barely anyone uses vista.

I like how in the fourth shot it says "Operations 0:18.59" and for Time they have 24320. :laugh:

by: Corrosion;659490

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barely anyone uses vista.

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Ignorance FTW :rolleyes: :D

im not being ignorant. im saying that from what ive seen not many people use vista that also benchmark.

Lol @ the text on the submit page (last shot).

"You have successfully finished the benchmark. Now you can blaa blaa blaa yadayadayada."

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"Add legal mambo jumbo here more yadayada blah blah."

etc :p.

by: Corrosion;659490

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barely anyone uses vista.

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and what makes you say that check out the ORB have a sensis.

And for you info I bench in VISTA and I dont really see that much diffrence.:respect:VISTA

by: Corrosion;659502

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i'm not being ignorant. im saying that from what i've seen not many people use vista that also benchmark.

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That's the ignorance, shouldn't base it solely on what you've seen because you can't have seen everything :)

just use server 08 to run it

Does someone know if Vantage benchmarks the CPU as 3DMark06 do?

by: warhammer;659529

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and what makes you say that check out the ORB have a sensis.

And for you info I bench in VISTA and I dont really see that much diffrence.:respect:VISTA

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Vista 32Bit perform about 400pt slower then XP 32Bit (well know fact) and XP 64Bit performs about 250pt slower then XP 32Bit..

by: Laurijan;659555

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Vista 32Bit perform about 400pt slower then XP 32Bit (well know fact) and XP 64Bit performs about 250pt slower then XP 32Bit..

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At least people won't be able to say that once Vantage comes out ;P, also when people are getting scores of 14,000 on 3D Mark 06 (which happens to be my favorite game of all time, oh wait :rolleyes:) 400 less points is a 2% difference, otherwise known as unnoticeable (or margin of error). A lot of people who complain about vista either haven't used it, or don't really get why they're complaining (non stop complaints about vista's memory use come to mind :rolleyes:)

by: kylew;659568

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At least people won't be able to say that once Vantage comes out ;P, also when people are getting scores of 14,000 on 3D Mark 06 (which happens to be my favorite game of all time, oh wait :rolleyes:) 400 less points is a 2% difference, otherwise known as unnoticeable (or margin of error). A lot of people who complain about vista either haven't used it, or don't really get why they're complaining (non stop complaints about vista's memory use come to mind :rolleyes:)

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Strange is that this "Margin of error" is always making 3DMark06 perform slower in Vista then in XP.

Read thread: Which OS for 3DMark06 http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=52386&highlight=3dmark06

Erocker a guy helping to run Alcpones offical 3DMark06 thread posted there:
Um.. it's a known FACT that there is a point hit with Vista.

by: Laurijan;659571

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Strange is that this "Margin of error" is always making 3DMark06 perform slower in Vista then in XP.

Read thread: Which OS for 3DMark06 http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=52386&highlight=3dmark06

Erocker a guy helping to run Alcpones offical 3DMark06 thread posted there:
Um.. it's a known FACT that there is a point hit with Vista.

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I'm not saying it is a margin of error causing it, I'm saying the difference so low that it's the equivalent of what the margin of error would be. It's something that I'm definitely not concerned about my self. It's definitely not such a large difference to make my games unplayable. I'm on vista 64 bit, and my 2900 copes with most things pretty well (although I am moving over to crossfire 3850 512MBs at the end of the month :D)

by: kylew;659584

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I'm not saying it is a margin of error causing it, I'm saying the difference so low that it's the equivalent of what the margin of error would be. It's something that I'm definitely not concerned about my self. It's definitely not such a large difference to make my games unplayable. I'm on vista 64 bit, and my 2900 copes with most things pretty well (although I am moving over to crossfire 3850 512MBs at the end of the month :D)

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Ok understood you wrong.. btw 400pt can help very much in the official 3DMark06 thread to get into a better position..

by: Laurijan;659586

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Ok understood you wrong.. btw 400pt can help very much in the official 3DMark06 thread to get into a better position..

