Tuesday, January 8th 2008

Microsoft Says There Will Be No HD DVD Xbox

Despite rumors to the contrary, Microsoft did not unveil an Xbox console with HD DVD capabilities built-in at CES, and has no plans to do so in the future, according to an executive in Microsoft's entertainment business. "Absolutely not," said Jeff Bell, corporate vice president of global marketing for interactive entertainment at Microsoft, when asked Monday if an HD DVD Xbox was in the works. Microsoft has been pushing HD DVD over Blu-ray as the format for high-definition video, but HD DVD suffered a significant setback last week when Warner Bros. said it would drop support for the format in favor of Blu-ray. Monday during an interview at CES in Las Vegas, Bell said Microsoft is taking a more agnostic view on how to serve up HD video. He said that it's up to consumers to make a choice between the two formats, not vendors. "We'll let the market decide how they're most interested in consuming entertainment," he said.

Giving customers choice of hardware platforms by licensing its software to partners has certainly served well in its enterprise and business segments over the years. With Xbox, Microsoft has had a more direct line to consumers, but the company has still leveraged partnerships, such as new ones it announced Sunday with entertainment companies like MGM and ABC to serve up premium video content to consoles via the Xbox Live service.

Next to Windows and Office, Xbox is poised to be one of Microsoft's most successful consumer products ever, although the product is not yet profitable. Bell confirmed that the Xbox business, as well as the division that oversees it, Entertainment and Devices, would be profitable by the end of its 2008 fiscal year on June 30, a previously stated goal of Microsoft's.

At CES, Microsoft made sure to reveal some recent milestones for its Xbox business. Xbox console attach rates, or numbers that refer to the amount of merchandise sold that's connected to the console, are an especially important metric the company is tracking. According to Microsoft, the company sells about seven games for every console, a number that is higher than both its competitors, Nintendo's Wii console and Sony's Playstation 3 (PS3).

Bell also cited November 2007 figures from market research firm NPD, which claim that for the year, Xbox generated more than US$3.5 billion at retail, $1 billion more than the Wii and $2 billion more than Sony's PS3.

Microsoft's Xbox Live service is certainly a big reason the console is doing so well, and the company is using it as a launch pad for getting video content into the home. This strategy could put Microsoft in competition with set-top box makers that work with service providers to deliver Microsoft's Mediaroom IPTV service into homes.

Bell said Microsoft would rather view its strategy to use both the Xbox Live and Mediaroom as entertainment-delivery platforms as covering all its bases rather than competing with partners, or even each other.

"We're very committed to this concept of choice," he said. We learned from our first generation of Xbox -- if you impose too much content on consumers, it's not a winning strategy."
Source: PC World
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29 Comments on Microsoft Says There Will Be No HD DVD Xbox

#26
Wile E
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Easy Rhinothe capacity has everything to do with it. all of the poor quality blu-ray movies are on 25 gig disks, not the 50 gig ones.
No, it has nothing to do with it at all. You can fit a full quality HD movie up to about 4hrs on a 25GB disk or less using H.264 or VC-1 at our current resolutions. Considering a dual layer HD DVD is 30GB, space has nothing to do with it at all. For instance, Transformers looks spectacular on HD DVD. The movie itself only takes up 17GB, iirc. The extras consume the rest of the space. A single layer Blu Ray is 25GB, still well above the space the movie takes up. Using H.264 or VC-1 makes it totally unnecessary to use the space consuming, ultra-high bitrates required to get full quality out of a codec like Mpeg2.

Crappy looking hd movies on any format are due solely to the studios deciding they don't want to take the more time consuming approach of using the 2 more efficient codecs.

And for the record, almost every Mpeg2 encoded HD movie looks like ass compared to their VC-1/H.264 counterparts. It's just an inefficient codec for these purposes. Even if all the crappy looking blu rays are on 25GB disks, that still puts it at a disadvantage to HD-DVD, as almost all HD DVDs are dual layer, including the crappy ones. That gives it a 5GB space advantage over the blu rays.

Again, I have both formats. If you take a movie that is on both formats and compare them side by side, there is ZERO difference. Thus, at our current resolutions, storage space does not matter at all. Both formats offer more than enough. Now, if we start getting into resolutions greater than 1920x1080, Blu Ray will start to pull ahead, but not until then.
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#27
Easy Rhino
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resolutions larger than 1920x1080 is what im getting at. and the codecs are only going to get better. a single layer hd-dvd looked like garbage last year compared to a blu-ray. this year things are different since hd-dvd upped their capacity, but they are still behind if you consider how codecs are improving and you can get master audio now. im sure a lot of movies out recently look the same, but that was not the case a year ago. they were using the crappy vc 1 codec and now they use mpeg 4 avc.
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#28
Wile E
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Easy Rhinoresolutions larger than 1920x1080 is what im getting at. and the codecs are only going to get better. a single layer hd-dvd looked like garbage last year compared to a blu-ray. this year things are different since hd-dvd upped their capacity, but they are still behind if you consider how codecs are improving and you can get master audio now. im sure a lot of movies out recently look the same, but that was not the case a year ago. they were using the crappy vc 1 codec and now they use mpeg 4 avc.
Actually, VC-1 isn't a bad codec at all. It's somewhere in between H.264 and Mpeg2. VC-1 movies still fit completely on a dual layer HD DVD or single layer Blu Ray. It's the Mpeg2 mastered disks that look like ass.

But as I said, no content is produced at resolutions greater than 1080p, so there is no disadvantage to HD DVD, nor will there be in the foreseeable future. Besides, HD DVD is about to launch triple layer disks, at a 51GB capacity.

Now don't get me wrong, I have and like both formats, but as far as movies are concerned, the storage argument is moot. Now, throw data into the mix, and it's a different story altogether.
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#29
Easy Rhino
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Wile EActually, VC-1 isn't a bad codec at all. It's somewhere in between H.264 and Mpeg2. VC-1 movies still fit completely on a dual layer HD DVD or single layer Blu Ray. It's the Mpeg2 mastered disks that look like ass.

But as I said, no content is produced at resolutions greater than 1080p, so there is no disadvantage to HD DVD, nor will there be in the foreseeable future. Besides, HD DVD is about to launch triple layer disks, at a 51GB capacity.

Now don't get me wrong, I have and like both formats, but as far as movies are concerned, the storage argument is moot. Now, throw data into the mix, and it's a different story altogether.
alright, good to know. and i havnt looked at both formats side by side with the same movie. i guess these days the arguement is moot, but blu-ray must have been using mpeg4 avc before hd-dvd was.
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