Saturday, January 26th 2008

HD DVD Believes Format War is Far From Over

Even with the tide apparently shifting in Blu-ray Disc’s favor, the HD DVD camp isn’t about to relent in the on-going high-definition format war. HD DVD still commands a significant portion of exclusive content and the most affordable hardware, giving the format a fighting chance. One part of HD DVD’s new strategy is on lower prices and selling the hardware’s ability to upscale regular DVD movies.Source: DailyTech
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100 Comments on HD DVD Believes Format War is Far From Over

#1
Mussels
Moderprator
i just want whichever one wins to drop in price.

Seriously, both are expensive in aus - and even at kmart i have never seen a HD-DVD movie, only bluray. All the local electrical stores (retravision, harvey norman) have a 'cheap' blu ray player - at only $700.
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#2
Triprift
yeah i must admit until recently id never even seen a hd dvd yet had seen blueray everywhere.
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#3
Mussels
Moderprator
i have a 720p TV, a '1050p' monitor (lol) and just want to watch things that arent downloaded in HD. sigh.
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#4
Triprift
As soon as me 68cm telli dies ill get a truehd plasma get my sises bf who werks for lg to get me a good deal and get me hd topbox while im at it.
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#5
Zubasa
by: Edito
Its a issue i can accept but we must accept SONY bring good inovations, in tvs, consoles etc... if u can't accept that ill assume that ur a SONY HATER or blu-ray HATER...
I don't see much innovations at all in the PS3:roll:
It is mostly a beefed up PS2 If you ask me.
I rather go for the damn Wii for innovations :respect:
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#6
imperialreign
by: Triprift
yeah i must admit until recently id never even seen a hd dvd yet had seen blueray everywhere.
sama here - ayn store you'd go into is breaming with BR titles. Although, considering how Sony is trying to extort the market, it wouldn't surprise me if they have had something to do with cornering the stores, too.

Personally, I can't stand Sony products - innovative . . . no. Worth their price . . . no. In every market that they produce some kind of product for, there is something else already there that offers better quality at a cheaper price.

Plus, I'm tired of hearing that the original PS was innovative - maybe in it's marketing, but it offered nothing that SEGA hadn't already done with the ill-fated and poorly-timed Saturn.

Car audio. Sure the Xplosion line might sound great, but from experience, it will only sound great when partnered with Sony equipment. Pioneer, though, builds their equipment better, offers better quality, and is priced cheaper than Sony's equipment.

Computers - the VAIO might look like a great deal on the shelf, but there's nothing fancy behind it except for the extra $100 SONY logo and gimmicky marketing.

Home entertainment - shelf stereos, there are so many companies that offer better quality than SONY in this market it isn't even funny. Same goes with Plasmas, flat screens and standard TVs.

Sony, my personal message for you: :nutkick:
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#7
Hitsugaya_Toushirou
Well, i'm a neutral for this but the blu-ray discs have a larger capacity of 25GB, which would be useful for longer movies i guess since HD video is rather large about 8.3GiB per hour, which means only about 110min for single layer HD-DVD discs while you could have about 180min for single layer Blu-ray. If you consider this it means HD-DVD will need to use dual layer for their movies, which probably cost more to manufacture since it'll require more material and precision. (Like DVDs: single layer would cost about 50c a disc, while dual layer DVD cost like $5)

Another reason, which could be pushing the companies to use Blu-ray is the Region Protection thing like with DVDs while HD-DVD doesn't support Region Protection so it means copyright can't be enforced well with these discs.

Anyway, as Mussels mentioned (on page 1) there isn't much need of these discs since you can just watch videos on your computer. HD Videos uses the H.264 video compression so you can just watch HD videos in MKV container. Most videos are usually released on the internet in the form of avi, which uses Xvid or DivX video, or mkv, which uses the same codec as HD video; H.264. Current DVD players can play DivX and Xvid videos so if you wanted you can watch these on your tv or if you prefer higher quality at a smaller filesize but don't mind watching it on your computer then get h.264 video in mkv container.


