To give things some focus does anyone wanna take a guess as to when they think these bad boys might be comming out? (yes no one knows but its better than fighting ;))

since I'm gonna do a whole new rig in november I might just go with crossfire 4870's if they are out by then

magibegTo give things some focus does anyone wanna take a guess as to when they think these bad boys might be comming out? (yes no one knows but its better than fighting ;))

For no reason at all, I really hope it's within 2 weeks. :D I'm not even desperate for a new card either :rolleyes:. With 3D mark vantage due out very soon, I reckon ATi will want their cards out as soon as to "showcase" their new stuff.

magibegTo give things some focus does anyone wanna take a guess as to when they think these bad boys might be comming out? (yes no one knows but its better than fighting ;))

ill say 2 months

just a random guess

Waiting for my next monster won't be too bad this time. Through endless amounts of tweaking, I finally got my tri-fire to handle anything I can throw at it. Even with these watered down specs, I still can't stop shaking my fist at the thought of how fast these things will be.

kylewFor no reason at all, I really hope it's within 2 weeks. :D I'm not even desperate for a new card either :rolleyes:.

me too, just got 9600GT in hope of saving for a better card. :roll:

I'm an ATI fanboy out and out but I respect Nvidia's performance but I won't get their cards because I don't like their drivers and I've always noticed a weird stuttering problem with all of their cards...

newtekie1As for lazy driver releases, last I checked nVidia has been pushing out 2+ drivers a month, ATi is lucky to see monthly releases anymore.

:laugh: i did this shot a few minutes ago :D Today is 2008. april 25. :D The regular user goes to nvidia.com for the newest official, don't searches the net for betas and modded inf drivers. (what nvidia drivers are there anyway? beta, modded inf beta, official beta, whql, official whql :eek: :twitch: )

I had a 7900gt for almost 2 years before my hd3870. There was a 9 months period with no official whql forceware. 9 months! There was a lot of betas though, all of them ended with BSOD (i tried them).
Now i'm with ati for 2 months now, and had no driver issues from cata8.1 to cata8.4.
I just like to get a new driver every months.

This thread isn't about Nvidia drivers. Stay on topic please.

ExceededgokuI'm an ATI fanboy out and out but I respect Nvidia's performance but I won't get their cards because I don't like their drivers and I've always noticed a weird stuttering problem with all of their cards...

i honestly TRIED to go nvidia , tried 8800 gts 640 , 8800 gtx , 8800 gts g92 , 9800gx2

and out of all the only one that i had fun with was the 8800 gts g92 , all others except 9800 gx2 wud play fine but have weird problems now and then ............. the 9800 gx2 was WELL if i put it in words nv fanbois will be all over my rear end so ill leave it to your imagination , back to hd 3870 x2 and happy .

Let's try to get this thread back on track...

What the heck???? Nvidia?



9800GX2 Vista 32bit driver.:confused:

At first I thought it was over-active heuristics too...... but it still made its way onto my computer. I may have to delete it with my Linux boot disc. :(

ghost101I have the heuristic analyzer off. I think that's the default setting. Did you turn it on?

Nope, I didn't change any settings.

Looks impressive, especially since I'm planning a build in the coming months so hopefully it'll be out by then, it also looks like ATI will make it worthwhile to buy an X2 over Crossfiring 4870s because of the prices, assuming the 4870~$350 and the 4870X2~$500.

And yeah, although off topic, the number of Vista crashes does not give an accurate measurement of which driver is more prone to failure. For a pool of 100 people submit a driver crash report over one week's time of time, 70 are Nvidia users and 30 are ATI users (A rough installment base). You can draw from that data that 70% of crashes were caused by Nvidia, even though both companies are suffering a 1 crash per week ratio, therefore invalidating the 30% vs 70% argument. A proper example would be if 100 people submit driver crash reports over one week's time and 140 of them are Nvidia users and 30 of them are ATI, then you can say Nvidia's crash ratio is 2 per week while ATI's is still 1 per week. The key to this example is that the number of users needs to be given before hand and possibly also unique crash counts.

Valdez

:laugh: i did this shot a few minutes ago :D Today is 2008. april 25. :D The regular user goes to nvidia.com for the newest official, don't searches the net for betas and modded inf drivers. (what nvidia drivers are there anyway? beta, modded inf beta, official beta, whql, official whql :eek: :twitch: )

I had a 7900gt for almost 2 years before my hd3870. There was a 9 months period with no official whql forceware. 9 months! There was a lot of betas though, all of them ended with BSOD (i tried them).
Now i'm with ati for 2 months now, and had no driver issues from cata8.1 to cata8.4.
I just like to get a new driver every months.

Someone here is a little freaking retarded. WHQL doesn't mean shit. I'd rather not have M$ slap a meaningless label on it. 174.74s are whql for 9 series, so just get the "beta" (which is identical) if you have an older card and STFU.

Longer time between releasing probably saves your avg joe dipshit from problems. I can see them going to the website 3 times a month installing new drivers without actually uninstalling (cleaning) the old ones (which is definitely partly Nvidia's fault and ATI, etc) and causing mayhem.
If you're smart enough to be updating drivers (properly), then you probably don't need to go to the official sites to get them (I know I never do).

