compare the 2, unlike the 8800GT, there is not one set of drivers yet released to support the 3870/3850, the drivers that come with the card are a made up set from probably an alpha/beta release of the forthcoming Catalyst 7.11 so no software support yet, a bit like the very early reviews of the 2900XT at it's release, the early benches of that card on pre-release drivers showed aweful performance and all the NVidia owners breathed a sigh of relief..........then 2 weeks later the card really started performing, It will be interesting to see how the 2 cards compare in a few weeks time after a couple of catalyst releases.

ati is trying to put all their eggs in the basket with the R680, they need a new sense of direction to take over the market like they did with R300.

jpierce55Funny I have a widescreen????

Yeah, I was gonna say, I'm happily gaming at 1440x900 ;).

imperialreignAs much as that's true, and nVidia did knowingly say what they did and stout that as being hard fact . . .

. . . ATI just aren't like that. They haven't ever struck me as the type to retaliate in court - they've always turned the other cheek, so-to-say.

TRue, IMO ATi should file a lawsuit tho, if they did I'd put money on nVidia would think twice before trying to pull a stunt like that again. It's probably why nVidia do do it, because they know ATi never do anything. For crying out loud ATi, stand up for yourselves!

paul06660Im pretty sure the 6800's clock was like around the 250mhz range with 8 pixel pipes on the regular. The X850 XT has 520 mhz and 16 Pixel pipes:D. Im pretty sure this is more than twice as fast as one 6800 isnt it?

Vanilla 6800 was 12 pipes with 128MB frame buffer, your thinking of the GS model, which was released some time later to sell off surplus 6800 GPU stocks.

they are trying by releasing better products than the competition, my Adventure started with R300 and up to R570

KetxxxTRue, IMO ATi should file a lawsuit tho, if they did I'd put money on nVidia would think twice before trying to pull a stunt like that again. It's probably why nVidia do do it, because they know ATi never do anything. For crying out loud ATi, stand up for yourselves!

I think it would be a dream come true if ATI would finally do something like that. I know ad wars are nasty, but this takes the cake. If they stand for themselves then there will be no untruthful ads and bashing ads.

Musselssh!t i wish i was a mod, i'd ban every fanboy douche who makes stupid announcements

listen bud i aint no fanboi. thats my opinion. you dont like it FUCK OFF!

you want to call me a douche heres my # 416-8*8-54*5 lets meet up and ill bag ur douche n feed it to ya. PANSY. i live in canada so bring ur toque. prick.

PM me and ill give ya the other 2 #'s so we can meet and exchange pleasantries k sweetlips.


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MusselsIts off topic... but sh!t i wish i was a mod, i'd ban every fanboy douche who makes stupid announcements without any facts to back them up.

Heh, thats one reason why I dont like Nv and was dead against buying any of thier products.. Thier marketing team sucks always giving false/bad information and paying game companies off to promote thier stuff tweak the game so it runs like crap on ati (its happened).

ChewyHeh, thats one reason why I dont like Nv and was dead against buying any of thier products.. Thier marketing team sucks always giving false/bad information and paying game companies off to promote thier stuff tweak the game so it runs like crap on ati (its happened).

Your right on the money... Crysis looks good on an ati card, but with a NVidia card its great... If companies could build for both, than the world would be whole lot better!!! Or just equal...

Titan Quest is a game Im pretty sure was tweaked for Nvidia cards.. my 1900gt was seposed to be more than enough for it but it ran totally crap on it.. yet on a weaker Nv card it ran fine.

intel igentlisten bud i aint no fanboi. thats my opinion. you dont like it FUCK OFF!

you want to call me a douche heres my # 416-8*8-54*5 lets meet up and ill bag ur douche n feed it to ya. PANSY. i live in canada so bring ur toque. prick.

PM me and ill give ya the other 2 #'s so we can meet and exchange pleasantries k sweetlips.


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Can I assume from that.......that your not happy then? :rockout: being not happy is one thing, taking it personally when it was a general comment not aimed specifically at you (and you said UR not a fanboi so it couldnt be aimed at you) but fanboi's in general, and then making threats is un called for.....as you say.........

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For the widescreen argument, Mussels is referring to scaling, not actual widescreen resolutions. ATI automatically stretches a 4:3 signal to fit the entire screen, as opposed to putting it in a letterbox in the center of the screen. I prefer the letterbox, personally, and this is my #1 complaint with ATI drivers.

