Couldnt cry about the $349 if it runs better than the 8800gtx.

if it stomps the 9800GX2 into the dirt then its a good buy, if not then stick with the 8800GTX/Ultra

why would you say that, the 8800GTS 512 can tie the Ultra at times and surpasses it overclocked, so the new GTX will be a great buy

candle_86why would you say that, the 8800GTS 512 can tie the Ultra at times and surpasses it overclocked, so the new GTX will be a great buy

yeah especially considering the price!!

i was going to upgrade from my 8800GTS (G80) to a newer G92 model but the 9800GTX is very fairly priced and the 9800GX2 has no benefit at lower resolutions and i play at 1280x1024.

even though the 9800 models are still G92 their must be some benefit over the 8800 so for $350 im getting a 9800GTX :)

So this means it will be priced at $450 right? They always like gouging the prices...

Price is confirmed at 350. The gx2 barely outperforms the 8800gts, so at 100 dollars more, where will the 9800gtx fall in? If you really think about it, the 8800gts g92 is really a 9800gts.

So is this actually going to be a new chip, or just another modified 8800 like the 9800GX2

well, the "modified 8800" is the exact same architecture as the gx2, think of the gx2 as 2 gts's optimized, and the gtx like an overclocked gts. The 9600 is the only wierd egg, which has high clock speeds, but everything else is shitty. So it runs hot, but its cheap and efficient and a good card. I like the healthy competition between the 2 companies right now, its pretty fun to watch. I wish a third company would throw down in the GPU races.

hmmm, are they going to turn around and say it is delayed until the day after on april fools day for a joke? :nutkick:

candle_86why would you say that, the 8800GTS 512 can tie the Ultra at times and surpasses it overclocked, so the new GTX will be a great buy

What i was saying is those who have the 8800 Ultra Stick with them and those who have the G92 cards stick with them.

wonder how 3 of these compares to a pair of GX2s?

3870x2Price is confirmed at 350. The gx2 barely outperforms the 8800gts, so at 100 dollars more, where will the 9800gtx fall in? If you really think about it, the 8800gts g92 is really a 9800gts.

:confused::confused::confused:

9800 GX2 "barely" outperforms 8800 GTS?
Either "barely" changed it's meaning recently, or you are a little bit confused (or you were talking about 2x8800 GTS in SLI). Every review that I have seen (and I have seen all of them posted in TPU tuesday 18th + some others) shows the GX2 widely outperforming 8800 GT SLI, HD3870 X2 and 8800 Ultra. It even beats 8800 GTS SLI. Some games show an improvement of almost 80% versus single 8800 GTS, but the average is more around 50%. And it's 20% faster than HD3870 X2 on average. I wouldn't say it's barely faster...

I will be getting one of these, whenever they come out. It will most likely be a good bit faster than an 8800GTS and in addition it will overclock like a beast, as the 9-series seem to do.

Furthermore my silly love for graphics card appearances favors the GTX:


-Indybird

DarkMatter:confused::confused::confused:

9800 GX2 "barely" outperforms 8800 GTS?
Either "barely" changed it's meaning recently, or you are a little bit confused (or you were talking about 2x8800 GTS in SLI). Every review that I have seen (and I have seen all of them posted in TPU tuesday 18th + some others) shows the GX2 widely outperforming 8800 GT SLI, HD3870 X2 and 8800 Ultra. It even beats 8800 GTS SLI. Some games show an improvement of almost 80% versus single 8800 GTS, but the average is more around 50%. And it's 20% faster than HD3870 X2 on average. I wouldn't say it's barely faster...

