wewt? i hope they at least include efi and winfs ...

The people have spoken and Microsoft has listened! Thank you Mr. Gates.:toast: This is very good news.

Interesting, I guess all those who despise vista may not have to move to it eventually after all. I personally hope they keep most of the functions of vista. We should see stuff soon if its coming out next year.

by: farlex85;734042

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Interesting, I guess all those who despise vista may not have to move to it eventually after all. I personally hope they keep most of the functions of vista. We should see stuff soon if its coming out next year.

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Which ones are those? :laugh:

Oh, you mean the ones that break the enjoyability of the PC, got ya (the only ones available) :p

maybe they will offer free upgrades to those who bought vista. if not, im never buying an OS again :laugh:

by: TheGuruStud;734053

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Which ones are those? :laugh:

Oh, you mean the ones that break the enjoyability of the PC, got ya (the only ones available) :p

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Mostly aero, I actually find it very much increases my enjoyability of using a pc. And other small little things that make me enjoy using vista more. I will eventually get sick of it, just in time for 7 hopefully....:)

by: Easy Rhino;734059

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maybe they will offer free upgrades to those who bought vista. if not, im never buying an OS again :laugh:

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you want them to refund cost of Vista, the OS that they worked on for 5 years? No, I don't think they are going to do that :laugh:

He used the words "could come within the next year" sure he didn´t miss the s as in years :laugh:

Its been rumored that Windows 7 is a hell of a lot closer to being released than they had originally stated. These things happen when people actually do WORK on an OS instead of rehashing a broken OS over and over again. I think the horrible inefficiencies of Vista were realized too late in the development process, not enough hardware wanted to get on board with it, and it got pushed out the door anyways. Considering how much is charged for each copy, I'd imagine they've made their money back already, and don't want to piss off their consumer-base any further. You know a version of Windows is doing poorly, when you can find Linux based systems on retail at Wal-Mart (they were discontinued a few months later however). Probably a big wake up call to the sleeping giant we call M$. I expect Windows 7 to be RTM mid 2009, and on retail shelves by q4. Or earlier.

When you finally get a program right, there's very few bugs to be found. I think they may have gotten it right this time, hence the earlier release.

Right. They want to get back to releasing a new OS every two years or so. They don't want people to become addicted to an OS (like were to XP, 98) and then stay away from a new OS.

As a fellow who messes with lots of OEM machines, I dunno if this is good or bad. Customers generally dislike Vista, don't blame em, its slow, buggy and unresponsive OS. It does not help that big companies bundle it with crappy comps with less than 2GB memory, ofcouse M$ is to blame here also.

So yes a new OS is welcome, but Iam afraid as Iam pretty sure we are going throught the same driver mess as with Vista, and Vista is slowly getting working drivers as we speak.

Windows 7 = Vista 1.01

A marketing ploy to calm the masses and muddy the waters. Display of progress yet there is none.

Most excellent! :D

by: AddSub;734095

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Windows 7 = Vista 1.01

A marketing ploy to calm the masses and muddy the waters. Display of progress yet there is none.

Most excellent! :D

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1.) fail at producing a news OS, so slap shit on top of XP

2.) make another shitty OS and call it the best ever so ppl pay to get rid of vista

3.) ????

4.) profit

Well, if they're moving it forwards by that much I hope they don't rush it and completely ruin it.

Windows 7 May Ship Next Year ??

I dont think this will happen some how...they are just trying to keep the punters happy lol!

Dont think it will either ms if windows 7 is not the greatest os ever there will be a revolution no pressure.

by: erocker;734038

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The people have spoken and Microsoft has listened! Thank you Mr. Gates.:toast: This is very good news.

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Um.. what's so bad about Windows Vista? :wtf:

If ya ask me id say nothing but then ive thought that for a while.

seems as tho Vista is fast becoming the modern day Win ME :)

by: Weer;734186

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Um.. what's so bad about Windows Vista? :wtf:

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Nothing at all if you've got a half decent desktop rig.

Everything and anything if you've got a run-of-the-mill desktop you brought from Dell when it was on offer...

Ill wait for benchies then see about getting it. Im overly happy with XP x64.

Remember that Vista was only really in development for 2 years. From 2002-2005, Microsoft was working on Longhorn. After that point, they reset the whole development process and modified server 2003 into Vista... That's why you can run Windows Server 2003 compatibility mode in Vista.

by: Oliver_FF;734198

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Nothing at all if you've got a half decent desktop rig.

Everything and anything if you've got a run-of-the-mill desktop you brought from Dell when it was on offer...

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Could not agree more with this one, good comment.

My rig is more than half decent(imo) and Vista ran good yea but games did not..

i would rather wait and have a good OS that is better than XP than have another rushed OS that is buggy and slower than the OS it replaced (Vista)

If M$ want to make another good OS and convince the people who are firmly sticking with XP to change OS they need to:

1. Not have crazy system requirments, the reccomended amount of RAM should be around 512MB and should run pretty well with that, 1GB is far too much for an OS to be "all right"

2. Can be advanced as it is simple, making an OS too simple can make it very annoying for anyone who wants to do things other than word processing and looking at images.

3. Have far better backwards compatability with applications than Vista did.

4. Not change the GUI significantly, M$ need to remember that people love the lay out of XP/2000/98.

5. Not copy Apple's every move with there GUI and design there own for a change.

6. and finally not do the typical M$ thing like they did with Windows ME, Xbox 360 and Windows Vista and release somthing that is full of bugs, no better than what it replaced, slow and unreliable.

by: Triprift;734187

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If ya ask me id say nothing but then ive thought that for a while.

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me too...iv neve3r had a problem with vista iv been able to get it to run decent on ever rig i put it on....the only ime i ever had trouble with vista is when i was beta testing it...and then the name speaks for it self....and even in beta it was my primary os i love how the ppl who bad mouth vista..


A. dont like change to begin with
B. have never used the OS and jump on a hate vista bandwagon
C. the only time they tried it was on a 1.8Ghz athlon XP with 512mb of ram (what were you expecting? honestly)
D. they dont like it because when they have a problem they dont know how to fix it and shun the os forever

wow..vista was a flop...dam...trying to get rid of it so fast

by: Solaris17;734344

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me too...iv neve3r had a problem with vista iv been able to get it to run decent on ever rig i put it on....the only ime i ever had trouble with vista is when i was beta testing it...and then the name speaks for it self....and even in beta it was my primary os i love how the ppl who bad mouth vista..


A. dont like change to begin with
B. have never used the OS and jump on a hate vista bandwagon
C. the only time they tried it was on a 1.8Ghz athlon XP with 512mb of ram
D. they dont like it because when they have a problem they dont know how to fix it and shun the os forever

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I coudnt agree more Sol it seems the in thing for a while now to rubbish Vista.

