q4 08, so does this mean that these will be on the gt200b?

No, it means it's unwise choosing any current-gen GPU if you're an NVIDIA faithful. Furthermore, it affects the sales of RV770 (in a way) since it brings about a "collective-curiosity" about those GPU's. I guess NVIDIA has big plans for X-Mas '08. This could push some users to delay their graphics upgrade plans and avoid RV770 & Co. This is my personal take.

yup, nvidia is panicing and trying to keep with amd.. and this can be preety much an indication that they are acknowledging that R7 pwns the gtx2 core.

nvidia wanted to wait and see what the results were on the R48 line, since it performed so well, nvidia is implementing alot of the tech into their own chips, instead of innovating they are just copying to an extent, no offense to anyone but its truth.

No doubt about it. All the pissers and moaners about ATI this and ATI that are really taking this in now. AMD/ATI may not win performance crowns, but its nut kicking the shit out of Nvidia where it really hurts. Nvidia cant keep charging uber money for their gpus, no matter how good they are. I dont care what anyone on here says. Its just plain Ridiculous. Its just too bad ATI realized the hard way (that and they just cant touch Nvidia with performance right now, even I acknowledge that).

hmm G200b is just cheaper but it won't be more powerful and until Nvidia releases it... ATI will already have a new line of GPUs too lol... so 6 month without doing anything (except overclocking their G92) and dropping price won't be very competitive... well these are just my opinions..

Its about time that all these naysayers faced the music. The GTX280 is a big expensive flop. In a month's time they will be losing twice the money on the thing as they are now. In the meantime ATi is booming so NV has to go with what's working - but why in the hell are they waiting so long. They should trash that thing now & cut their losses. But they still choose the path of milking it with a smaller die. I want to see badly how NV will treat us to GDDR5 because this is the first time in a long time that I've completely skipped any of NV offerings in a series.

Q4 2008????

Nvidia will offer DirectX 10.1 support with its next-generation notebook GPUs that are scheduled for a spring 2009 release. http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38247/135/

the only mention to Q4 2008 is about GDDR5

Oh, and we almost forgot: Nvidia will also switch to GDDR5 memory, most likely within 2008. As GDDR5 chips are more available we expect first Nvidia GDDR5 cards to hit the market in Q4.

regards

LOL... I'm sorry, but Nvidia is just now getting around to DX10.1?...

10.1? Who cares, still haven't really seen major benefits from dx10. This doesn't make much difference except it suggests nvidia has some new cards on the way, although I thought they'd be here earlier.

There are benefits from DX 10.1, it fixes several issues with AA and increases its performance significantly.

by: btarunr

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There are benefits from DX 10.1, it fixes several issues with AA and increases its performance significantly.

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thats correct! regards

by: Ravenas

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LOL... I'm sorry, but Nvidia is just now getting around to DX10.1?...

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and ATI has done exactly what with DX 10.1 ? :) if games developers cant even make a decent DX10 game then i dont really see the point of it ,ATI may have jumped on the dx10.1 bandwagon early but it hasnt really done anything for any1 as yet. most ppl dont seem all that bothered about dx10 never mind dx10.1 if u have to peer at pictures to "try" and see a difference in screenshots of dx9 & dx10 then it obviously hasnt achieved much.

by: btarunr

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There are benefits from DX 10.1, it fixes several issues with AA and increases its performance significantly.

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I'm sure it does, and I'm sure there is, I'm saying there's no application for it yet, should be by then, but I don't really count nvidia as being behind or anything, there hasn't been any use for it yet. Dx10 hasn't really been used to it's potential yet, much less 10.1.

by: btarunr

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There are benefits from DX 10.1, it fixes several issues with AA and increases its performance significantly.

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Especially with Assassin's Creed, you can play that maxed out @ 1920x1200 on a 3870 :rolleyes:

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Q4 2008???? the only mention to Q4 2008 is about GDDR5 regards

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I can't write Gospels with the title, the "as early as" date is in the title, with details in the news post. You have notebook GPUs coming in Spring 2009.

by: panchoman

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yup, nvidia is panicing and trying to keep with amd.. and this can be preety much an indication that they are acknowledging that R7 pwns the gtx2 core.

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Yes, a company continuing to better their products is a sign that they acknowledge that the R7 pwns the GTX2 core. Or it could just be that they are continuing to better their products...:shadedshu ATi finally made a core that can match was nVidia has been putting out, good for them, but I don't think nVidia is really panicing about anything. Hell, they still have a G92 based card that outperforms the HD4870, and how old is the G92 core?

by: newtekie1

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Yes, a company continuing to better their products is a sign that they acknowledge that the R7 pwns the GTX2 core. Or it could just be that they are continuing to better their products...:shadedshu

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They have to or they will fall way back, possibly further than ATI during the 2900 line (ATI buyout was the main cause of non competition)

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I'm sure it does, and I'm sure there is, I'm saying there's no application for it yet, should be by then, but I don't really count nvidia as being behind or anything, there hasn't been any use for it yet. Dx10 hasn't really been used to it's potential yet, much less 10.1.

