Saturday, January 26th 2008

HD DVD Believes Format War is Far From Over

Even with the tide apparently shifting in Blu-ray Disc’s favor, the HD DVD camp isn’t about to relent in the on-going high-definition format war. HD DVD still commands a significant portion of exclusive content and the most affordable hardware, giving the format a fighting chance. One part of HD DVD’s new strategy is on lower prices and selling the hardware’s ability to upscale regular DVD movies.Source: DailyTech
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100 Comments on HD DVD Believes Format War is Far From Over

#1
Laurijan
I read that the porn industy decided on using exclusivly HD-DVD
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#2
Ravenas
by: Laurijan
I read that the porn industy decided on using exclusivly HD-DVD
I read it was Blu-ray, and yet the porn industry hasn't decided on either yet.
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Ravenas
by: Mussels
I hate sony because of crap they have done in the past. Very dodgy marketing of their consoles (i've seen ads claiming they had better graphics, citing final fantasy games. every ad/movie was of a pre-rendered CUTSCENE and they always compared to real time rendered game footage for the comparisons)

Sony also had the rootkit virus on their music CD's.

Its not that i wont buy blu-ray - but i wont buy SONY. You just cant buy BR in australia without getting sony, and its insanely overpriced.
LOL? Just so I'm getting this straight, you hate Sony because they say they have better graphics? Lol...
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imperialreign
by: Ravenas
LOL? Just so I'm getting this straight, you hate Sony because they say they have better graphics? Lol...
Sony is abundant in "perspective" marketing - just like they claim that their car audio equiment is built the best in the industry and offers the best sound when compared to their competitors - which isn't the case as (for example) they don't have a 5-way 6"x9" speaker offering yet, and their build materials still fall behind leading technologies.

I wouldn't have as much of a problem with Blu-Ray if it wasn't for the fact that SONY is the biggest backer of the technology, and started it on it's feet years ago, and they've been the biggest factor in all the Blu-Ray under-dealings we keep hearing about.

Take SONY out of the equation, and I'll give Blu-Ray another chance . . . but, it is partially their technology in the first place . . .
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Ravenas
by: imperialreign
Sony is abundant in "perspective" marketing - just like they claim that their car audio equiment is built the best in the industry and offers the best sound when compared to their competitors - which isn't the case as (for example) they don't have a 5-way 6"x9" speaker offering yet, and their build materials still fall behind leading technologies.

I wouldn't have as much of a problem with Blu-Ray if it wasn't for the fact that SONY is the biggest backer of the technology, and started it on it's feet years ago, and they've been the biggest factor in all the Blu-Ray under-dealings we keep hearing about.

Take SONY out of the equation, and I'll give Blu-Ray another chance . . . but, it is partially their technology in the first place . . .
Lol isn't it every company's objective to tell the consumer their product is the best. Lol, people dislike Sony for no reason, for reasons that don't even effect them.

I would bet money that you could come up with 30 reasons to dislike Sony if you really put your mind to it (and I bet all of them could be reasons that have nothing to do with a Sony product you've owned). After you come up with that comprehensive list I can give you 30 reasons why I'm enjoying my Sony products. :rockout: I'm not a Sony extreme fanboy or anything. I'm just a person with the opinion that I've never had a bad or faulty Sony product. I mean hell, my PS1 still works the same as the day I bought it!
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Mussels
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by: Ravenas
LOL? Just so I'm getting this straight, you hate Sony because they say they have better graphics? Lol...
My counter argument at the time was: and if i throw a copy of the matrix (movie) into an xbox, what awesome graphics it has too!

My hatred stems from dodgy advertising - pre-rendered footage doesnt count. it was a cutscene for gods sake.

It'd be like Nvidia releasing a game they say has the best graphics ever, and it was a choose your own adventure with DVD footage (oh and it cant run on ATI, because ATI 'arent good enough')
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Ravenas
by: Mussels
My counter argument at the time was: and if i throw a copy of the matrix (movie) into an xbox, what awesome graphics it has too!