I learned that about the Hotfix Driver for AGP on ATI parts, dont install on the Regular driver- install it by itself.

TheGuruStudSomeone here is a little freaking retarded. WHQL doesn't mean shit. I'd rather not have M$ slap a meaningless label on it. 174.74s are whql for 9 series, so just get the "beta" (which is identical) if you have an older card and STFU.

Longer time between releasing probably saves your avg joe dipshit from problems. I can see them going to the website 3 times a month installing new drivers without actually uninstalling (cleaning) the old ones (which is definitely partly Nvidia's fault and ATI, etc) and causing mayhem.
If you're smart enough to be updating drivers (properly), then you probably don't need to go to the official sites to get them (I know I never do).

my initial reaction: good for ATI!!!

i bought a 3870 brand new not long after release for $250, nice to see that the next top model (4870) will be over $300++

and yes, MSRP says a LOT about what the card will do with respect to previous releases.

SapientwolfLooks impressive, especially since I'm planning a build in the coming months so hopefully it'll be out by then, it also looks like ATI will make it worthwhile to buy an X2 over Crossfiring 4870s because of the prices, assuming the 4870~$350 and the 4870X2~$500.

Especially if the 4870x2 is faster than the 4870 CF as it holds true for their predecessors :toast:

MegastyEspecially if the 4870x2 is faster than the 4870 CF as it holds true for their predecessors :toast:

most defi - I've holding off for the GDDR4 3870x2s to start dropping before I snag one along with a new PSU - but after these leaked reports of the HD4000 specs, I might keep saving so I can snag 2 4870x2s + a PSU at the same time.

After running dual 1950 PROs, I've become a believer in Crossfire's ability to improve gameplay with higher resolutions; so I'm aiming solely at a minimal dual-GPU card.

two dual-GPU cards, preferably :D



Again, though, based on these specs, it looks like the GPU market is going to become a stomping ground between the two companies again - and we haven't seen that in all it's glory since ATI rolled out the X1900/50 series.

Okay, more than likely the 4870 X2's will have a 50MHz bump up from the stock core, i'm thinkin'. Well, at least maybe for Sapphire and HIS and not sure about the rest. That would be a nice boost for the gigaflops, right? Is this a good educational guess? Anyone...

I haven't built a Crossfire machine yet, but I only hear good things. I was thinking about pairing up some 3870s on a more expensive X38 or X48 board, but with the introduction of the X2 series that seems to be working very well and the rumors of the HD 4xxx I may just have to wait and see.:o

newtekie1It is impossible because the claim was never made. However, the 1GHz claim actually WAS made. It is just more marketing BS put out by the graphics cards companies to trap the fanboys.

I suppose second hand info equates to official marketing and leaked specs equate to final words now?

Did AMD's marketing make any claims like that? Reading the original article I see, "while the 4870 will be the first mass-production GPU with a clock speed higher than 1 GHz. Prototype RV770 boards were clocked at about 1.05 GHz." Right off the bat the reference to prototypes should be a bit of a redflag for anyone looking to take that claim to heart. Especially when he referred to final clocks (albeit in reference to the 4850) not being specified in the previous sentence. It sounds like buddy @ tgdaily might have heard the prototypes were clocked at 1.05 GHz, realized the benchmark that sets and ran with that.

I could see your point if this was something that came directly from AMD, and if they did I'll go find a crow and some salt, but I was under the impression that AMD has overall been pretty damn tight lipped (this new article seems to echo that) about these new cards and reading that article I'm not seeing any reason to think that the info came direct from AMD. The only "from AMD" thing reported there seems to be that they'd be rolling out a significant number of products in May, and even among that it goes on to say "sources now confirmed that the introductions will include desktop ... graphics parts." which points towards Dirk not specifying that. "We'll be releasing a product in May... I won't say what it is but it will be first mass-production GPU with a clock speed higher than 1 GHz" doesn't sound quite right heh...

Likewise, I'm not sure I'd place stock into leaked specs (actually it's kind of funny, if I remember correctly when leaked specs of the 9000 series were posted I could have swore you argued against their validity), especially from a source that seems to contradict itself within a weeks time. Stuff like this should be an indicition of where things are headed but I wouldn't assume leaked specs to be 100% for any upcoming products from any company.

In that case the 'specs leakage' in the first post didn't come from AMD either.

It doesn't make sense if AMD spends more than one year of R&D on the R700 series to make it based off the R600 and one more thing which confuses me, what happened to the R700? Why is there already a "revision" RV770? The RV naming is used for non-flagship products. Example R600 is flagship, RV670 isn't flagship, but the R680 (2xRV670) is flagship. Note the naming.

btarunrIn that case the 'specs leakage' in the first post didn't come from AMD either.

I'd say its mostly speculation.

EDIT: Its all bullshit:

www.hardware-infos.com/news.php?news=2008
See this? This is "their sources" Its evidently not from AMD Moreover, see what fudzilla says about the source:www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6994&Itemid=1

Note, fudzilla seem to be NEVER wrong. They are always correct and them actually going that that info is bull says a lot. Which means this news article is to be taken with a grain of salt...

512bit mem bus anyone?