President Bush says Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. Whats your point? :p

Microsoft can hardly make the claim that their software has less flaws when it's closed source. They just wait for someone to find and exploit a flaw before acknowledging and fixing it.

i've never had to pull spyware and viruses out of firefox, whereas IE its common practice... IE is linked with the OS, so i guess MS can just throw the blame around for half of the problems (to their OTHER dodgy products, lol)

OrbitzXTPresident Bush says Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. Whats your point? :p

and president bush is from texas so whats your point?:laugh:

what M$ means is it is more secure for the developer to pump your computer full of tracking cookies, DRM, pop ups, animated noise adverts and etc.

Amen to that.

I have had zero spyware crap on my computer after switching to Firefox years ago. M$ is pulling these numbers out of their hats just to look good, or so it seems.

*sigh* we all know Opera is better than both of them.

Not only that but IE7 IS more secure than FF, if you actually did any research for yourself you'd know that the numbers they apparently "pulled out of nowhere" are in fact true. IE7 is more secure and more compatible with standard tech on the internet. What FF has over IE7 is the multitude of extra plugins which make it more secure, more compatible etc.

You want a secure browser, get Opera.

If you do research on anything you will find anything you want be it but for the majority of FF converts like myself will point out how much less garbage their browsers gather and accumulate when compared to using IE, as for Opera it is a good browser with a very good ad blocking programme built in but the functionality i find to be alien and the user interface is less than appealing.

for some reason i knew this would become a fanboi war:D

AthlonX2for some reason i knew this would become a fanboi war:D

and its all your fault!

IE7 may be more secure, but its how it ties into the OS that makes it less secure - that is IE's fault, and no one elses (toolbars that install, automatically running apps in activeX/java sometimes)

Truly, IE7 is a LOT better than IE6 was - doesnt make it perfect just yet.

Darknova*sigh* we all know Opera is better than both of them.

Not only that but IE7 IS more secure than FF, if you actually did any research for yourself you'd know that the numbers they apparently "pulled out of nowhere" are in fact true. IE7 is more secure and more compatible with standard tech on the internet. What FF has over IE7 is the multitude of extra plugins which make it more secure, more compatible etc.

You want a secure browser, get Opera.

Obviously, there's still overwhelming evidence that IE7 is not more secure (even if it was independent from the OS). Like jocksteeluk said, ask any convert about it (and just b/c it's tied to the OS is not an excuse for lack of security, it's called stupidity). And again, you're wrong, IE7 still doesn't have the level of compatibility to web standards as FF (yes, maybe better than IE6, but still not better than FF, do you see the trend here?). The problem is that retards have been coding for only IE for so long, that FF fails to display those sites correctly, B/C IT IS NOT IN WEB STANDARD FORM. If it was, I'd see all powerpoint/java sites and apps working correctly. You can even tell from the layout/look/feel that the site (that doesn't correctly display in FF) was designed by an idiot.

www.webdevout.net/browser-support-summary The individual scores are not weighted, but you get the idea. It's all over the web. No sense in hiding from the truth that IE7 sucks a big one. Hell, when it came out people were calling to boycott it b/c it was worse than IE6 in some ways and definitely nowhere near FF (or Opera obviously, which was your only qualifying remark).

You are partially right about FF's extensions. They sure do make it even more secure. Hell, with adblock plus, filterset g, no script, and w/e other blocking/supporting ext. you like, there's no way in hell IE can EVER touch that level of security. There's almost no point for me to even run a scan for spyware/malware/etc b/c I NEVER get any haha. Try that with IE. Get back to me when you have to reinstall windows. :laugh:

I try not to be rude, but if you're going to spread FUD, do it on a site with only noobs that will believe your BS.

Not for nothing, but this report is from the same guy who said Vista is more secure than Linux / OSX...also he states less vulneralbilities were fixed in IE7 than FF. Just means they haven't found em all in IE7.

Darknova...IE7 is more secure and more compatible with standard tech on the internet....

"More compatible with standard tech on the internet?" Kinda hard not to be when what Microsoft decides to do becomes the standard, eh? ;)

One thing you have to consider is that IE still has a much greater market share than FF. If more people are using it, more exploits will be written for it.

mdm-adph"More compatible with standard tech on the internet?" Kinda hard not to be when what Microsoft decides to do becomes the standard, eh? ;)

agreed

They are both equally unsecured in my experience. However, I do tend to like the 64-bit IE more than Firefox, simply because of Firefox's memory footprint.

Safari FTW!!

Please keep the MS flaming (or any other flaming) to yourself, if you disagree be constructive. Otherwise I'll have to start erasing a lot of posts.

I find it amusing that people can get so passionately inflamed over a web browser.

I use IE7 exclusively. No problems at all.
I tried FF but didn't really find it any more useful than IE (which I was used to).

REALLY? I have Mozilla Firefox...OH NO...:(

gamer210One thing you have to consider is that IE still has a much greater market share than FF. If more people are using it, more exploits will be written for it.

Exploits are not written they are used :nutkick:

P.S. having greater market share doesn't give one the right to ignore standarts :rolleyes: it is sometimes a real nightmare to adjust code for IE...

wazzledoozleThey just wait for someone to find and exploit a flaw before acknowledging and fixing it.

Duh... What the hell else are they supposed to do? If nobody finds the flaws, nobody will fix it. Same goes for every browser, OS, and every other piece of software on the face of the earth.

Microsoft is right. There are security holes in FF, but no one knows about them.