My hatred stems from dodgy advertising - pre-rendered footage doesnt count. it was a cutscene for gods sake.

It'd be like Nvidia releasing a game they say has the best graphics ever, and it was a choose your own adventure with DVD footage (oh and it cant run on ATI, because ATI 'arent good enough')
Ever heard the phrase: "Nvidia. The way it's meant to be played." You have to understand that it is every company's objective to make consumers believe that they have the best product.
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Mussels
Moderprator
by: Ravenas
Ever heard the phrase: "Nvidia. The way it's meant to be played." You have to understand that it is every company's objective to make consumers believe that they have the best product.
you're missing the point entirely. Its not about advertising in general - its FALSE, misleading advertising.

I dont care WHO says it, but if they start saying they have the best graphics because of some pre-rendered footage - thats bullshit, and i wont support that company.
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Ravenas
by: Mussels
you're missing the point entirely. Its not about advertising in general - its FALSE, misleading advertising.

I dont care WHO says it, but if they start saying they have the best graphics because of some pre-rendered footage - thats bullshit, and i wont support that company.
No, it's your opinion that it is false.
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Mussels
Moderprator
by: Ravenas
No, it's your opinion that it is false.
unfortunately you cant say that. there is no argument to what youre saying, and that is a personal attack.

Thats really childish and proves you are a fanboy - why the hell should i buy from a company just because YOU like them?
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#12
Ravenas
by: Mussels
unfortunately you cant say that. there is no argument to what youre saying, and that is a personal attack.

Thats really childish and proves you are a fanboy - why the hell should i buy from a company just because YOU like them?
Of course there is an argument, you said the PS3 doesn't have the best graphics but neither one of us can prove that. That's why I said, no that's your opinion. I never said either company had the best graphics, I said each company wants their consumers to believe they have the best product.

Wether you do or not, IS YOUR OPINION...
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#13
Mussels
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by: Ravenas
Of course there is an argument, you said the PS3 doesn't have the best graphics but neither one of us can prove that. That's why I said, no that's your opinion. I never said either company had the best graphics, I said each company wants their consumers to believe they have the best product.

Wether you do or not, IS YOUR OPINION...
i never mentioned the PS3. i was talking about the PS2. "your opinion is wrong" to quote you.
i never mentioned 'whats the best product' -- i'm talking about borderline illegal advertising.

Anyone who bought a PS2 because of the ads i saw (cutscenes from the final fantasy series) expecting that level of graphics was wildly dissapointed - none of the REAL TIME graphics was anything near that.

they havent done this with the PS3, but i dont forgive people for lying and then pretending it never happened.
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Ravenas
by: Mussels
i never mentioned the PS3. i was talking about the PS2. "your opinion is wrong" to quote you.
i never mentioned 'whats the best product' -- i'm talking about borderline illegal advertising.

Anyone who bought a PS2 because of the ads i saw (cutscenes from the final fantasy series) expecting that level of graphics was wildly dissapointed - none of the REAL TIME graphics was anything near that.

they havent done this with the PS3, but i dont forgive people for lying and then pretending it never happened.
Lol your opinion is false because you flat out said that the PS3 doesn't have the best graphics. You don't know that. Neither do I. My opinion about the PS3 is that it has better games, but that's preference. And you can't say I'm wrong there. But graphically and benchmark wise, neither of us have any idea.
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Mussels
Moderprator
by: Ravenas
Lol your opinion is false because you flat out said that the PS3 doesn't have the best graphics. You don't know that. Neither do I. My opinion about the PS3 is that it has better games, but that's preference. And you can't say I'm wrong there. But graphically and benchmark wise, neither of us have any idea.
i NEVER MENTIONED THE PS3.
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Ravenas
by: Mussels
i NEVER MENTIONED THE PS3.
Lol, no kidding, you never mentioned any. You said Sony's advertising of their consoles. :laugh:

After you said Sony doesn't have the best graphics, in you next post you said you were talking about the PS2. Did you assume I knew which of the 3 consoles you were talking about?