LOL WOW. Hilarious, im not going to flame at all. Please look at this chart:

Wow!!!
it looks like here that it beats the x2 by 8%, not 20%
AND beats the 512GTS by 16%, meanwhile being exactly 220% More Expensive!!!
and 512GTS SLI sucks, we all know that. PWNTz0r3d!!!!
Sure on some, it outperforms by a pretty good margin, but on the same note, they are sometimes pretty close together, within a frame from one another, so you can really only tell by the average.

first off please dont use leet speak, it makes you look rather stupid, and second of all, that is as explained by wizz from 1024 all the way to 2560. Cards like this are meant for super res, if you play below 1600 why would you consider one?

candle_86first off please dont use leet speak, it makes you look rather stupid, and second of all, that is as explained by wizz from 1024 all the way to 2560. Cards like this are meant for super res, if you play below 1600 why would you consider one?

You look rather stupid, how does that make you feel? Whatever.
I could step up to the gx2 today for only 300 dollars, I play at 1920x1200 on a 24 inch monitor, i get 80-100 fps on most of my games, and the extra 6 fps i would get on crysis doesnt justify for me the extra money spent. Its still a nice card, but ill wait for the GTX.
Please have some manners in the forums, otherwise people get upset, and it makes YOU look rather stupid.
Hell, I didnt even flame the other guy in the post, I stated a fact, stated originally by our friends here at TPU on the review, left it at that, and added a word, in all hilariously-meant context. Im sure he wasnt offended at all, although he will probably come back with his own reply, even he didnt flame me.
Manners, please.

3870x2You look rather stupid, how does that make you feel? Whatever.
I could step up to the gx2 today for only 300 dollars, I play at 1920x1200 on a 24 inch monitor, i get 80-100 fps on most of my games, and the extra 6 fps i would get on crysis doesnt justify for me the extra money spent. Its still a nice card, but ill wait for the GTX.
Please have some manners in the forums, otherwise people get upset, and it makes YOU look rather stupid.
Hell, I didnt even flame the other guy in the post, I stated a fact, stated originally by our friends here at TPU on the review, left it at that, and added a word, in all hilariously-meant context. Im sure he wasnt offended at all, although he will probably come back with his own reply, even he didnt flame me.
Manners, please.

You appear to have an odd idea of what 'barely outperforms' means :wtf:

Techreport review of the 9800GX2 - Trounces the 8800GTS (which should be blindingly obvious given that it is basically GTS SLI)

www.techreport.com/articles.x/14355/5
www.techreport.com/articles.x/14355/6
www.techreport.com/articles.x/14355/7
www.techreport.com/articles.x/14355/8

Firingsquad review of 9800GX2 - Again completely trounces the 8800GTS

www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_9800_gx2_performance_preview/page8.asp
www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_9800_gx2_performance_preview/page9.asp
www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_9800_gx2_performance_preview/page10.asp
www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_9800_gx2_performance_preview/page11.asp
www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_9800_gx2_performance_preview/page12.asp
www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_9800_gx2_performance_preview/page13.asp


Bit-tech review of 9800GX2 - No comparison to the GTS 512 but the Ultra is included which gives a rough guide for GTS 512 performance:

www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/03/18/xfx_geforce_9800_gx2_600m_1gb_graphics_card/10
www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/03/18/xfx_geforce_9800_gx2_600m_1gb_graphics_card/11
www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/03/18/xfx_geforce_9800_gx2_600m_1gb_graphics_card/12
www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/03/18/xfx_geforce_9800_gx2_600m_1gb_graphics_card/14
www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/03/18/xfx_geforce_9800_gx2_600m_1gb_graphics_card/15

I could go on but I can't be bothered.

EDIT: I got bored so here is one more:

Guru3d Review of 9800GX2:

www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/512/11/
www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/512/12/
www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/512/13/
www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/512/14
www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/512/15/

Its good that you cant be bothered to go on making yourself look even more ignorant. Stating graphs doesnt make you right, and those graphs in no way reinforces anything. Are you planning to buy one? neither am I, or him, or the next person, or even the enthusiast after that....
like I said i'll wait for the GTX and hope it isnt just an overclocke 8800GTS, something I could do myself...