@ intel igent- come on man, settle down. It's an internet disagreement, don't let it get to you.

I think it would be a dream come true if ATI would finally do something like that. I know ad wars are nasty, but this takes the cake. If they stand for themselves then there will be no untruthful ads and bashing ads.

True, and I do think it would be a wise move on their part to pursue it - but ATI just doesn't stoop to nVidia's level.

Instead, they'll prob retaliate on the same grounds as nVidia - they'll find some claim that nVidia has made about their hardware, and ATI will prove them wrong . . .

. . . or, challenge them to produce those same results in public - while ATI runs those same tests with the same exact hardware. nVidia usually backs down quick whenever ATI has challenged them to a public "shoot out".

ChewyThis is the reson why I dislike Nvidia.. but thier 8800series rocked.. its just like apple thing in my sig, but worst since its a complete lie as nv is notorious for.

It's not like Apple. Apple is a company that builds their computer to work optimally with their OS. They don't have to deal with tons of manufactures like Dell and HP to make their products work on all computers. So in that way, Apple does have an advantage. Meaning, their OS is going to run very well on their computers because they built their computer to work optimally for the OS (which isn't the case for Windows). This is just one advantage Apple has on the market.

Nvidia stooping to this level is ridiculous, and I don't understand way they would. It's not as if ATI has been dominating the market as of recently and for that reason Nvidia would have a reason to create false claims in hopes of hurting ATI's sells. This is just one reason of why I'm regretting my one and only switch to Nvidia...

EDIT: Also, I think that Apple should be saying their product is superior because they don't own half the market that MS does. Therefore, it is in their best interests to do this, mostly because they need the market. Whether in your opinion it is as good, well that's just your opinion.

The point is, Nvidia has no reason to be doing this, especially when their claims are false, because as of right now, they have a lot of the market.

he directly quoted me and called me a douche and a fanboi.

i can GUARANTEE you i am neither.

i dont let crap like that slide. he could have made other comments but HE chose to be the "douchy fanboi".

thnx.

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It's pretty funny how someone can show a picture that is crearly at least a month old, make a biased article and see fanboys arise in anger :roll:

Look at the slide For Gods Sake!!! In the foreground, in transparent green letters we can read: "NVIDIA Confidential Embargo day is Oct 29" So it's obvious this was shown long before AMD released HD3000 series. Can Nvidia ask AMD to send them one of their cards long before they launch them? I don't think so.

So here are the facts:

1. This slide was shown long before HD3000 series were launched.

2. I can't read anywhere in the slide something like: "AMD can't play HD". What I do read is HD2900XT can't reproduce HD content at 2560x1600, something that AFAIK is TRUE.

So time for the fanboys to start THINKING before trying to bash anyone, even NVIDIA. Even if when Nvidia did this, it wasn't a prudent move, because they knew HD3000 series would be able to play at that resolution. Was a good move? Maybe not. Were they saying the truth? YES, back then HD2900XT couldn't do that. Grow up!

PD: I am not a fanboy. I don't side with any brand. But I do side with the truth.

So time for the fanboys to start THINKING before trying to bash anyone, even NVIDIA. Even if when Nvidia did this, it wasn't a prudent move, because they knew HD3000 series would be able to play at that resolution. Was a good move? Maybe not. Were they saying the truth? YES, back then HD2900XT couldn't do that. Grow up!

:wtf: The point most of us are trying to make is that ATI had never stated that the 2900 could display HD content at a screen resolution greater than 1920x2000. But, what nVidia did was state that any HD playback wasn't possible with the 2900 - which is just flat out false. But anyways, nVidia making this statement is a form of mud slinging against ATI to win more customer back to the nVidia aisle. Again, ATI never said the 2900 could display HD content at a screen res bigger than 1920x2000.

even back when that slide was done up by nVidia - OCT 29 - we all knew the 3800 series was coming very shortly. nVidia might not have had the newest meat on the market, but they were trying to showoff that their meat is still the best tasting on the block.

paul06660Hell even the X850 XT AGP is more powerful than 2 6800's in SLI.
Nvidia is about to get their ass kicked again.

do you really have a point not trying to fanboy anything but my 7800GS is faster than a X850 and has SM3 :P which means i can play BIOSHOCK and it cannot


ALSO this is turning into a NV bash party which is crap yea NV fucked up and went to try and point out a flaw in ATi cards Oooo they found one and exploited it that sounds a LOT like every other company on EARTH!!!

cdawalldo you really have a point not trying to fanboy anything but my 7800GS is faster than a X850 and has SM3 :P which means i can play BIOSHOCK and it cannot


ALSO this is turning into a NV bash party which is crap yea NV fucked up and went to try and point out a flaw in ATi cards Oooo they found one and exploited it that sounds a LOT like every other company on EARTH!!!