My previous posts also apply to the PS2. So it really doesn't matter. It's so funny though, you've gone from anti blu-ray to anti sony advertising to anti sony consoles. What's the next thing? The sony walkman? Did the sony walkman have false advertising too?
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Wile E
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by: Mussels
i never mentioned the PS3. i was talking about the PS2. "your opinion is wrong" to quote you.
i never mentioned 'whats the best product' -- i'm talking about borderline illegal advertising.

Anyone who bought a PS2 because of the ads i saw (cutscenes from the final fantasy series) expecting that level of graphics was wildly dissapointed - none of the REAL TIME graphics was anything near that.

they havent done this with the PS3, but i dont forgive people for lying and then pretending it never happened.
No offense Mussels, but then you shouldn't be buying any product from any company what so ever. Every single company on the face of the planet is guilty of this kind of false advertising in some way, shape or form. It's unreasonable to solely target one manufacturer for this.
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#18
PrudentPrincess
Holy crap you would think that people with over 1000 posts would know when to stop a flame war.
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#19
Ravenas
by: PrudentPrincess
Holy crap you would think that people with over 1000 posts would know when to stop a flame war.
:roll::roll::roll::roll:
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Wile E
Power User
by: PrudentPrincess
Holy crap you would think that people with over 1000 posts would know when to stop a flame war.
That wasn't directed at me, was it? I wasn't trying to flame anyone.
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Ravenas
by: Wile E
That wasn't directed at me, was it? I wasn't trying to flame anyone.
I'm sure it wasn't you, lol... You just kinda stepped into that conversation. :laugh:
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#23
flashstar
Ok, let me just step in here for a sec...


HD-DVD owns

Blu-ray sucks

there :nutkick:
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#24
imperialreign
by: Ravenas
Lol isn't it every company's objective to tell the consumer their product is the best. Lol, people dislike Sony for no reason, for reasons that don't even effect them.

I would bet money that you could come up with 30 reasons to dislike Sony if you really put your mind to it (and I bet all of them could be reasons that have nothing to do with a Sony product you've owned). After you come up with that comprehensive list I can give you 30 reasons why I'm enjoying my Sony products. :rockout: I'm not a Sony extreme fanboy or anything. I'm just a person with the opinion that I've never had a bad or faulty Sony product. I mean hell, my PS1 still works the same as the day I bought it!
Well, I have owned some SONY products over the years, usually along the lines of willing to test things out, giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Still falling back onto car audio, as this is one market of theirs I've had more experience with their products - their equipment is designed to work specifically with their components. Although, they never advertise this on their packaging of either their speakers, amplifiers or head units, the hardware specifications and output ratings are designed such that you will have very poor audio quality should you mix their components with another brand.

For example - installing a powerful Pioneer head unit couple with 4 Xplod speakers (pick any size that the head unit can drive), the sound playback will be flat, or won't have enough low-end. Comparatively, if you took the same speaker sizes, from any other brand, it'll be a night and day difference - also taking into account that Pioneer designs for their components, also, but the keep the technical aspects to more of an industry 'standard'. A SONY head unit will sound like a waste of $300, unless coupled with SONY speakers.

Plus, poor build quality, way over priced, poor warranties, lower quality materials when compared to competition. You're spending more for the SONY logo so one can be SONY loyal than you are for actual product.