Edit: Also Blu-ray drives for the computer are reasonably cheap... only like $200 AUD, which would probably be less in USD. Also if you must watch your HD Videos on your TV you could just use the TV-out on your graphics card.
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#8
Hitsugaya_Toushirou
by: Mussels
i just want whichever one wins to drop in price.

Seriously, both are expensive in aus - and even at kmart i have never seen a HD-DVD movie, only bluray. All the local electrical stores (retravision, harvey norman) have a 'cheap' blu ray player - at only $700.
I'm not sure where in Australia your in but i'm in AU as well and $700.00 appears to be quite expensive. Anyway, as i mentioned in my previous post, just get a blu-ray drive for your computer for $200 AUD.
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#9
WarEagleAU
Bird of Prey
so that 68CM tube is a 27" TV? ;)
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#10
PrudentPrincess
by: Hitsugaya_Toushirou
I'm not sure where in Australia your in but i'm in AU as well and $700.00 appears to be quite expensive. Anyway, as i mentioned in my previous post, just get a blu-ray drive for your computer for $200 AUD.
Or get a PS3.
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#11
imperialreign
by: Hitsugaya_Toushirou

Edit: Also Blu-ray drives for the computer are reasonably cheap... only like $200 AUD, which would probably be less in USD. Also if you must watch your HD Videos on your TV you could just use the TV-out on your graphics card.
they're about $200 USD online here, too - on average - which means that they're actually a bit cheaper than $200 AUD (based on current conversion rates).

But, if you go to buy one in store, though, they're priced higher (based on our regional prices): BestBuy $299; Circuit City $550+ (burner capable)
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#12
mrw1986
85% of the people in this discussion are all fanboys against sony. Its quite hilarious.
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#13
JacKz5o
by: spacejunky
You make it sound like the consumer actually chose BR over HD-DVD. Have you not been paying attention or are you just trying to make yourself feel better about your $500 BR player that can also play crappy games? If you had been paying attention, you would know that the consumer is not the reason BR has 83% production but rather because Sony is paying off the Movie Producers to go exclusive BR.

yeah that is great for consumers because if and when the war ever ends, Sony wouldn't be interested in recouping the 1 Billion or so they have paid to the producers by jacking the prices on players and licensing fees would they?:banghead:
Yes, while Sony did pay Fox to stay Blu-ray and Warner to become Blu-ray exclusive, Toshiba did the same thing with Universal and other studios as well.
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#14
Snipe343
by: Water Drop
I will never buy Blu-Ray, because I feel that Sony is the most evil company on the face of the planet.
:rockout:Pioneer 1080p upscaling DVD player:rockout:
and microsoft is not?, and blue-ray disk is also the winner, just because it is the better format
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#15
Ravenas
The title of this thread should be:

"HD-DVD is prolonging the format war so they don't lose insane amounts of money!"

Cheers to anyone who buys a HD-DVD player now, it's going to be quite useless in a not so far away time.
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#16
Easy Rhino
Linux Advocate
hd-dvds will be around for awhile and will find their own niche in the tech world. however, for movies blu-ray will be the format of choice for movie studios based on how well sony was able to push the ps3 and how well sony was able to wheel and deal with movie studio executives. it is called business. dont hate sony because they are better business people than toshiba. and the consumer is not screwed. you young guys crack me up. i remember when buying a vhs cost a lot of money. dvds were the same way. the price will drop.
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PrudentPrincess
by: Easy Rhino
hd-dvds will be around for awhile and will find their own niche in the tech world. however, for movies blu-ray will be the format of choice for movie studios based on how well sony was able to push the ps3 and how well sony was able to wheel and deal with movie studio executives. it is called business. dont hate sony because they are better business people than toshiba. and the consumer is not screwed. you young guys crack me up. i remember when buying a vhs cost a lot of money. dvds were the same way. the price will drop.
Yeah I remember throwing out all my 8-tracks and laser disks too. F**** :banghead:
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#18
Dangle
HD DVD FTW!!!! They need to drastically reduce the prices - for everyone. If the format becomes a standard, they will make up all of their money over time. We need 50-100 dollar players, and $15 discs. Anyway, optical discs are lame technology. This is 2008 for crying out loud. According to back to the future 2, we're supposed to have awesome tech like flying cars and hoverboards by 2015. Blu-ray discs are simply smaller laser discs. STOWPID!