What's your point lol, most every company gets bashed equally.

imperialreign:wtf: The point most of us are trying to make is that ATI had never stated that the 2900 could display HD content at a screen resolution greater than 1920x2000. But, what nVidia did was state that any HD playback wasn't possible with the 2900 - which is just flat out false. But anyways, nVidia making this statement is a form of mud slinging against ATI to win more customer back to the nVidia aisle. Again, ATI never said the 2900 could display HD content at a screen res bigger than 1920x2000.

even back when that slide was done up by nVidia - OCT 29 - we all knew the 3800 series was coming very shortly. nVidia might not have had the newest meat on the market, but they were trying to showoff that their meat is still the best tasting on the block.

My words are still true. When Nvidia showed that slide it was 25-26 Oct. 8800GT was released 29 Oct. At that time 8800GT was clearly superior to what AMD had to offer at playing HD content at 2560x1600. True?

At that time HD3000 was still vaporware. Final specs weren't official yet. So claiming that 8800GT was the only card OUT capable of doing that is correct. True?

Maybe AMD/ATI haven't done something like that. But what they have done is trying to sell/hype vaporware so many times tht I can't count them right now. They did it with HD2900 and they did it with X1000 series. Months before release they have claimed superiority, in the end and on their price point that ended up being true. But that doesn't change the fact that Ati also used that kind of estrategies in the past. It's easy for a company to release hardware months later and being superior. EDIT: This is so true that Tom's Hardware and other sites refused to make any preview of Ati hardware before they were at retail.

Also I have seen so many times The Inquirer taking someone's words and taking them out of context, that I can imagine them doing the article only out of that slide. It's been done before. Where Nvidia said "HD2900XT can't..." they write "AMD can't"... Hope you understand what I'm saying. Since I haven't read what Nvidia said (and I have searched for another source to this, but found nothing), and the only proof they give us is that slide, I have to think that way. Good periodists and columnists contrast their information. Me too, even if I am not one of them.

Maybe AMD/ATI haven't done something like that. But what they have done is trying to sell/hype vaporware so many times tht I can't count them right now. They did it with HD2900 and they did it with X1000 series. Months before release they have claimed superiority, in the end and on their price point that ended up being true. But that doesn't change the fact that Ati also used that kind of estrategies in the past. It's easy for a company to release hardware months later and being superior. EDIT: This is so true that Tom's Hardware and other sites refused to make any review of Ati hardware before they were at retail.

Also I have seen so many times The Inquirer taking someone's words and taking them out of context, that I can imagine them doing the article only out of that slide. It's been done before. Where Nvidia said "HD2900XT can't..." they write "AMD can't"... Hope you understand what I'm saying. Since I haven't read what Nvidia said (and I have searched for another source to this, but found nothing), and the only proof they give us is that slide, I have to think that way. Good periodists and columnists contrast their information. Me too, even if I am not one of them.

Oh, I completely understand that - any good review of a product should have both sides and not be biased at all. It's partly why if I run across a review of new hardware, I'll immediately dismiss it if they display any ATI or nVidia advertising on their page. They may say they're not biased - but they still might be getting some loot under the table to favor one make over another. I've seen it done a lot in the automotive industry, and I'm sure it happens with other industries, also.

My words are still true. When Nvidia showed that slide it was 25-26 Oct. 8800GT was released 29 Oct. At that time 8800GT was clearly superior to what AMD had to offer at playing HD content at 2560x1600. True?

At that time HD3000 was still vaporware. Final specs weren't official yet. So claiming that 8800GT was the only card OUT capable of doing that is correct. True?

True, and that's fine and good for nVidia - but they're comparing apples and oranges, IMO. The 2900's were released before we were seeing 30" monitors on the market, so how can one expect that hardware to meet those native screen resolutions? But, nVidia doesn't say anything about that.

What nVidia should've done - is wait until the 3800s were released, and comparing the 8800GT to that, instead of jumping the gun. At the end of October, everyone knew the 3800s were right around the corner, ATI even having giving an ETA on them - it's just, no one had any specs, yet - which was just a bit unusual for ATI . . . almost like they were trying to keep the 3800s under wraps for as long as possible . . .