Excellent post been a few recently top stuff :toast:

by: azazel;734363

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wow..vista was a flop...dam...trying to get rid of it so fast

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couldn't agree more

by: Triprift;734394

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I coudnt agree more Sol it seems the in thing for a while now to rubbish Vista.

Excellent post been a few recently top stuff :toast:

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thank you iv been trying a little harder lately.

by: TheGuruStud;734139

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1.) fail at producing a news OS, so slap shit on top of XP

2.) make another shitty OS and call it the best ever so ppl pay to get rid of vista

3.) ????

4.) profit

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This is so true !!!! It's sad but that is how everyone is doing it now. Make money, don't fix things that don't work for the Customer. Look at UT3 !!! Is there ever more than 100 people online at 1 time (lol) but they will fix it soon with UT2009 (More Money). Another good one is the Creative mess here: http://www.overclockers.com/tips01312/
so don't try to correct it yourself get your check book ready for the fixes to come with something new oh yea and it will be better we promise :) :banghead: lol

There are a few companies that stand by there work like EVGA, OCZ,NewEgg, just to name a few. The rest of the companies need to look at how these GOOD companies treat there Customers and change there ways. WOW did i just vent ???? :laugh: :roll: :D

Vista was a hack job update to sell more copys of windows to stupid people and to force people who want to pc game to buy a new os, one problem, dx10 is POINTLESS, i have yet to see a game that looks drasticly diffrent in dx10 vs dx9 modes, so the whole "dx10 looks better and runs better" thing they tryed to spout is a crock(check some benches dx10 runs worse/slower then dx9 mode......)

vista is more a proof of concept design like auto makers show off at car shows, its pretty, its shiny, but its not something you probbly want to own/drive around if your into quility.

vista is form over function, as in my openion is macos(as it has been since 9)

hope they dont fuk it up, lets all hope the rummors are true, i want a small, fast modular os.....not more bloated crap full of lagacy code from the early 90's.......

by: Solaris17;734344

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me too...iv neve3r had a problem with vista iv been able to get it to run decent on ever rig i put it on....the only ime i ever had trouble with vista is when i was beta testing it...and then the name speaks for it self....and even in beta it was my primary os i love how the ppl who bad mouth vista..


A. dont like change to begin with
B. have never used the OS and jump on a hate vista bandwagon
C. the only time they tried it was on a 1.8Ghz athlon XP with 512mb of ram (what were you expecting? honestly)
D. they dont like it because when they have a problem they dont know how to fix it and shun the os forever

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I couldn't agree more! People hate Vista mainly because of that marketing snafu with 'Vista Capable'. It's truly sad that their marketing team put such a shadow on what otherwise is a great OS to use.

Anyway, I've read some articles concerning Windows 7, and they talk of it turning modular with yearly / monthly payments. Modular sounds like a great idea for slower computers and for people who want to easily customize their OS. The rumors about the payments are what concerns me... if they pull that off I'll be going to Linux. :ohwell:

by: BumbRush;734455

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Vista was a hack job update to sell more copys of windows to stupid people and to force people who want to pc game to buy a new os, one problem, dx10 is POINTLESS, i have yet to see a game that looks drasticly diffrent in dx10 vs dx9 modes, so the whole "dx10 looks better and runs better" thing they tryed to spout is a crock(check some benches dx10 runs worse/slower then dx9 mode......)

vista is more a proof of concept design like auto makers show off at car shows, its pretty, its shiny, but its not something you probbly want to own/drive around if your into quility.

vista is form over function, as in my openion is macos(as it has been since 9)

hope they dont fuk it up, lets all hope the rummors are true, i want a small, fast modular os.....not more bloated crap full of lagacy code from the early 90's.......

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Applying the same logic if you compare Windows 2000 (Professional) with XP, same applies. It's always been the order when a new version of Windows comes out.

for the world to change operating systems cost the world a bloody fortune.. this aint about whats wrong with vista.. its about what was wrong with XP and just why should the world jump when microsoft speaks..

for me to change operating systems there really does have to be some major gain for me.. so far nobody has told me what they are..

more pretties.. but slower and buggier and needing a new computer to run it.. .. hmmm.. how f-cking stupid MS must think the average PC user is.. they are taking the piss to be honest..

trog

Id simply stay with vista....if the rumors are infact true...i mean ppl dislike vista because it doesnt run properly on their hardware...i have a dual or single core 3800 and 2 gigs of ram and vista runs horribly on my machine with a agp 6800...well you see their inlies the problem...ppl did the same thing with XP......the XP to vista transition is no diff than the 2000 to XP transition...ppl complained that windows XP didnt run good on their 700mhz 128mb ram computer as well as 2000 did..well what did you think would happen? XP has a bunch of cool themes new processes new ways of handling things extra features.....of course it doesnt run as well...the same thing with vista..only instead of 700mhz it runs poorly on 1.5+ghz rigs....but the transition is no diff....vista has new features new processes other ways of handling a prettier interface...its the same problem and of course it doesnt run right on some ppls hardware it was known rom the beggining that vista would toll current systems just like XP tolled current systems back when 1GHZ procs were current...i honestly dont see the grounds of some ppls arguments..if you dont like it...turn off the cool effects take the hour or so to kill the processes and tweak your system its not anymore time than ppl took with XP to get it to run on their 700mhz rigs..so why the complaining?...of course ill give ppl credit some of the ppl that complain SOME are the kids who grew up to like computers in the XP era so they dont understand the transition but to those ppl bealive me its exactly the same..

its ironic that NT (1993) is older than 9X and was originally meant for High End machines (Servers/Workstations), still sucks for most part (still loses some data even after a power failure or shutdown, just try check disk you will see it)

ahhh... i said this was going to happen a long time ago when i was first bashing windows VIsta... and then all the vistards (not you solaris) came in and said (almost identical):

"i run it on my [insert crappy specs here] with full aero and its GREAT!!!"

"I run it and i love it, you just hate CHANGE..."

"You need to understand... that microsoft isnt going to give up an OS that they spent so much blah no such thing as sunk costs blah time and money."

"this happens with every windows version.." (except for 2000, and 2003 server, and well... i think NT4.0 but meh i could be wrong)

What none of these people understand is... there is GOOD change, and there is BAD change. Saying Vista bashers hate change is rediculous. And now all those people that hate vista bashing so much can thank all the bashers for getting M$ to release a better OS sooner! with DX10!!!

So yes... all of you that think no one is entitled to their opinion because you like your crap OS.


You're welcome.

(except for Solaris, who made a nifty start-up disk)

errr why are u running vista then and phanbuey the vista sucks crowds alot louder than the vista rules crowd im entitled to my opinion just as much as u are yeah i love my crap os

by: Bill Gates

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Sometime in the next year or so we will have a new version.

