Friday, January 18th 2008

New Blu-ray 2.0 Spec Makes PS3 the Most Future-proof Player

With an unexpected announcement from Warner stating that the company would issue its movies on Blu-ray, the high-definition format war is over for many.

A new definition of Blu-ray is coming up, namely "Blu-ray 2.0". The 2.0 profile brings picture-in-picture and online functionality to Blu-ray discs; these movies will have "BD-Live" stickers on the case so you know certain features will require 2.0-compliant players.

Currently, the Playstation 3 is the only Blu-ray 2.0-compatible player available.

Below is a summary of the different requirements for the several Blu-ray standards:
  • 1.0 is the launch profile, and secondary audio and video decoders are optional, as is local storage and network connectivity. The majority of standalone players fit into this category.
  • 1.1 is the newer profile, and to take advantage of these discs, players need a secondary audio and video decoder to handle picture-in-picture, as well as at least 256MB of local storage for content.
  • 2.0 is the profile of the future, requiring the two secondary decoders, 1GB of local storage for updates and content, and an Internet connection.
Source: Arstechnica
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52 Comments on New Blu-ray 2.0 Spec Makes PS3 the Most Future-proof Player

#1
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
thats cool and proves sony is going the im proprietary root *cough* beta max *cough*
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#2
Ravenas
Good to hear, I'm glad the updates keep coming! :toast:
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#3
newtekie1
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by: cdawall
thats cool and proves sony is going the im proprietary root *cough* beta max *cough*
Excpet that old players can still play the movies, just not the extra features that the 2.0 standard brings and Sony didn't implement the new features, they are just part of committy that decided on it as a whole.
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#4
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
by: newtekie1
Excpet that old players can still play the movies, just not the extra features that the 2.0 standard brings and Sony didn't implement the new features, they are just part of committy that decided on it as a whole.
so its not like beta max well thats good to konw thanks newteckie :toast:


i hope this war ends soon so i can pick one up for my mitsu 65" 1080P set :D
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#5
newtekie1
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by: cdawall
i hope this war ends soon so i can pick one up for my mitsu 65" 1080P set :D
I just gave up and bought a PS3. I bought it mostly for the games, I only actually have 1 Blu-Ray movie and it came with the system. However, I will start using it as a Blu-Ray player eventually, and I figure someone is bound to figure out a way to connect a HD-DVD drive to it eventually.

Now that I think about it, it might already be possible via linux, I'll have to do some research on that.
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#6
Snipe343
On the note of the war, I personally think Blue Ray Disk will come out on top, Microsoft just shouldnt have another monopoly on another electronic type thing. And i also think that HDDVD thing is possible with linux, i read it somewere awhile back
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#7
Ravenas
by: cdawall
so its not like beta max well thats good to konw thanks newteckie :toast:


i hope this war ends soon so i can pick one up for my mitsu 65" 1080P set :D
This war is already over, Bluray is the clear winner and all of the publishers are coming out and saying it. Right now, Toshiba is just hurting people by keeping their product on the market. People are going to be pissed when their player goes obsolete just because Toshiba won't stop production because they are in debt. :shadedshu
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#8
Easy Rhino
Linux Advocate
i have the movie "sunshine" and it has the picture in picture function which is pretty freakin cool. blu-ray and PS3 for the win!
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Easy Rhino
Linux Advocate
by: newtekie1
I just gave up and bought a PS3. I bought it mostly for the games, I only actually have 1 Blu-Ray movie and it came with the system. However, I will start using it as a Blu-Ray player eventually, and I figure someone is bound to figure out a way to connect a HD-DVD drive to it eventually.

Now that I think about it, it might already be possible via linux, I'll have to do some research on that.
it is, and you can actually use the specific hd-dvd player that comes with the xbox360 :laugh:

just load up linux on your ps3, load up some drivers and hook up with hd-dvd player via usb to the ps3. there are a few howtos out there for the specifics.
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#10
ShadowFold
Man I just bought a bluray drive its already defective! I HATE sony
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#11
Steevo
MS owns the VC1 coding that BR uses, so they still win.
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#12
Triprift
Great just to make sure bl has the win then thats just super.
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#13
Scrizz
by: ShadowFold
Man I just bought a bluray drive its already defective! I HATE sony
that's the attitude :rockout:
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#14
1c3d0g
by: Steevo
MS owns the VC1 coding that BR uses, so they still win.
Blu-Ray can use any codec, be it regular MPEG-2, VC-1 or MPEG-4 AVC (H.264). Since the latter is most commonly acknowledged to be the best codec available ATM, I'm afraid M$ doesn't really win in that department either. ;)
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#15
Exceededgoku
Really this war has been and is about Microsoft vs Sony... As companies go I much prefer Microsoft and would gladly back HD-DVD. But I have abstained from this battle because ultimately Microsoft wants to get rid of disc formats as well as Sony for their next consoles/home entertainment devices. Really both sides are fighting to see what sort of product customers want. I had some friends who adamantly believed that HD-DVD was just a DVD with better quality (which it is essentially) and believed that Blu-Ray was some sort of new technology that was completely different, yeah it soo didn't make sense that I can't articulate what he said! But to me it voiced the opinions of the average joe consumer to me and that is they don't need complex stuff they are happy with what they have and if it looks better than so be it but apparently Blu-Ray is the future because that's the one with the new name.. :respect:
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#16
Giletus
I think I will wait a bit longer,to make sure Blue-ray is the clear winner.And hopefully for the prices to easy down a bit more.:)
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#17
xxbulletinabiblexx
Dude, I so have a freaking PS3. The older Blu Ray players by Samsung suck a mother. They have no USB port, such as the BD-P1000, my freaking queer paralyzed Uncle has that and I have to burn discs since his little Blu Ray is gayyyy and has no USB.
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#18
Ravenas
Blu-ray owns 75% percent of the market. Blockbuster and Target are blu-ray exclusive. Wal-mart is now advertising Blu-ray. Blu-ray has already won, Toshiba is just hurting the market for those buying now.
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#19
Easy Rhino
Linux Advocate
by: Steevo
MS owns the VC1 coding that BR uses, so they still win.
VC1 is only used in some of the movies that came out on 25 gig disks and it isnt as good as AVC codec so hopefully VC1 will be phased out.
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#20
Dangle
So basically, BluRay 2.0 is no different from HD DVD 1.0
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#21
wiak
the first blu-ray movies was a train whreck, hehe they used crappy master transfers and mpeg2 as codec lol