Download/on-demand HD FTW!
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#19
Easy Rhino
Linux Advocate
by: Dangle
HD DVD FTW!!!! They need to drastically reduce the prices - for everyone. If the format becomes a standard, they will make up all of their money over time. We need 50-100 dollar players, and $15 discs. Anyway, optical discs are lame technology. This is 2008 for crying out loud. According to back to the future 2, we're supposed to have awesome tech like flying cars and hoverboards by 2015. Blu-ray discs are simply smaller laser discs. STOWPID!

Download/on-demand HD FTW!
if they could drastically reduce prices they would. obviously they cant. and i have on demand HD and it blows because my cable provider (comcast) compresses the living crap out of the signal.
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#21
Triprift
by: WarEagleAU
so that 68CM tube is a 27" TV? ;)
Yeah that would be about right love the metric system :D
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#22
Water Drop
by: Snipe343
and microsoft is not?, and blue-ray disk is also the winner, just because it is the better format
Blu-Ray disk might be the winner, but it's not the better format. It's plagued by too much DRM, ever changing standardized specifications, and the video quality is not quite up to par with HD-DVD. HD-DVD is the superior format, and it's sad to see that it's failing. The greedy MPAA and the movie studios are backing Blu-Ray because it has more consumer-screwing DRM then HD-DVD. And as we know the MPAA loves to screw us. Also Sony is a major player in both the MPAA and RIAA, making them without a doubt, the most evil corporation.

On a side note: I never thought I'd see "Sony" and "innovation" in the same sentence, but I have been proven wrong by this thread. Seriously what did Sony ever do that was innovative? The Six-Axis Controller that copied the Microsoft Sidewinder Freestyle Pro gamepad that was released in 1999?
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#23
Ravenas
by: Water Drop
Blu-Ray disk might be the winner, but it's not the better format. It's plagued by too much DRM, ever changing standardized specifications, and the video quality is not quite up to par with HD-DVD. HD-DVD is the superior format, and it's sad to see that it's failing. The greedy MPAA and the movie studios are backing Blu-Ray because it has more consumer-screwing DRM then HD-DVD. And as we know the MPAA loves to screw us. Also Sony is a major player in both the MPAA and RIAA, making them without a doubt, the most evil corporation.

On a side note: I never thought I'd see "Sony" and "innovation" in the same sentence, but I have been proven wrong by this thread. Seriously what did Sony ever do that was innovative? The Six-Axis Controller that copied the Microsoft Sidewinder Freestyle Pro gamepad that was released in 1999?
Lol for someone to say, "what did Sony do that was innovative?", is quite ignorant in itself. Sony is a HUGE corporation with seeds in almost every field of technology. How could you say they haven't done anything innovative? Seems to me that in your mind you are just creating reasons to dislike Sony...

Also, the Blu-ray is more future proof than HD-DVD. 25gb > 15gb anyday.
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#24
Triprift
Amen Ravenas i menchined a few innovative Sony products in previous posts but if ppl want to support a format which will be gone all together by the end of the year let em and weel be enjoyin the latest releases in blueray goodnesss.
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#25
Water Drop
by: Ravenas
Lol for someone to say what did Sony did that was innovative is quite ignorant in itself. Sony is a HUGE corporation with seeds in almost every field of technology. How could you say they haven't done anything innovative? Seems to me that in your mind you are just creating reasons to dislike Sony...

Also, the Blu-ray is more future proof than HD-DVD. 25gb > 15gb anyday.
Name one thing that Sony did that was innovative.

The movie studios are not gonna put more than one movie on a disc anyway, so 15GB is more then enough. And HD-DVD also has a 30GB dual layer and a 51GB Triple-layer disc. They will not put more than one movie on a disc because they want to sell you them separately at ridiculously high prices and rip you off. And even when they do put more than one movie on a disc, it will be for possibly a Trilogy of some sort or a TV series. In that case they'll probably still charge you like your buying a bunch of discs and put it in a big box, but they'll be just one disc inside.
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