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Of course it can, not disputing that, I'm just saying that for most people 400 points will be nothing, those people with LN2 cooled graphics cards and CPUs will be most bothered, but they're "inhuman" :D

people that buy new "hardware" do it to get extra performance.. people that buy new Microsoft operating systems do it to get less performance.. :laugh:

i known in real life 400 points is nothing.. but there is a whole bunch of "enthusiasts" out there trying their level best to get em.. he he

which of course is why this vista xp argument will roll on for quite some time..

trog

Say, I use Vista all the time, on my work laptop, HTPC and gaming machine. I guess I would call it personal preference. But for those who have a personal problem with others using Vista...... I guess it is a personal problem.

Joe

by: Pinchy;659509

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Lol @ the text on the submit page (last shot).

"You have successfully finished the benchmark. Now you can blaa blaa blaa yadayadayada."

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"Add legal mambo jumbo here more yadayada blah blah."

etc :p.

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lol i know :roll: :wtf:

Tbh,i'm sick of all the posts saying vista is shit etc etc.

If you dont like vista,fair enuff.Just keep your traps shut about it,instead of injecting random vista is shit comments into threads that mention vista.

As for this,4k with a gtx.I dont think i'll bother trying it anyway.

I got about 300 points less in Vista x64 than in XP x86 on a score of ~11000 3DMark06. SM3.0 gets the biggest hit. Processor score is the same SM2.0 a little bit slower.

Didn't know Vantage was so closo : o I need to get my GPU back from RMA :/

come on guys.... this is the thread about the new 3DMark, not the merits of Vista or XP.

{back on topic}

I dont think much of those screenies. You think they could of leaked some better ones. :wtf:

I'm hoping the this new 3DMark is less CPU dependant - most Core2Duo owners beat my '06 score but I beat them in actual game FPS. (Opty 165 @3.0Ghz)

I would like to see what score an Xbox or PS3 would be able to attain, perhaps if enough people suggested it Futuremark may oblige and make a port for the consoles.

by: jocksteeluk;659693

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I would like to see what score an Xbox or PS3 would be able to attain, perhaps if enough people suggested it Futuremark may oblige and make a port for the consoles.

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better they make a "port" for XP.. :)

trog ;)

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Tbh,i'm sick of all the posts saying vista is shit etc etc.

If you dont like vista,fair enuff.Just keep your traps shut about it,instead of injecting random vista is shit comments into threads that mention vista.

As for this,4k with a gtx.I dont think i'll bother trying it anyway.

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Buyer's remorse, eh? Don't worry, you aren't alone. There, that make you feel better? I know how many people like to feel like they are part of the group, and if Microsoft released an operating system tomorrow that required users to sacrifice chickens and other farm animals on a daily basis for it to function properly... well there would be a segment of the population that would jump on it, just to have the latest OS bragging rights.

Back to Vista, IT IS well known there is a "Vista-penalty", both when running various 3D benchmarks or just playing around with regular games. Not a specific amount of points mind you, but in 3DMark 2006 the penalty is up to 10%, in 3DMark 2003 it’s up to 15% or more, depending on the GPU of course, and in 3DMark 2001 it can be over 50%. Various OpenGL benchmarks are not exempt.

by: AddSub;659868

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Buyer's remorse, eh? Don't worry, you aren't alone. There, that make you feel better? I know how many people like to feel like they are part of the group, and if Microsoft released an operating system tomorrow that required users to sacrifice chickens and other farm animals on a daily basis for it to function properly... well there would be a segment of the population that would jump on it, just to have the latest OS bragging rights.

Back to Vista, IT IS well known there is a "Vista-penalty", both when running various 3D benchmarks or just playing around with regular games. Not a specific amount of points mind you, but in 3DMark 2006 the penalty is up to 10%, in 3DMark 2003 it’s up to 15% or more, depending on the GPU of course, and in 3DMark 2001 it can be over 50%. Various OpenGL benchmarks are not exempt.

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AddSub, did you take the time to test this yourself with the latest drivers? Or are you just going off what others have said? After all, on my machine, 3dMark03, 05 and 06 all run faster under Vista than XP. (Not by much but I have no performance loss whatsoever.)

Joe

Ugh. Your question has been asked before, many times. Yes, I used ancient drivers, old drivers, new-ish drivers, latest drivers, I tried it all. Originally, I did the tests in August 07, then again early December 07, and most recently in early January this year. And yes, I used several machines with various hardware configurations and yes, I got relatively similar results out of all of em.