blu-ray is also more DRM infected than HD DVD
BD got BD+, Region Code and AACS
HD DVD only have AACS

after the specs yes Blu-Ray 2.0 is HD DVD 1.0, sony was late hehe
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#22
Easy Rhino
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by: wiak
the first blu-ray movies was a train whreck, hehe they used crappy master transfers and mpeg2 as codec lol

blu-ray is also more DRM infected than HD DVD
BD got BD+, Region Code and AACS
HD DVD only have AACS

after the specs yes Blu-Ray 2.0 is HD DVD 1.0, sony was late hehe
yea true but that doesnt matter now. sony played their cards right.
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#23
spacejunky
by: Easy Rhino
yea true but that doesnt matter now. sony played their cards right.
You mean Sony paid off everyone. (They offered $500MM to Warner Bros). This sounds a lot like what Intel has been doing with their joint advertising rebates to OEMs that are exclusive to Intel. Well if AMD can't get a lawsuit to stick then I doubt Microsoft and Toshiba can either.

This type of approach does not allow the consumer to decide but rather $ony decides for you. I can't wait to watch Sony jack the prices on the discs and the players so that when you go to rent from Blockbusted or Netflix, you will have to pay an HD fee if you want BR discs.:nutkick:
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#24
KieranD
Its not like Microsoft invented HD DVD it just supports it. Sony actually developed Blu Ray!

I dont really care about HD format Disks really they dont effect me at all, i dont have a hd tv tey dont have games on them, i can buy a new hard drive for storage and it costs a lot.

Its like they are forcing you to buy a PS3 and have Blu Ray.

I mean look at their other products pretty much no one wants them i mean they have quality tvs but at that price you could think about getting a decent projector, they really only have decent mobile phones now and thats because they go for a feature packed low price mobile.

Onto Blu Ray how does it support 2.0? what was it just a system update? Was it always 2.0? I dunno if it has always been 2.0 then why is it news.


Onto Sony PS3 owners get to fuck no one else except you give a fuck about the HD format war, its not like Blu Ray has all the movies as exclusives. Most film companies just want to keep their options open by supporting both because its economical to do that.

IMO neither will really take off and it will be digital downloads that rule the next era, no one really needs that much space for a movie so i guess when disks get bigger they will just be used for storage.


BTW more and more rental stores have been closing down and i think that its because its just better sense to buy the movie and watch it as many times as you like rather than pay half the price of owning the movie.
Theres about 1 rental shop near me and its pfft in the town miles away. No one wants to rent a dvd and half to go to town to take it back, its a fucking trek on the bus mate.

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLU RAY WHAT soon as one format becomes the standerd dvds will be so cheap i will be able to buy 4 for the price of a blu ray or hd dvd, OH by the way theres hardly any Blu Ray in Glasgow so dont give me shit about it being everywhere.
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Easy Rhino
Linux Advocate
by: spacejunky
You mean Sony paid off everyone. (They offered $500MM to Warner Bros). This sounds a lot like what Intel has been doing with their joint advertising rebates to OEMs that are exclusive to Intel. Well if AMD can't get a lawsuit to stick then I doubt Microsoft and Toshiba can either.

This type of approach does not allow the consumer to decide but rather $ony decides for you. I can't wait to watch Sony jack the prices on the discs and the players so that when you go to rent from Blockbusted or Netflix, you will have to pay an HD fee if you want BR discs.:nutkick:
uhm...and hd-dvd didnt offer money to keep them? per the nytimes...

Money was an issue. Toshiba offered to pay Warner Brothers substantial incentives to come down on its side — just as it gave Paramount and DreamWorks Animation a combined $150 million in financial incentives for their business, according to two executives with knowledge of the talks who asked not to be identified.

Kevin Tsujihara, president of the Warner Brothers Home Entertainment Group, declined to comment on whether any payments were offered for support of Blu-ray. “This market is absolutely critical to our future growth,” he said in a telephone interview. “You couldn’t put a number on that.”

that is business, grow up. we dont have to buy blu-ray movies, we dont have to rent blu-ray movies. we can all be happy with our current dvd format. nobody is forcing us to watch HD programming. we can turn the tv off and go ride a bike. yet we dont. sony wins and pays a hefty price for it. that is business and if you dont like it then you dont have to watch blu-ray movies. you gotta pay to play with the big boys. hd-dvd will always be around and will find its own niche which is only natural in a free market. dont worry, the price of blu-ray for consumers wont be beyond anything we consumers will not pay.
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