Case in point, let's look at two similar speaker offeringsfrom both Pioneer and SONY:

Pioneer Premier TS-A932 (3-way 6"x9"):
Woofer Cone Material: Composite IMPP (Injection Molded Polypropylene) cone with interlaced Aramid Fiber
Surround: Foamed rubber coated cloth
Mid-Range: 1-13/16" Light Weight Balanced Dome with Magnetic Fluid
Tweeter: 11/16" Silver PET Film Dome
Watts MAX. Music Power: 300 Watts
Watts Nominal Power Handling: 40 Watts
Frequency Response: 28Hz ~ 33kHz
Sensitivity (1W/1m): 93dB
Ohm Rating: 4 ohm

Average price: $67


Sony Xplode XS-GT6935 (3-way 6"x9"):
Woofer cone material: HOP (Highly Oriented Polyolefine)
Surround: cloth
Midrange: 2-3/8" HDLD (High Density Layared Diaphragm) cone
Tweeter: 7/16" HDLD (High Density Layered Diaphragm) dome
Watts MAX. Music Power : 300 Watts
Watts Nominal Power Handling : 60 Watts
Sensitivity (1W/1m) : 90dB
Frequency response 35Hz ~ 25kHz
Ohm Rating : 4

Average price: $80


The Pioneer unit is made of better materials, has a better response range and offer better sound production at a lower cost.

I'm sorry, but in this instance, if you're an informed consumer, I'd have to say that there's no point in purchasing the SONY product unless you're willing to accept some sacrifices for the brand.
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Ravenas
by: imperialreign
Well, I have owned some SONY products over the years, usually along the lines of willing to test things out, giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Still falling back onto car audio, as this is one market of theirs I've had more experience with their products - their equipment is designed to work specifically with their components. Although, they never advertise this on their packaging of either their speakers, amplifiers or head units, the hardware specifications and output ratings are designed such that you will have very poor audio quality should you mix their components with another brand.

For example - installing a powerful Pioneer head unit couple with 4 Xplod speakers (pick any size that the head unit can drive), the sound playback will be flat, or won't have enough low-end. Comparatively, if you took the same speaker sizes, from any other brand, it'll be a night and day difference - also taking into account that Pioneer designs for their components, also, but the keep the technical aspects to more of an industry 'standard'. A SONY head unit will sound like a waste of $300, unless coupled with SONY speakers.

Plus, poor build quality, way over priced, poor warranties, lower quality materials when compared to competition. You're spending more for the SONY logo so one can be SONY loyal than you are for actual product.

Case in point, let's look at two similar speaker offeringsfrom both Pioneer and SONY:

Pioneer Premier TS-A932 (3-way 6"x9"):
Woofer Cone Material: Composite IMPP (Injection Molded Polypropylene) cone with interlaced Aramid Fiber
Surround: Foamed rubber coated cloth
Mid-Range: 1-13/16" Light Weight Balanced Dome with Magnetic Fluid
Tweeter: 11/16" Silver PET Film Dome
Watts MAX. Music Power: 300 Watts
Watts Nominal Power Handling: 40 Watts
Frequency Response: 28Hz ~ 33kHz
Sensitivity (1W/1m): 93dB
Ohm Rating: 4 ohm

Average price: $67


Sony Xplode XS-GT6935 (3-way 6"x9"):
Woofer cone material: HOP (Highly Oriented Polyolefine)
Surround: cloth
Midrange: 2-3/8" HDLD (High Density Layared Diaphragm) cone
Tweeter: 7/16" HDLD (High Density Layered Diaphragm) dome
Watts MAX. Music Power : 300 Watts
Watts Nominal Power Handling : 60 Watts
Sensitivity (1W/1m) : 90dB
Frequency response 35Hz ~ 25kHz
Ohm Rating : 4

Average price: $80


The Pioneer unit is made of better materials, has a better response range and offer better sound production at a lower cost.

I'm sorry, but in this instance, if you're an informed consumer, I'd have to say that there's no point in purchasing the SONY product unless you're willing to accept some sacrifices for the brand.
TBH, I have to agree with the audio division of Sony. They really need to work on their iPod adapter. Only bad Sony product I've owned.
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