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Notice that he didn't say that a new Windows version will be available to consumers next year. I'm pretty sure that in this context, "we" refers to Microsoft and "having a new version" means they will have the core of the OS written. So I'm reading this statement more as, "Microsoft will start internal alpha-testing on Windows 7 sometime in 2009".

Of course, I'd be happy to be proved wrong :D. XP is getting a bit long in the tooth but it still handles all my needs, and there's no way I'm going to Vista just for DX10 that none of my hardware, and a tiny portion of my software, supports.

I just hope that Microsoft delivers on their original promise with Vista and writes Windows 7 in 100% managed code (.NET Framework). That would be the most stable OS ever released, period.

by: Solaris17;734485

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Id simply stay with vista....if the rumors are infact true...i mean ppl dislike vista because it doesnt run properly on their hardware...i have a dual or single core 3800 and 2 gigs of ram and vista runs horribly on my machine with a agp 6800...well you see their inlies the problem...ppl did the same thing with XP......the XP to vista transition is no diff than the 2000 to XP transition...ppl complained that windows XP didnt run good on their 700mhz 128mb ram computer as well as 2000 did..well what did you think would happen? XP has a bunch of cool themes new processes new ways of handling things extra features.....of course it doesnt run as well...the same thing with vista..only instead of 700mhz it runs poorly on 1.5+ghz rigs....but the transition is no diff....vista has new features new processes other ways of handling a prettier interface...its the same problem and of course it doesnt run right on some ppls hardware it was known rom the beggining that vista would toll current systems just like XP tolled current systems back when 1GHZ procs were current...i honestly dont see the grounds of some ppls arguments..if you dont like it...turn off the cool effects take the hour or so to kill the processes and tweak your system its not anymore time than ppl took with XP to get it to run on their 700mhz rigs..so why the complaining?...of course ill give ppl credit some of the ppl that complain SOME are the kids who grew up to like computers in the XP era so they dont understand the transition but to those ppl bealive me its exactly the same..

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Solaris, you just keep hitting it right on the money. I couldn't agree more. The only things I feel that microsoft did wrong here was to:
A) make Vista a requirement for several things
B) act as if they are cutting off XP so you have to use Vista
C) not fix (or get on other companies backs to fix) all of the hardware and software compatibility problems

If they made a few minor changes to the OS, changed their marketing strategy and given themselves 3-4 more months to fix bugs then Vista would've probably been way more popular than it was.

I can't wait for Windows 7. I've upgraded from Windows 98 to Windows 2000 to Windows XP to Windows Vista and have not been disappointed once along the way. Besides the XP to Vista Upgrade I got a new computer with every OS: a computer that was made to run that and the current performance intensive programs.

What I am hoping Windows 7 will have:
-Faster file system (NTFS has gotta go; WinFS anyone?)
-Keep Vista Aero, Windows Classic but also put a XP-like theme back in
-Get rid of the 32-bit RAM limit
-Keep the automatic driver finder (A very overlooked feature of Vista)
-Continue the whole theme of OS-Program-Hardware integration (Have the OS know what programs/hardware are made to do and have relating utilities and options to enhance their use)
-More gaming oriented options (Vista was going in the right direction: Games for Windows, Game Explorer, etc. But then it didn't with the whole flop of DX10)
-Performance mode: run windows in a stripped "no-special-features" mode either for performance or simplicity

I have about a million more things I'd like to see in Windows 7, but I cant think of them off hand.

-Indybird

by: phanbuey;734518

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ahhh... i said this was going to happen a long time ago when i was first bashing windows VIsta... and then all the vistards (not you solaris) came in and said (almost identical):

"i run it on my [insert crappy specs here] with full aero and its GREAT!!!"

"I run it and i love it, you just hate CHANGE..."

"You need to understand... that microsoft isnt going to give up an OS that they spent so much blah no such thing as sunk costs blah time and money."

"this happens with every windows version.." (except for 2000, and 2003 server, and well... i think NT4.0 but meh i could be wrong)

What none of these people understand is... there is GOOD change, and there is BAD change. Saying Vista bashers hate change is rediculous. And now all those people that hate vista bashing so much can thank all the bashers for getting M$ to release a better OS sooner! with DX10!!!

So yes... all of you that think no one is entitled to their opinion because you like your crap OS.


You're welcome.

(except for Solaris, who made a nifty start-up disk)

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lol thnak you and your totally entitled to you opinion....im not nay say tword ppl who dont like the OS and neither am i for the ppl who think vista rocks and ate ppl who wont change to it...im really not saying all ppl are afraiod of change im actually not thinking of anyone inparticular..i simply stated that those are a few of the reasons...

for example

A. some ppl are afraiod of change and though that is understandable is no reason to bash and not simply try the os out.

B. the ppl who jump on the bandwagon are especially at the gun becauser they havent tried it though i totally understand the bugs and rumors going around make it un appeling.

C. The ppl running it on old computers are asking for it ..and though it doesnt run right on that system i honestly dont think thats fair ground to call out an OS..though i completely understand some ppl cant help their situation either they dont want o or they dont have enough money to upgrade their computer (nor would they want to especially if its done simply for an OS) i am honestly the latter of the 2 im a super poor bastard..i cant afford any parts and when i get my tax return i will be upgrading its still going to be tight..it was mer chance my computer could run it as i had upgraded my computer spacifically for crysis. And its not like im completely oblivious..though who remember mny remember the athlon XP rig i had and thats what i beta tested vista on.

D.And the problem if you have a problem with the Os it should be expected...GRANTED anything you need to pay an obsene amount of money for should include some sort of functonality..however that is not to say you couldnt expect it...vista is a NEW OS and as any new software comes out you have updates i would like you to give me one example of something that didnt need an update...im not talking about something you didnt BOTHER updating im talking about a new or old program that has had no updates because it doesnt need one...and though ppl may have technical diffuculties with vista it is not beyond their power to fix it....remember XP SP1? that had a huge arsanal of problmes and though i have never delt with that personally and maybe neither have these types of ppl thats not going without saying the problems didnt exist which i can assure you they did...and just like than you open up a registry modification prog you run msconfig and services.msc..and you get to work making it better and trying to figure it out...i mean its not like we dont know how to trouble shoot..ask anyone on TPU....the only rason 99% of us are here is because we sighned up because we had a problem...or else why would we be registered on a tech forum....?


im not calling anyone out..i can see both sides...iv lived on boh ends i understand...however have being from both ends of the spectrum i can still raise the valid arguments..because i find most of the time...those are infact the things holding ppl back and the majority of the time they can be over come with technical skill patience and a pack of cigarettes like all the other OS's before it.

Milestone 1 was released quite a while ago for Windows 7. Also, Milestone 2 has or will be out very soon. They've been alpha testing for 6 months...

