Thursday, May 22nd 2008

Eizo Targets Gamers with New 24-inch HD2452W Screen

Eizo, a Japanese company very famous with its first class LCD monitors, will release next month the FlexScan HD2452W, an LCD screen oriented to computer gamers. This 24.1-inch widescreen display boasts resolution of 1920x1200 pixels, 450cd/m2 brightness, contrast ratio of 1000:1, 16ms response time (no TN panel for sure), and 178 degrees horizontal and vertical viewing angles. On the backside of the monitor you'll find two HDMI ports, DVI-D with HDCP, D-Sub 15 pin, USB-Hub, D4-Video, Component Video (Y/Pb/Pr), Composite-Video and S-Video inputs. The package even includes a remote. The FlexScan HD2451W will hit Japan first sometime next month for ¥129,800 or 800€.

Source: Pocket-link.co.uk
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40 Comments on Eizo Targets Gamers with New 24-inch HD2452W Screen

#1
substance90
Pretty not impressive! Neither the price, nor the specs. Nobody seems to be able to beat Dell`s monitors in the price/quality ratio.
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Ahhzz
by: Silverel
16ms response time? That's supposed to be for gamers?

Around 5ms is generally recommended...
exactly what I thought when I saw it....
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#3
Haytch
20/20 vision doesnt exactly mean you can tell shit from clay.
16ms is shocking and noone should have to play under such ghosting.
If you dont see the ghosting then i envy you because i could never play under those conditions.

Be jelous of those whom are blind to lifes harsh reality, for they are the only true happy people!
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Mussels
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by: Haytch
20/20 vision doesnt exactly mean you can tell shit from clay.
correct. i am having trouble telling your post apart from shit.

If you had read the thread, and peoples posts you would be aware this is not a TN panel, it is a far superior type. The screen is 8ms as measured by other companies (grey to grey), and 16ms is in fact, the response rate at which you can no longer notice blurring and ghosting.
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Haytch
by: Mussels
correct. i am having trouble telling your post apart from shit.

If you had read the thread, and peoples posts you would be aware this is not a TN panel, it is a far superior type. The screen is 8ms as measured by other companies (grey to grey), and 16ms is in fact, the response rate at which you can no longer notice blurring and ghosting.
HAHA, your not me! I did read the thread. Thats why i envy you!
I realized it had an 6ms g2g, but thats besides the point. The point was that anything beyond 2ms is shit for g2g. Especially for the gamers out there.

And the part where you assumed i can no longer notice blurring and ghosting at 8ms is because your comparing yourself to me. Please dont.

Yes, the monitor has features, none which i havnt already seen elsewhere, but it has features.
Yes, the monitor has size, nothing that hasnt been pwned already, but yep its got size.
Yes, the monitor has a price tag.

Hindsight looks beyond!
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Mussels
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by: Haytch
HAHA, your not me! I did read the thread. Thats why i envy you!
I realized it had an 6ms g2g, but thats besides the point. The point was that anything beyond 2ms is shit for g2g. Especially for the gamers out there.

And the part where you assumed i can no longer notice blurring and ghosting at 8ms is because your comparing yourself to me. Please dont.

Yes, the monitor has features, none which i havnt already seen elsewhere, but it has features.
Yes, the monitor has size, nothing that hasnt been pwned already, but yep its got size.
Yes, the monitor has a price tag.

Hindsight looks beyond!
so you've used LCD panels that aren't TN? This is a different kind of screen. you are making assumptions here, you say you notice ghosting and blurring at 8ms. To be honest, i'd say you've used one shit of an 8ms screen. it all comes down to how the OTHER color changes match up.

your 8ms g2g screen, that you notice blurring on probably goes upto 20ms on certain color changes.

This is not a TN panel, it does not directly compare to the LCD's you are talking about - it has true viewing angles, better color reproduction, and is of the type professionals use. people who call themselves pro, use CRT - these are the LCD's that go beyond CRT, and they are NOT the same as the average cheap ones on the market.

Its not like i have poor eyesight here either, i can see changes upto 120Hz (which is why i moved off CRT, too expensive to get refresh rates above 85 at decent resolutions) and i cant stand gaming at anything less than 60FPS - i AM sensitive to these things.
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#8
Haytch
Actually the monitor i was comparing it too was my Asus LS201, 20", which is a shit monitor for what i need it for. Yes its a TN panel, a rather crappy one. It simply isnt good enough. But its better then this monitor ( except the size ). Yes i see blurring & ghosting :( It has a poor contrast ratio, but it was a cheap buy and a step DOWN from the Asus PG191-G.

Picked up a Dell 2408WFP, its a 24" TN, with very simular specs to the Eizo HD2452W, and find this to be a poor monitor too.