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The AA model of DirectX 10 is seriously flawed, and a major issue with this is fixed in 10.1, so you can throw DX10 out of the window right away since a succeeding DX revision (not to be confused with version (DX 9 -> 9.0c is a revision change, DX 9 -> 10 is a version change)) carries all the features of its predecessor. So there's no point in sticking to DX 10 when you get all its features plus several issues addressed with 10.1.

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and ATI has done exactly what with DX 10.1 ? :)

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they've gotten blizzard and valve to implement 10.1 into their upcoming games, and this is why nvidia is really trying to get 10.1 into their gpus now.

whats ironic is DX9C, despite being so old is continually being updated, the last update i seen was june 2008, and i say updating DX9C is a must for any avid gamer (adds additional files needed for games etc)

by: xubidoo

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and ATI has done exactly what with DX 10.1 ? :) if games developers cant even make a decent DX10 game then i dont really see the point of it ,ATI may have jumped on the dx10.1 bandwagon early but it hasnt really done anything for any1 as yet. most ppl dont seem all that bothered about dx10 never mind dx10.1 if u have to peer at pictures to "try" and see a difference in screenshots of dx9 & dx10 then it obviously hasnt achieved much.

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the issue so far hasn't been what ATI has been able to do with DX10.1, but the fact that no game developers wanted to support it because the biggest GPU market holder (nVidia) didn't support it; couple with the fact that neither did Intel, the market was against 10.1 from the start. nVidia did plan to support it at some point originally, they just downplayed 10.1 as being ""a minor extension of DirectX 10 that makes a few optional features in DirectX 10 mandatory," and didn't intend to offer supporting hardware until a while. Now that there's evidence that nVidia will back pedal their original statements on DX10.1, and move along quicker with it, I cna almost guarantee within the next year we'll start seeing more games utilizing it. My personal take is more that nVidia is concerned about losing game devloper support now that ATI is competitive performance wise on their level - ATI's hardware is looking more promising to devlopers, and their hardware is also cheaper (if they actually do have to purchase it). Only reason why I can see nVidia pushing 10.1 support along quicker.

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They have to or they will fall way back, possibly further than ATI during the 2900 line (ATI buyout was the main cause of non competition)

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I think they know the GT200 core was a flop. But it isn't like they have much to worry about. Like I said, they make a card based on the G92 core that outperforms the HD4870. The 9800GX2 still outperforms the HD4870. Which is a very impressive feat considering the G92 core came out a year ago. I'm not saying the 9800GX2 is a good buy right now, nVidia drastically needs to lower their prices across the board to stay competitive. They dropped the price of the 9800GTX $100 over night, they need to do the same with the 9800GX2, and they will be competitive price wise again. However, technology wise, they are still in decent shape, they just need to rely on older technology for a while. IMO, they sat on their hands way too much while they were in the lead, and wasted way to much time developing the insanely large GT200. They got to comfortable at the top, and it is nice to see ATi making a hardcore bid to take the top possition from them. I think they need to refine the GT200 core, and release a die shrunk reworked core, that is slightly less complicated, but still packs one hell of a punch. Just like they did with the G80 to G92.

lol, the article says 1.5 to 2 times faster than the current gen, which is bull, so you are telling me that nvidia is going to make a chip twice as fast as gtx 280 within 6 months time frame, this is just marketing from nvidia, they probably want people to just buy their 9800gtx+ instead of having to lower the price on the gtx series and take a loss on it, until they have the 55nm shrink, or better 45nm shrink because gtx 280 is too damn big of a chip even for 55nm and would still be bigger than the 55nm rv770. as much as I have bought nvidia over the last 2 years they continue to dissappoint me with their high prices.

i know you mean no harm but please don't try to start a conflict with the others here ok.

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lol, the article says 1.5 to 2 times faster than the current gen, which is bull, so you are telling me that nvidia is going to make a chip twice as fast as gtx 280 within 6 months time frame, this is just marketing from nvidia, they probably want people to just buy their 9800gtx+ instead of having to lower the price on the gtx series and take a loss on it, until they have the 55nm shrink, or better 45nm shrink because gtx 280 is too damn big of a chip even for 55nm and would still be bigger than the 55nm rv770. as much as I have bought nvidia over the last 2 years they continue to dissappoint me with their high prices.

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