So, it looks like some of those who wish to throw the "my system is better then yours" card around in many of the forums will never get the glory days they thought they were expecting :laugh:. All to often have I read these kind of post when someone had problems with Vista. All to often have I've seen that card used to imply that the person who had problems had a crappy, old, outdated PC. We now know that Vista is nothing more then a stop gap tool for some to imply "I have a uber system". I hope with Win7 we return to sensibility and responsibility, that we don't use our OS to toot our PC. If and when this comes true, I say good!

I just spent 300$ of Vista Ultimate 64-bit OEM and now Bill Gates is telling me he doesn't like the current OS so they are going to release another to turn profit in 09.

I'm not going to spend my hard earned money on another OS anytime soon just so Bill Gates and his employees can make a profit and get paid.

If they want to do anything, they should come out with a Vista 1.1 that upgrades the current OS for a 90$-120$ price tag.

Microsoft :nutkick: Microsoft OS Users

And people wonder why Apple is growing so fast?...Microsoft kicked themselves and their consumers in the nuts hardcore with this.

by: Triprift;734526

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errr why are u running vista then and phanbuey the vista sucks crowds alot louder than the vista rules crowd im entitled to my opinion just as much as u are yeah i love my crap os

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:laugh::toast: Yes, yes you are.

I admit, I run visa :nutkick: (and i love me my bioshock in DX10), but its not like there are that many alternatives that run DX10. Plus, [insert more excuses here]...

Yeah, definitely not voting with my feet this time... But SOON! (oh god, please dont make buy a mac... NOOOOO.... AAAAAARGHGHGRR.....)

Wasent Mr. Gates retiring?

by: phanbuey;734554

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:laugh::toast: Yes, yes you are.

I admit, I run visa :nutkick: (and i love me my bioshock in DX10), but its not like there are that many alternatives that run DX10. Plus, [insert more excuses here]...

Yeah, definitely not voting with my feet this time... But SOON! (oh god, please dont make buy a mac... NOOOOO.... AAAAAARGHGHGRR.....)

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Running visa is bad, you should cut it as soon as possible.

MKmods,

I believe he is, but he Created MS so even while retired he still has some say in company direction. Remember MR. Gates isn't some elected higher up...

:twitch: If this is true, then it means that Vista was just a stop-gap solution until they could get the "real" O.S. out, a.k.a. Windows 7. I truly believe this v.7 will be a revolutionary O.S., especially if they base it on MinWin as the kernel and WinFS as the file system. Go M$ Go! :toast:

by: 1c3d0g;734563

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:twitch: If this is true, then it means that Vista was just a stop-gap solution until they could get the "real" O.S. out, a.k.a. Windows 7. I truly believe this v.7 will be a revolutionary O.S., especially if they base it on MinWin as the kernel and WinFS as the file system. Go M$ Go! :toast:

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People have been saying that from day one! There were a lot of nice features that were taken out of Vista months before it was shipped. Heck some still use the pre-release beta versions because they claim it's better. Win7, akaVienna, aka Blackcomb was in development years before Vista was released. When Vista was released a lot who have been following this development thought Vista was Vienna. Upon Vista's release we learned that Vista was some sort of branch of Vienna but not the true OS everyone is looking for. Heck as of this date we still don't know if Win7 will be the OS everyone was waiting for back then. From what I remember there was never any specific development for Vista (aka code names, etc). From what I remember back in 2005 Longhorn was changed to Vista that's when everyone thought Longhorn was Vienna but it wasn't. Longhorn was suppose to be Vienna but for whatever reasons this is when features started being removed (we later learned that Vista was built from XP). Remember folks, Blackcomb was in development since 2000 (if memory serves me correctly).

codename for vista was longhorn

I never blue screened beta 2, drivers still weren't there 100% but I never blue screened.

The other day, 1st day on the real vista 64, I had about 4 or 5 blue screens.....

Nvdia Ntune still blue screens when I hit certain things, but for the most part it's calming down on the bads.

by: EastCoasthandle;734565

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From what I remember there was never any specific development for Vista (aka code names, etc).

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I think you're correct. Once they killed longhorn, the rehashed XP kernel was just called vista. I think they tried to keep the longhorn name around for marketing's sake, but it wasn't that project anymore. They tried running the new stuff on top of it, but it just kept crashing. So, they removed the features one by one until they were all gone and nothing but aero ran (which still performs poorly, stardock does better than them).

Expect nothing good from the new OS. M$' track history will prove itself, once again. Any useful or "new" features will most likely be overshadowed and rendered useless by its bugs and inefficiencies.




And for the record, Vista RUNS LIKE SHIT! XP on 512 is about equal to vista with 2GB. I've used it many times on many systems and it's the same result, every time. I'm twiddling my thumbs while running apps and then I masturbate if I have to copy/move/delete files (and that's on systems that I clean up or install myself which practically doubles the speed, XP x64 FTMFW).

Sure, sure, it does work fine for email, browsing and MP3s (but then so does 2k/XP so why downgrade to vista). I installed it on my buddies comp that I built (2GB ram) and just for that stuff, it runs fine. But for any serious apps (lol), you know, something that is taxing or running multiple things, it's worthless.

^^Yup, Longhorn turned to Vista in 2005 (I think). From what I remember about Vienna:
-there was no more start button
-pure 64bit OS for servers
-32 and 64 bit OS for consumers
-completely new type of desktop that allowed .png (or something to that effect) that allowed animated icons, etc.
-no more explorer
-some sort of Pie shaped GUI menu system
-WinFS
-Monad Shell
-bunch of other stuff that I can't remember

by: Ravenas;734553

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I just spent 300$ of Vista Ultimate 64-bit OEM and now Bill Gates is telling me he doesn't like the current OS so they are going to release another to turn profit in 09.

I'm not going to spend my hard earned money on another OS anytime soon just so Bill Gates and his employees can make a profit and get paid.

If they want to do anything, they should come out with a Vista 1.1 that upgrades the current OS for a 90$-120$ price tag.

Microsoft :nutkick: Microsoft OS Users

And people wonder why Apple is growing so fast?...Microsoft kicked themselves and their consumers in the nuts hardcore with this.

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I know we usually don't see eye to eye on most things, but I agree 100% with you on this. :toast: They're just trying to please the shareholders while screwing over the consumer. For them to do this right they need to follow Apple's approach on OS releases. I'm sure that everyone is sick of all the multiple versions of Windows and all the different pricing for Upgrade, Retail, and OEM. Having ONE version and ONE cost like Apple has done is brilliant! If they had done something like that with Vista chances are they wouldn't have run into the whole "Vista Capable" mess. Anyway, I feel a rant coming on so I'll stop :laugh:

My only concern and hope is that Win7 is not Fuji!