Dont get me wrong, the colour burst is superior, well maybe except black.
But in the end, if the grey to grey is 6ms its not good enough for me, and shouldnt be good enough for a ' gamer '.

I am looking for a new monitor, but wont be considering anything this poor again.
Im more then happy to seperate my gaming from movie experience for now.
I dont mind the quality from HDMI to the 70" Sony Bravia, might not look as good as the 42" Sony Bravia, but its 28" bigger!
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Wile E
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by: Haytch
Actually the monitor i was comparing it too was my Asus LS201, 20", which is a shit monitor for what i need it for. Yes its a TN panel, a rather crappy one. It simply isnt good enough. But its better then this monitor ( except the size ). Yes i see blurring & ghosting :( It has a poor contrast ratio, but it was a cheap buy and a step DOWN from the Asus PG191-G.

Picked up a Dell 2408WFP, its a 24" TN, with very simular specs to the Eizo HD2452W, and find this to be a poor monitor too.

Dont get me wrong, the colour burst is superior, well maybe except black.
But in the end, if the grey to grey is 6ms its not good enough for me, and shouldnt be good enough for a ' gamer '.

I am looking for a new monitor, but wont be considering anything this poor again.
Im more then happy to seperate my gaming from movie experience for now.
I dont mind the quality from HDMI to the 70" Sony Bravia, might not look as good as the 42" Sony Bravia, but its 28" bigger!
No, the LS201 in no way compares to this. I 100% back Mussels on this. You cannot directly compare EIZO's ratings to any of the monitors you mentioned. Why? Because every other monitor maker you mentioned OVERINFLATES their specs. They do little things like give you the grey to grey response ratings, which complicates matters even further because no 2 companies use the same shades of gray for testing. EIZO uses the true response times, going from black to white. The full range, not just the little snippet that makes their specs appear ( <-- key word)the best.

For contrast ratios, most companies give the best contrast they achieve with certain settings, in ideal conditions, and with overdrive applied. EIZO gives the panel's native contrast ratio. This monitor should easily eclipse any monitor on the market claiming 3000:1 or better ratios, especially if said monitors are TN film. There will be no comparison, period.

The same as above can be said for brightness.

To give an example, this is my monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824255001

This is the monitor a very good friend of mine has: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236033

Despite the fact that the specs of his monitor are better than mine on paper, mine has darker blacks, brighter whites, the ability to produce more colors (and more accurately), doesn't suffer from as much picture noise (caused by heavy use of overdrive), and to top it all off, it ghosts waaaaaaaaayyyyy less than his. In short, it's superior to his in every way.

To sum this up, you absolutely CANNOT go by manufacturer specs with monitors for 99% of all companies out there. If the monitor you are looking at is TN film, it fails compared to this EIZO, period.
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#10
simlariver
To give an example, this is my monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824255001

This is the monitor a very good friend of mine has: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824255001
Wile E, you posted twice the same link.

I also have a Westinghouse L2410NM and it rock. It's so much better than my friend's Samsung 245BW, despite the higher price or specs. And the colours doesn't shift when you move your head ...

8-bit panels FTW !!!
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Wile E
Power User
by: simlariver
Wile E, you posted twice the same link.

I also have a Westinghouse L2410NM and it rock. It's so much better than my friend's Samsung 245BW, despite the higher price or specs. And the colours doesn't shift when you move your head ...

8-bit panels FTW !!!
Ooops, sorry. Here's my friends: ASUS MK241H

Also fixed original post.
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#12
Haytch
Wile E, my only question is, do you notice the ghosting on your monitor, or not ?
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Wile E
Power User
by: Haytch
Wile E, my only question is, do you notice the ghosting on your monitor, or not ?
Only if I am specifically looking for it. The Asus my friend has is noticeable without even trying.

But all LCD monitors ghost to some degree. It's just the nature of the technology.
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#14
Haytch
Is there a Monitor benchmarking tool ?
Ive arranged to see this monitor in real life at a store on the other side of town. I doubt ill be able to bench it, but ill deff ask. Now im all interested to see this monitor with my own eyes.
Im due for a new monitor, and i dont think this is the monitor for me, but im obviously missing something here aye.

So umm, benchmarking tool ?
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Wile E
Power User
by: Haytch
Is there a Monitor benchmarking tool ?
Ive arranged to see this monitor in real life at a store on the other side of town. I doubt ill be able to bench it, but ill deff ask. Now im all interested to see this monitor with my own eyes.
Im due for a new monitor, and i dont think this is the monitor for me, but im obviously missing something here aye.

So umm, benchmarking tool ?
None really. Unless you want to spend money. Just fire up something fast paced, like a game.
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