You know, apparently I need to post this on a weekly basis or something:

My previous posts relating to Vista & benchmarking:

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?p=632616&highlight=78%25#post632616

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?p=646317&highlight=vista+january#post646317

by: ManofGod;659922

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AddSub, did you take the time to test this yourself with the latest drivers? Or are you just going off what others have said? After all, on my machine, 3dMark03, 05 and 06 all run faster under Vista than XP. (Not by much but I have no performance loss whatsoever.)

Joe

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as time passes vista will "appear" to get better relative to XP.. but this isnt because vista is better.. simply because XP drivers will get neglected and future optimizations will be purely for vista..

bloat never makes things perform better even thow microsoft would have us believe so..

The World did not need vista.. only Microsoft needed vista..

trog

ps.. that last line would make a good sig... he he he

by: trog100;659943

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as time passes vista will "appear" to get better relative to XP.. but this isnt because vista is better.. simply because XP drivers will get neglected and future optimizations will be purely for vista..

bloat never makes things perform better even thow microsoft would have us believe so..

The World did not need vista.. only Microsoft needed vista..

trog

ps.. that last line would make a good sig... he he he

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Either that, or the XP optimizations have already been found and there is pretty much no more of them. In fact, I just picked up a copy of Vista HP for my HTPC and it runs quite well so far.

Joe

by: AddSub;659930

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Ugh. Your question has been asked before, many times. Yes, I used ancient drivers, old drivers, new-ish drivers, latest drivers, I tried it all. Originally, I did the tests in August 07, then again early December 07, and most recently in early January this year. And yes, I used several machines with various hardware configurations and yes, I got relatively similar results out of all of em.

You know, apparently I need to post this on a weekly basis or something:

My previous posts relating to Vista & benchmarking:

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?p=632616&highlight=78%25#post632616

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?p=646317&highlight=vista+january#post646317

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Sorry about that addsub, I have not seen it posted before.

Joe

Well, most people still use XP. Yes, this program is for Vista, but everyone who uses a Microsoft O/S will be using Vista eventually. It's the way it is, it's not up to you, get over it. I will use XP as long as it's still supported. We should all thank Microsoft that they actually do still support thier old O/S. In order for things to progress we need to move on. Complaining how Vista sucks will do absolutely nothing. If you have gripes with a product, take it up with the manufacturer I say. They are in the business of selling products to customers, why would Microsoft want produce an O/S that people don't want? The easy answer is, they wouldn't. Besides Linux, and a few other off the wall O/S's, Microsoft is the only game in town. So, as a consumer you have a wonderful choice right now of choosing between two different mainstream O/S's from Microsoft. It takes time for an O/S to mature, just as it took XP time to mature. Besides, I don't hear from anyone using Windows 98 anymore and saying how bloated and slow XP is anymore. You don't know it now mabye, but someday Vista will be yours! It will all be okay people.:toast:

by: erocker;659998

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Well, most people still use XP. Yes, this program is for Vista, but everyone who uses a Microsoft O/S will be using Vista eventually. It's the way it is, it's not up to you, get over it. I will use XP as long as it's still supported. We should all thank Microsoft that they actually do still support thier old O/S. In order for things to progress we need to move on. Complaining how Vista sucks will do absolutely nothing. If you have gripes with a product, take it up with the manufacturer I say. They are in the business of selling products to customers, why would Microsoft want produce an O/S that people don't want? The easy answer is, they wouldn't. Besides Linux, and a few other off the wall O/S's, Microsoft is the only game in town. So, as a consumer you have a wonderful choice right now of choosing between two different mainstream O/S's from Microsoft. It takes time for an O/S to mature, just as it took XP time to mature. Besides, I don't hear from anyone using Windows 98 anymore and saying how bloated and slow XP is anymore. You don't know it now mabye, but someday Vista will be yours! It will all be okay people.:toast:

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+1

And if MS does stay on track with their target release date for WIN 11 (2009+), we might even see 3 supported OSes at once, albeit for a very short while as XP is slowly phased out of support. Personally, I'm hoping that the successor to Vista will take care of some complaints many people have, and if so, then I'll skip Vista all together - but we'll see how things go, first. I haven't been impressed with it enough to make the switch yet.

But, if we're looking at 3DMark Vantage from the point of it being the 'defacto' standard for benchmarks once it's released, which it will as 3m06 will become last generation, the top score competitors will have no choice but to upgrade to Vista, as anything in 3m06 will not be considered officially 'best score' by the uber 1337.

by: tigger69;659653

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Tbh,i'm sick of all the posts saying vista is shit etc etc.