Except Apple will charge you 3,000$ for a 800$ machine that lasts you 2 years and isn't upgradeable without breaking warranties.

Seems to me MacOS is more like a 2000$ operating system...

Longhorn was canceled in 2005. It was built on a beta version of Server 2003 initially with added features such as WinFS. Unfortunately, the sidebar had a huge memory leak that Microsoft never could really fix and WinFS did nothing but take up memory. When Microsoft realized that they weren't getting anywhere, they reset development to a Server 2003 final base. At this point, nothing of the original Longhorn was left. This build was known as build 5048. You can still find it floating around the internet if you look. The only thing that it had was a crippled version of Aero. From there, Microsoft gradually added a few small things like the sidebar and voice recognition and ka-pow! there was Vista.

oh ffs, plz quite ur whining about Vista. Its a great OS, no issues what so ever. Runs good, plays good, looks good.

Hopefully the next installment of Windows will be even better, so plz (to the mindless Vista bashers) stfu. buy it, use it, then complain, other than that your just being sheep jumping on a misconcieved popular bandwagon. Granted there are flaws, and its not to everyones liking, but for me and a GREAT deal of others its fab

by: 1c3d0g;734563

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:twitch: If this is true, then it means that Vista was just a stop-gap solution until they could get the "real" O.S.

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as is every os :roll:

as is every piece of hardware

its all just till something better comes along :rolleyes:

by: mandelore;734689

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oh ffs, plz quite ur whining about Vista. Its a great OS, no issues what so ever. Runs good, plays good, looks good.

Hopefully the next installment of Windows will be even better, so plz (to the mindless Vista bashers) stfu. buy it, use it, then complain, other than that your just being sheep jumping on a misconcieved popular bandwagon. Granted there are flaws, and its not to everyones liking, but for me and a GREAT deal of others its fab

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ITS GREAT FOR YOU!?!? my... it MUST be great for everyone! How dare we complain when it has issues for us/ doesnt meet our rediculous expectaions!?!? We're such A$$&*es... We're so sorrrrrry. :nutkick:


would you like a cookie with a warm glass of milk (i might have peed in it)?

Darn all I want is a lean mean snappy OS with good driver support and at a reasonable price. Hope Windows 7 is it. Keep it simple .

by: phanbuey;734725

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ITS GREAT FOR YOU!?!? my... it MUST be great for everyone! How dare we complain when it has issues for us/ doesnt meet our rediculous expectaions!?!? We're such A$$&*es... We're so sorrrrrry. :nutkick:


would you like a cookie with a warm glass of milk (i might have peed in it)?

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I think you missed the "and a great deal of others" tut tut, plz read properly

by: daboggeyman;734734

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Darn all I want is a lean mean snappy OS with good driver support and at a reasonable price. Hope Windows 7 is it. Keep it simple .

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I think it would have been a great idea to make the installation modular, so you could select what you did and didnt want, so if you wanted a quick snappy os, you could chose the minimal install, and for full bloat (why??) you could chose that. Vista, once you get rid of some crap is great!

just it would be nice to have a choice about what crap you install, i know you can make ur own DVD's, but from purchase, it would be a nice way to install

by: phanbuey;734725

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ITS GREAT FOR YOU!?!? my... it MUST be great for everyone! How dare we complain when it has issues for us/ doesnt meet our rediculous expectaions!?!? We're such A$$&*es... We're so sorrrrrry. :nutkick:


would you like a cookie with a warm glass of milk (i might have peed in it)?

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Dude, lay off the Kool-Aid. We already understand that you hate Vista, so stop getting your panties in a bunch when someone disagrees with your opinion.

by: daboggeyman;734734

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Darn all I want is a lean mean snappy OS with good driver support and at a reasonable price. Hope Windows 7 is it. Keep it simple .

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amen .... ill cosign that

okok, nm, pretend i didnt mention anything (tho secretly take it fully to heart hahaha)

dont let this degenerate as with most threads. :)

Nothing to see, swiftly moving on :p

by: [I.R.A]_FBi;734748

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amen .... ill cosign that

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Windows Aero Slim :)

that would be nice

still think a modular approach would be good, so for gamers you can avoid useless crap you will never use, or for business the converse, but with the ability to add windows "modules" as you see fit

by: mandelore;734745

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I think it would have been a great idea to make the installation modular, so you could select what you did and didnt want, so if you wanted a quick snappy os, you could chose the minimal install, and for full bloat (why??) you could chose that. Vista, once you get rid of some crap is great!

just it would be nice to have a choice about what crap you install, i know you can make ur own DVD's, but from purchase, it would be a nice way to install

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Exactly. MS should know by now from people using nLite and vLite that it would be a good idea to give those same options from the get-go. I really hope that's what they have in plan with the whole modular business.

by: mandelore;734752

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Windows Aero Slim :)

that would be nice

still think a modular approach would be good, so for gamers you can avoid useless crap you will never use, or for business the converse, but with the ability to add windows "modules" as you see fit

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Yea, they should have made Vista Anorexic Edition while they were at it. :laugh:

They really need to drop all of the legacy support and just start over. A brand-new and fresh 64-bit only version without the bloat would be wonderful. If people need to run their legacy software, then they should keep running XP in a dual-boot. There's no sense to let that hold everything back.

by: mandelore;734752

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Windows Aero Slim :)

that would be nice

still think a modular approach would be good, so for gamers you can avoid useless crap you will never use, or for business the converse, but with the ability to add windows "modules" as you see fit

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now thats an idea ....

http://thebetaguy.com/exclusives/?postid=1029344029&title=microsoft-windows-7-exclusive

A good read about Vista and Win7. Something interesting is that because of the anti-trust policies the EU demanded from MS, this led to a performance hit from the added amount of libraries. Hmm...

by: mandelore;734689

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oh ffs, plz quite ur whining about Vista. Its a great OS, no issues what so ever. Runs good, plays good, looks good.

Hopefully the next installment of Windows will be even better, so plz (to the mindless Vista bashers) stfu. buy it, use it, then complain, other than that your just being sheep jumping on a misconcieved popular bandwagon. Granted there are flaws, and its not to everyones liking, but for me and a GREAT deal of others its fab

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:shadedshu Learn to read. I never said Vista wasn't good for anything, in fact I'm running it right now as my main and only O.S. It's still the best O.S. that came out of Redmond, IMO, regardless of what some may say. But the Vista that was promised years ago (WinFS etc.) didn't materialize. That was - and still is - a disappointment to many.

I hope, for M$'s own sake, that they will do things right with Windows 7. They have an incredible potential to make revolutionary software, but it only comes when they're under pressure (kind of like Intel, if AMD screws up you get Netburst, if AMD succeeds you get an angry Intel with a kick-ass CPU). Now that the competition is heating up, I'm quite confident that Microsoft can deliver a knock-out punch with its newest O.S. Now I can't wait for 2009! :rockout:

At what point did Bill Gates ever state that it will ship next year? He said it will be RELEASED and is talking about the testing (alpha, beta and RC) of it. That doesn't mean RTM at all. Thank you for not only reading incorrectly but also confusing people as well.