There is one thing, and this isnt a reflection on our little argument, but one of those graphs states that oblivion only does 37 FPS 16x16 at 1600x1200.
I didnt really check the other specs of the system but the gts that i own does 60-75 fps 8x16 on 1920x1200. I wonder, does the 8x increase of AA really mean that much different of FPS? im only oc'ed from 670 to 760 on the core, and am running the specs you see on the left. Either way im running a 24 inch monitor and cant see any pixels even right up against the screen on 4x16...

The graphs show you are quite clearly wrong. The graphs in most of the reviews (obviously you havn't bothered to read them) are represetative of gameplay (especially the techreport review which is done using fraps to record in gameplay scenes) so how can they not reinforce the fact that the 9800GX2 is quite clearly faster than a single 8800GTS?

Calling me ignorant is quite amusing given your posts in this thread.

EDIT: Also despite having a single 8800GTS I AM thinking of buying one. Mainly to play with.

April 1st is my B-Day!. But i won't have enough cash to get the card tho.

So how do you know they aint modifying the drivers or w/e to boost the performance ya know, cause if the Numbers here are stating the card is not as great as it could be, i mean comeon now, whats the hardware specs over there for CPU and motherboard since the CPU still feeds the Graphics the data needed.

Xaser04You appear to have an odd idea of what 'barely outperforms' means :wtf:

Can we also get Snapshots of what the difference is between AA Specs 2-16 and AF?

Techreport review of the 9800GX2 - Trounces the 8800GTS (which should be blindingly obvious given that it is basically GTS SLI)

www.techreport.com/articles.x/14355/5
www.techreport.com/articles.x/14355/6
www.techreport.com/articles.x/14355/7
www.techreport.com/articles.x/14355/8

Firingsquad review of 9800GX2 - Again completely trounces the 8800GTS

www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_9800_gx2_performance_preview/page8.asp
www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_9800_gx2_performance_preview/page9.asp
www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_9800_gx2_performance_preview/page10.asp
www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_9800_gx2_performance_preview/page11.asp
www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_9800_gx2_performance_preview/page12.asp
www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_9800_gx2_performance_preview/page13.asp


Bit-tech review of 9800GX2 - No comparison to the GTS 512 but the Ultra is included which gives a rough guide for GTS 512 performance:

www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/03/18/xfx_geforce_9800_gx2_600m_1gb_graphics_card/10
www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/03/18/xfx_geforce_9800_gx2_600m_1gb_graphics_card/11
www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/03/18/xfx_geforce_9800_gx2_600m_1gb_graphics_card/12
www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/03/18/xfx_geforce_9800_gx2_600m_1gb_graphics_card/14
www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/03/18/xfx_geforce_9800_gx2_600m_1gb_graphics_card/15

I could go on but I can't be bothered.

EDIT: I got bored so here is one more:

Guru3d Review of 9800GX2:

www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/512/11/
www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/512/12/
www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/512/13/
www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/512/14
www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/512/15/

eidairaman1So how do you know they aint modifying the drivers or w/e to boost the performance ya know, cause if the Numbers here are stating the card is not as great as it could be, i mean comeon now, whats the hardware specs over there for CPU and motherboard since the CPU still feeds the Graphics the data needed.

You see... :shadedshu

That's the problem, the big problem that I have been noticing in forums for long time: people don't read the entire articles! All those reviews give info about the test setup they are using and not only them all of the reviewers do anyway. In the links provided by Xaser:

TechReport on page 3
FiringSquad on page 5
Bit-Tech on page 8
Guru3D on page 10

About Wizzard's review (test setup on page 6):

www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_9800_GX2/24.html

I have to do some critics to the way Wizzard does the relative performance and performance per watt and dollar measurements. Perf/watt and perf/dollar are based on relative performance and it's there, on relative performance, where the problem is.

- First problem is the games selection: there are too many 4+ years old games that clearly won't show any advantage with new cards, especially on low resolutions and AA/AF levels.

-Second is the inclusion of 1024x768 0xAA 0xAF. A new $200+ shouldn't be benchmarked at such settings, a $400+ card, well...

Those two factors are what are making powerful cards look like "barely" faster than older and weaker ones in that section. And by doing that the whole section is useless IMHO.