If you dont like vista,fair enuff.Just keep your traps shut about it,instead of injecting random vista is shit comments into threads that mention vista.

As for this,4k with a gtx.I dont think i'll bother trying it anyway.

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I like vista i have 64, and 32. but i got new hardware and it wasnt running correwctly on it. so i went to 32 bit. and i went up 2k in 3dmark06 because of it

Ouch... 4k for a 8800 GTX? Yeah, I'd score barely 2k with my system in Vista, if even that. :shadedshu

by: erocker;659998

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Well, most people still use XP. Yes, this program is for Vista, but everyone who uses a Microsoft O/S will be using Vista eventually.

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Actually, if this article is correct then we might not have to, after all.

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:respect: VISTA

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Why on earth would anyone worship an operating system?

The screenshots does not look very impressive :wtf:

by: Graogrim;661428

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Actually, if this article is correct then we might not have to, after all.


Why on earth would anyone worship an operating system?

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Let's hope I guess...

os 7 looks kinda like vista to me:confused:

by: erocker;659998

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Well, most people still use XP. Yes, this program is for Vista, but everyone who uses a Microsoft O/S will be using Vista eventually. It's the way it is, it's not up to you, get over it. I will use XP as long as it's still supported. We should all thank Microsoft that they actually do still support thier old O/S. In order for things to progress we need to move on. Complaining how Vista sucks will do absolutely nothing. If you have gripes with a product, take it up with the manufacturer I say. They are in the business of selling products to customers, why would Microsoft want produce an O/S that people don't want? The easy answer is, they wouldn't. Besides Linux, and a few other off the wall O/S's, Microsoft is the only game in town. So, as a consumer you have a wonderful choice right now of choosing between two different mainstream O/S's from Microsoft. It takes time for an O/S to mature, just as it took XP time to mature. Besides, I don't hear from anyone using Windows 98 anymore and saying how bloated and slow XP is anymore. You don't know it now mabye, but someday Vista will be yours! It will all be okay people.:toast:

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fixed ur comments abit and i and most of my friends where on 2k when xp came out because 9x sucked ballz!!!!

by: ManofGod;659969

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Either that, or the XP optimizations have already been found and there is pretty much no more of them. In fact, I just picked up a copy of Vista HP for my HTPC and it runs quite well so far.

Joe

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its not that they are os spicific optmizations, its that older os's tend to get ignored, so the drivers put out for them suffer from niglect, the game spicifics optimizations and such dont alwase translate over to older os's,this happend in the end to 98se, but by that time any true gamer(not cs kiddies) was on 2k or xp :)

by: Laurijan;659555

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Vista 32Bit perform about 400pt slower then XP 32Bit (well know fact) and XP 64Bit performs about 250pt slower then XP 32Bit..

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strange, must be under intel cpu's as with my amd i see a BOOST in perf inder x64 pro

by: tigger69;659653

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Tbh,i'm sick of all the posts saying vista is shit etc etc.

If you dont like vista,fair enuff.Just keep your traps shut about it,instead of injecting random vista is shit comments into threads that mention vista.

As for this,4k with a gtx.I dont think i'll bother trying it anyway.

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Quoted for truth! Anywhere else (not in front of a computer monitor) when you don't like something, type of food, you don't eat it, you also don't tell people who do like that food that they shouldn't eat it because it tastes bad. You'd get severely laughed at if anyone tried that.

by: ChillyMyst;662141

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its not that they are os spicific optmizations, its that older os's tend to get ignored, so the drivers put out for them suffer from niglect, the game spicifics optimizations and such dont alwase translate over to older os's,this happend in the end to 98se, but by that time any true gamer(not cs kiddies) was on 2k or xp :)

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At the end of the day, it's a business to microsoft, they produce we buy, if it was so bad, no one would buy or use it. Microsoft would have no option but to drop it and try something else. It's also how things work in my opinion. Technology moves, that's a good thing. Look at how bad crysis runs on the top end graphics cards, never mind gens old ones that don't utilise a unified shader architecture. Things change, changes have to be put in place for things to progress and work. What's the use trying to get old software to do new things when the likely hood is that it will be easier to start from scratch to make sure it does what is wanted of it. /rant over (if any of that even makes sense :D)