For one, there is nothing wrong with Vista right now. For two, it will take a couple years of testing both privately and publicly before they release a new version RTM. So it might actually come in 2010 or 2011.

What will be funny is the problems that will plague this release as they have with every new OS release. Drivers, old hardware, etc. If people think that Windows 7 will have none of this then they are greatly confused.

by: daboggeyman;734734

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Darn all I want is a lean mean snappy OS with good driver support and at a reasonable price. Hope Windows 7 is it. Keep it simple .

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Get ubuntu LOL

I honestly cant wait to see what it looks like. I mean, I like Vista for what it is, but I will not put it on my system I currently use, as DX10 is just not that important to me.

wtb the file indexing system that was xed out of vista.

I have to add that I think MS push for Windows 7 is NOT fail on Vista, but rather, Apples unexpected WIN on new imacx and OSX. Its not that OSX is wow brilliant. But in combination with the elegant imac boxes, it really is selling well.

MS needs a serious trick ... because even after all these years, there isnt a PC manufacturer that makes something that looks as nice as a mac. Therefore MS has to have a SIGNIFICANTLY more attractive product to win over MacOSX combination.

We heard about LEAN Windows... and I think Win7 will offer a lean x86 platform for intels new atoms. And LEAN Windows on Core 2 Quad will be like lightening. Wintel back on the playing field.

by: lemonadesoda;734957

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I have to add that I think MS push for Windows 7 is NOT fail on Vista, but rather, Apples unexpected WIN on new imacx and OSX. Its not that OSX is wow brilliant. But in combination with the elegant imac boxes, it really is selling well.

MS needs a serious trick ... because even after all these years, there isnt a PC manufacturer that makes something that looks as nice as a mac. Therefore MS has to have a SIGNIFICANTLY more attractive product to win over MacOSX combination.

We heard about LEAN Windows... and I think Win7 will offer a lean x86 platform for intels new atoms. And LEAN Windows on Core 2 Quad will be like lightening. Wintel back on the playing field.

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Good post! :toast:
And it's very possible that win7 will offer benefits for Atom. As with anything we have to wait and see.

by: btarunr;734469

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Applying the same logic if you compare Windows 2000 (Professional) with XP, same applies. It's always been the order when a new version of Windows comes out.

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infact i have said that for years, about xp vs 2k, if you use the app compat tool that lets you run "xp compat mode" for 2k you can install the same apps even office 2007 as been reported to install and run fine(as it should since all xp really is, is a SMALL update to 2k with a pretty "Fisher price my first pc" gui(luna).

unlike what some of you vistards are implying im not afrade of change, infact i was and normaly AM one of the first to try a new os when it hits.

i had 2k MONTHS b4 any of you likely knew it excisted, went to an ms confrance about it with a teacher of mine, we got free rc disks for 2k as well as download access to newer versions including the RTM.

i used it over my older 9x/nt4 dual boot because once i got ahold of drivers for my hardware(not that hard acctualy since i was on nvida video at the time) i was able to run all the same apps, granted at times i had to use the compat tool but that was no biggie, xp, i used the beta for a while but it was to unstable in beta to be ur primary os.

so i waited and got full, after about 6-8months i dumped it and went back to 2k because in that time ms had put out no less then 6 patches marked as critical updated that BROKE my video or audio drivers OR BOTH!!!! (they wouldnt inilize with windows boot, you had to remove the drivers and reinstall them till it worked, this coudl take as many as 20times, the update was NOT uninstallable)

guess what i found when i went back to 2k from xp, IT RUNS FASTER, and i had been saying xp ran faster on my same setup(768-1gb ram, duron@866, powerfull for the early xp days) tryed it again after sp1 and sp2, still was slower then 2k.

i had also gotten ahold of RC 2003(from ms) then full RTM 2003, and i used that till recently when somebody from these forums told me i should try x64pro again, i did, and thats where i am now.

ms gave a bunch of us in my area vista FREE the ultimate version, guess what, it lasted 4 weeks in dual boot me TRYING to like it, after that i removed it because
1. its slower
2. its less reliable
3. it dosnt work with a good 3rd of my apps
4. its not my hardware
5. i dont see the big deal about areo, for like 2 years pre-vista i had skins that had transparancy on windowblinds.......and the same kind of fx that vista uses, but far less heavy on the hardware.......so i dont see the big deal.


I am far from being afrade of change, I just refuse to use hackjob os's that ms rushes out(ME,xp, vista) hell i was in the ME beta, it was great till the last 3 revisions when they made all that buggy crap mandatory(it was all optional at first u could choose to not install it)


If i want pretty skins/gui fx, I will use windowblinds, at least on it IF I want I can make skins or edit them to suit MY NEEDS without having to pay ms to make my themes authentic or without hacking files to enabled unsigned theme support.....


Part of the vistard problem is that they cant accpet that others may and do have valid reasions for dissliking and "bad mouthing" vista, just because YOU dont have a problem and LOVE it dosnt mean everbody else does, hope you can understand that someday, because it would make ur lives easyer and make it so you dont gotta go around bashing people who dont like your favorite os.


hell you vistards remind me of mac and linux advocates a couple years ago, "its just better"(linux and mac), "the gui is far supperior"(mac), i could go on and on and on and on, I have been in computers for over 14years now professionaly, and guess what I know CRAP when I see it, and ms has put out 2 what i consider crap os's for desktop users in a row.

XP:
1. has issues with updates breaking stuff.
2. has issues with "rott" this refers to how over time it slows down and gets less reliable on the avrage users system.
3. bloat, why is xp so much larger then 2k when in reality it dosnt need to be.....

now I see that some people love xp, and some people LOVE vista, and thats koo, but when those people bitch about problems that root back dirrectly to VISTA then get mad and call you a hater when you point that out, well i call BULLSHIT, same deal with people complaining about problems on XP(specly sp2) honestly, but at least most xp users didnt get mad and say u where bashing xp because you blamed xp and sp2 for the problem they had(specly with wireless network cards)

blah, stop calling all of us who hate vista idiots or implyig it and maby we wont have to tag you as vistards....

by: AsphyxiA;734800

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Get ubuntu LOL

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but ubuntu sucks......its noobie linux at best.......

there are plenty of good *nix os's out there, desktop bsd>ubuntu, vectorlinux>ubuntu

again i could go on and on and on, ubuntu is only really good for those who cant do ANYTHING themselves and need to spoon fed to them like an infant............

by: BumbRush;735170

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infact i have said that for years, about xp vs 2k, if you use the app compat tool that lets you run "xp compat mode" for 2k you can install the same apps even office 2007 as been reported to install and run fine(as it should since all xp really is, is a SMALL update to 2k with a pretty "Fisher price my first pc" gui(luna).

unlike what some of you vistards are implying im not afrade of change, infact i was and normaly AM one of the first to try a new os when it hits, i had 2k MONTHS b4 any of you likely knew it excisted, went to an ms confrance about it with a teacher of mine, we got free rc disks for 2k as well as download access to newer versions including the RTM, i used it over my older 9x/nt4 dual boot because once i got ahold of drivers for my hardware(not that hard acctualy since i was on nvida video at the time) i was able to run all the same apps, granted at times i had to use the compat tool but that was no biggie, xp, i used the beta for a while but it was to unstable in beta to be ur primary os, so i waited and got full, after about 6-8months i dumped it and went back to 2k because in that time ms had put out no less then 6 patches marked as critical updated that BROKE my video or audio drivers OR BOTH!!!! (they wouldnt inilize with windows boot, you had to remove the drivers and reinstall them till it worked, this coudl take as many as 20times, the update was NOT uninstallable)

guess what i found when i went back to 2k from xp, IT RUNS FASTER, and i had been saying xp ran faster on my same setup(768-1gb ram, duron@866, powerfull for the early xp days) tryed it again after sp1 and sp2, still was slower then 2k, and i had also gotten ahold of RC 2003(from ms) then full RTM 2003, and i used that till recently when somebody from these forums told me i should try x64pro again, i did, and thats where i am now.

ms gave a bunch of us in my area vista FREE the ultimate version, guess what, it lasted 4 weeks in dual boot me TRYING to like it, after that i removed it because
1. its slower
2. its less reliable
3. it dosnt work with a good 3rd of my apps
4. its not my hardware
5. i dont see the big deal about areo, for like 2 years pre-vista i had skins that had transparancy on windowblinds.......and the same kind of fx that vista uses, but far less heavy on the hardware.......so i dont see the big deal.


I am far from being afrade of change, I just refuse to use hackjob os's that ms rushes out(ME,xp, vista) hell i was in the ME beta, it was great till the last 3 revisions when they made all that buggy crap mandatory(it was all optional at first u could choose to not install it)


If i want pretty skins/gui fx, I will use windowblinds, at least on it IF I want I can make skins or edit them to suit MY NEEDS without having to pay ms to make my themes authentic or without hacking files to enabled unsigned theme support.....


Part of the vistard problem is that they cant accpet that others may and do have valid reasions for dissliking and "bad mouthing" vista, just because YOU dont have a problem and LOVE it dosnt mean everbody else does, hope you can understand that someday, because it would make ur lives easyer and make it so you dont gotta go around bashing people who dont like your favorite os.
hell you vistards remind me of mac and linux advocates a couple years ago, "its just better"(linux and mac), "the gui is far supperior"(mac), i could go on and on and on and on, I have been in computers for over 14years now professionaly, and guess what I know CRAP when I see it, and ms has put out 2 what i consider crap os's for desktop users in a row.

XP:
1. has issues with updates breaking stuff.
2. has issues with "rott" this refers to how over time it slows down and gets less reliable on the avrage users system.
3. bloat, why is xp so much larger then 2k when in reality it dosnt need to be.....

now I see that some people love xp, and some people LOVE vista, and thats koo, but when those people bitch about problems that root back dirrectly to VISTA then get mad and call you a hater when you point that out, well i call BULLSHIT, same deal with people complaining about problems on XP(specly sp2) honestly, but at least most xp users didnt get mad and say u where bashing xp because you blamed xp and sp2 for the problem they had(specly with wireless network cards)

blah, stop calling all of us who hate vista idiots or implyig it and maby we wont have to tag you as vistards....

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dude youtr a tool i didnt say anything about ppl being afraid of change sit down wip out you leapfrog and learn to read.....figured id break it down for you since you like to use alot of little kid talk.

by: BumbRush;735170

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unlike what some of you vistards are implying im not afrade of change, infact i was and normaly AM one of the first to try a new os when it hits, i had 2k MONTHS b4 any of you likely knew it excisted, went to an ms confrance about it with a teacher of mine

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If you want people to respect your all-mighty self-conceited opinion, at least learn to spell and use grammar. A true "professional" would realize that going on a rant such as that doesn't help in proving a point. Your second "paragraph" was a run-on sentence that lasted 6 lines! I know that's being picky, but it takes 5 times longer to read and decipher something written like that.

I coudnt agree more Sol it seems a number of ppl get carried away with there emotions in these threads and endup having a brain explosion. It would be nice to see a balanced discussion with these type of threads but it doesnt seem to happen :/

by: Solaris17;734546

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lol thnak you and your totally entitled to you opinion....im not nay say tword ppl who dont like the OS and neither am i for the ppl who think vista rocks and ate ppl who wont change to it...im really not saying all ppl are afraiod of change im actually not thinking of anyone inparticular..i simply stated that those are a [SIZE="5"]few of the reasons...
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for example

A. some ppl are afraid of change and though that is understandable is no reason to bash and not simply try the os out.

B. the ppl who jump on the bandwagon are especially at the gun becauser they havent tried it though i totally understand the bugs and rumors going around make it un appeling.

C. The ppl running it on old computers are asking for it ..and though it doesnt run right on that system i honestly dont think thats fair ground to call out an OS..though i completely understand some ppl cant help their situation either they dont want o or they dont have enough money to upgrade their computer (nor would they want to especially if its done simply for an OS) i am honestly the latter of the 2 im a super poor bastard..i cant afford any parts and when i get my tax return i will be upgrading its still going to be tight..it was mer chance my computer could run it as i had upgraded my computer spacifically for crysis. And its not like im completely oblivious..though who remember mny remember the athlon XP rig i had and thats what i beta tested vista on.

D.And the problem if you have a problem with the Os it should be expected...GRANTED anything you need to pay an obsene amount of money for should include some sort of functonality..however that is not to say you couldnt expect it...vista is a NEW OS and as any new software comes out you have updates i would like you to give me one example of something that didnt need an update...im not talking about something you didnt BOTHER updating im talking about a new or old program that has had no updates because it doesnt need one...and though ppl may have technical diffuculties with vista it is not beyond their power to fix it....remember XP SP1? that had a huge arsanal of problmes and though i have never delt with that personally and maybe neither have these types of ppl thats not going without saying the problems didnt exist which i can assure you they did...and just like than you open up a registry modification prog you run msconfig and services.msc..and you get to work making it better and trying to figure it out...i mean its not like we dont know how to trouble shoot..ask anyone on TPU....the only reason 99% of us are here is because we sighned up because we had a problem...or else why would we be registered on a tech forum....?


im not calling anyone out..i can see both sides...iv lived on boh ends i understand...however have being from both ends of the spectrum i can still raise the valid arguments..because i find most of the time...those are infact the things holding ppl back and the majority of the time they can be over come with technical skill patience and a pack of cigarettes like all the other OS's before it.

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re read plz here let me help....

by: Triprift;735252

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I coudnt agree more Sol it seems a number of ppl get carried away with there emotions in these threads and endup having a brain explosion. It would be nice to see a balanced discussion with these type of threads but it doesnt seem to happen :/

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i couldnt agree more. Their have been many times for example the thread that was about which company had better image quality...these things would be alot more informative if ppl could learn to carry on a professional conversation however they seem to lack a couple elementary skills.

by: BumbRush;735173

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but ubuntu sucks......its noobie linux at best.......

there are plenty of good *nix os's out there, desktop bsd>ubuntu, vectorlinux>ubuntu

again i could go on and on and on, ubuntu is only really good for those who cant do ANYTHING themselves and need to spoon fed to them like an infant............

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lol?.....

by: BumbRush;735173

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but ubuntu sucks......its noobie linux at best.......

there are plenty of good *nix os's out there, desktop bsd>ubuntu, vectorlinux>ubuntu

again i could go on and on and on, ubuntu is only really good for those who cant do ANYTHING themselves and need to spoon fed to them like an infant............

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yeah but it has REALLY REALLY f**king good support ;) even if it is linux-for-nubs! yeah like most people who run...well... windows!!!!!

The reason windows is having flawss is because the OS is becoming far too bloated.

by: FatForester;735247

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If you want people to respect your all-mighty self-conceited opinion, at least learn to spell and use grammar. A true "professional" would realize that going on a rant such as that doesn't help in proving a point. Your second "paragraph" was a run-on sentence that lasted 6 lines! I know that's being picky, but it takes 5 times longer to read and decipher something written like that.

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there i broke it up for you, maby i will do one sentance a line from now on so that people who need help reading can coap.

solar, i thought u where a koo guy, i see why some ppl been blocking you lately, u have become quite bitter and crochity(cranky)

i think of myself as a cool guy and have nothing against you valid points but in the wrong tone. Lot of ppl blocking me? like other than yourself?....damn now my e-penis just shrunk a little...that means all 4k+ of my posts cant be read by everybody what am i gonna do? Thats a shame judging by what the rest of the world tells me i can come up with some pretty good material meh their loss.


also dont consider myself crotchety..i dont like being called a vistard when i blatently posted that i under stood both sides and i wasnt for or against anybody...if the forum didnt have a color offset id say it was pretty back and white.


nothing against you bumrush.

by: Ravenas;735264

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The reason windows is having flawss is because the OS is becoming far too bloated.

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and what os today isnt?

every os today that is bloated compared to the past.

this includes all the most popular linux distrobutions.

they come with shit you dont need/want, most dont let you choose not to install it....blah

mac os comes with crap that i would yank out.

i hope this style of posting is better then earlyer posts.

I'm not sure why there is even still discussion about why vista is great or sucks. Its all been said already (bloated, pretty, buggy for some, ect.), no need to get in a huff. Everyone has their preference and thats fine, a truly great os is one that will offer variations for everyone so that it can be made to fit each persons likings. Here's to hoping Windows 7 accomplishes this. :toast:

by: Solaris17;735273

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i think of myself as a cool guy and have nothing against you valid points but in the wrong tone. Lot of ppl blocking me? like other than yourself?....damn now my e-penis just shrunk a little...that means all 4k+ of my posts cant be read by anybody what am i gonna do? Thats a shame judging by what the rest of the world tells me i can come up with some pretty good material meh their loss.


also dont consider myself crotchety..i dont like being called a viostard when i blatently posted that i under stood both sides and i wasnt fo o against anybody...iof the forum didnt have a color offset id say it was pretty back and white.

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i never said i blocked you.

i can see with the tone you take and how you react to my posts why some ppl have said they have you blocked, like addsub.

i couldnt care less about your e-peen or ur real one(if u have a real one :P )

the only person i blocked was newtekie.

i got sick of his ranting about how nvidia is perfect and can do no wrong, and how ati/amd suck and can do no right.

im no fanboi, but i get sick of the attacks on anybody who has a differing openion.

like if i say vista sucks i have 10 people jump on me and call me ignorant.

or tell me im afrade of change, even if my reasions are valid and shared by millions of people across the world.

If you like vista, more power to you, but dont tell me in wrong for dissliking it or bitching about problems i and my clients have had with it.

again i hope this style of posting is helping people to read what i post easyer.

by: farlex85;735276

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Its spelled "cope". Anyway, I'm not sure why there is even still discussion about why vista is great or sucks. Its all been said already (bloated, pretty, buggy for some, ect.), no need to get in a huff. Everyone has their preference and thats fine, a truly great os is one that will offer variations for everyone so that it can be made to fit each persons likings. Here's to hoping Windows 7 accomplishes this. :toast:

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but the thing is some of the ppl in this forum get mad if you post anything negitive about things such as:

nvidia

vista

creative

not to say that ATI/AMD fans dont do the same shit at times, but they never get as rude and costic and i havent seen any of them on here try and use broken "my view is the only view" logic.

by: BumbRush;735280

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but the thing is some of the ppl in this forum get mad if you post anything negitive about things such as:

nvidia

vista

creative

not to say that ATI/AMD fans dont do the same shit at times, but they never get as rude and costic and i havent seen any of them on here try and use broken "my view is the only view" logic.

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i use creative but their not my number 1 i like turtle beach :)

by: BumbRush;735280

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but the thing is some of the ppl in this forum get mad if you post anything negitive about things such as:

nvidia

vista

creative

not to say that ATI/AMD fans dont do the same shit at times, but they never get as rude and costic and i havent seen any of them on here try and use broken "my view is the only view" logic.

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I've seen ati/amd fans be pretty insulting for no good reason. I'm not arguing that people are rude some times, but calling people "vistards" only makes you a hypocrite. Fight illogic with logic, not with more illogic, it will break down on its own. ;)

I think we should just continue or at least try to this got all sorts of ridiculous..

my apologies if i seemed off character...i have a habit of reacting o something in the same way it was presented ot me.

Hmmm as far as im concerned sols one of the most respected ppl here at tpu very friendly fair and always good a for a laugh.

you have my thanks but forgive me for not exactly knowing what to type..i lock up at these types of things...i can only say that is what greatly appreciated its not like someone can already know their self worth to a community so its interesting to know sometimes :)

by: Triprift;735307

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Hmmm as far as im concerned sols one of the most respected ppl here at tpu very friendly fair and always good a for a laugh.

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Yes sir! No doubt!:toast: