Tuesday, July 8th 2008

New Intel Wolfdale Derivative Overclocks Like Dream

Chinese website Coolaler.com has access to an engineering sample of the upcoming Intel Pentium Dual-Core E5200 processor. This processor is based on the 45nm Wolfdale core and features a total of 2 MB L2 cache. It has a default 200 MHz FSB and 12.5 x FSB multiplier and clock-speed of 2.50 GHz. Owing to this high multiplier and the Wolfdale design, this chip facilitates high overclocks, Coolaler.com has been able to take this chip to 4.00 GHz core with a FSB of 320 MHz and Vcore of 1.384 V. More than impressive for a budget processor.

Source: Coolaler
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45 Comments on New Intel Wolfdale Derivative Overclocks Like Dream

#1
calvary1980
I assume these are going to replace the 4xxx allendales or the 2xxx unless they plan a 3xxx series. nice budget overclockers :)

- Christine
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#2
btarunr
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Any guesses on this thing's price?
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#3
farlex85
Pretty nice, where's the new high end, keep waiting for the e8600 and q9650.......
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#4
calvary1980
if the E7200 is $130 this e5xxx is probably going to be under a $100.

- Christine
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#5
farlex85
by: btarunr
Any guesses on this thing's price?
I'd say right around $100. Give or take $15.
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#6
calvary1980
look at the multiplier and the voltage only 1.3v lol forget the older wolfdales.

- Christine
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#7
btarunr
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Awesome price. With P35 boards getting cheaper, this makes for a superb $200 pair (P35 + E5200).
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#8
Xazax
by: calvary1980
look at the multiplier and the voltage only 1.3v lol forget the older wolfdales.

- Christine
My E8400 can do 1.36v 4.0Ghz thats not special.

The price however might be the real sweet part, and with 2MB its not as limited as the E2000 series
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#9
calvary1980
this thing has a 12.5x multiplier, cache isn't important in games.

just looked up in wiki apparently the e5200 has a MSRP of $84 usd.

- Christine
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#10
Xazax
Cache IS important in games it just that 2mb wont be THAT limiting, but the more cache the better.

this is going to be the new E2200! and with such a low FSB many more cheaper motherboards can handle it.
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#11
Mussels
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cache does help games, but 2MB isnt as low as the 512K in some models, so its not that bad. the higher clocks will make up for it.

at that price, i almost want one...
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#12
calvary1980
I said it wasn't important. it's only a couple frames from 1mb-6mb. cache is way more useful in desktop applications.

- Christine
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#13
Mussels
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by: calvary1980
I said it wasn't important. it's only a couple frames from 1mb-6mb. cache is way more useful in desktop applications.

- Christine
the most severe example i know is from supreme commander (it shows up CPU and ram speed pretty much perfectly, even if it is an extreme example) and the difference is about 20% at most going from an E2160 to my Q6600 (8Mb) at the same clocks. Since these biatches have 2MB, and clock really high... they'll be unbeatable in that price range. That multiplier is nuts!
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Mussels
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by: Xazax
Read this older review from legionhardware..

http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=651&p=3

The difference between 512kb and 4mb is ALOT but the difference between 2mb and 4mb like Calvary said, is only a few FPS.
i agree. i was stating that a 512KB to a 8MB was around 20%, so if you've got 4x that amount of cache the performance isnt going to be that large... especially not with a MHz advantage.
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#16
btarunr
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I'm sure there's a E5400 in the pipeline too. 13x ?

The ultimate in the E8000 series could be the 333 x 12 ? = 4.00 GHz. Then I guess Intel will jump to 1600 FSB and lop the multipler and we have E8x50 series?

There already is a Wolfdale 1600 Xeon sold in the market for...ehm...~$1200.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117164
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#17
Tatty_One
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But with the Wolfdale's in particular, wont just 2mb L2 seriously stifle performance, I seem to recall reading that just the extra 2mb L2 on the dual core wolfie's on the E8400 and E8500 made them 15% faster than an equally clocked 4MB chip let alone just 2mb, you would probably need to attain like 400mhz+ in core speed on the 2mb just to match the current wolfie's????
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#18
Mussels
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by: Tatty_One
But with the Wolfdale's in particular, wont just 2mb L2 seriously stifle performance, I seem to recall reading that just the extra 2mb L2 on the dual core wolfie's on the E8400 and E8500 made them 15% faster than an equally clocked 4MB chip let alone just 2mb, you would probably need to attain like 400mhz+ in core speed on the 2mb just to match the current wolfie's????
10-15% is likely, but hey... clock it 15% higher :D

this chips meant to be under $100 USD, for a 4GHz 2MB CPU. price to performance, you cant really find better on the market today (especially since it doesnt even need 333 FSB to do that)
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#19
calvary1980
it's easy to compare unforgiving engines like the Moho engine (SupCom) or the Reality engine (X3) but generally speaking cache isn't that important in gaming. Wolfdale have more going for them than cache compared to Conroe. 45nm fabrication, new microarchitecture, new instruction set, etc.

- Christine
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#20
Mussels
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by: calvary1980
it's easy to compare unforgiving engines like the Moho engine (SupCom)
more like mofo, lol.

Anyway i'm actually agreeing with you. the most SEVERE performance difference is about 15%, in a worst case scenario.
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#21
tkpenalty
Review samples are usually better overclocking than retail products..
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#22
JrRacinFan
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by: tkpenalty
Review samples are usually better overclocking than retail products..
Exactly! This may be able to hit 4Ghz but it would have to be a higher fsb/lower multi combination. Possibly 10x400. For an MSRP of $84 it sure looks like a good buy.

To be honest, this does have a spot in the intel line-up. Phase out e1X's, bump the e2x's to budget.

You guys would be surprised but the cache is limiting but not as much as you would think. When gaming if at hi-res 1440x900 and above, only about a 7%-9% difference. Which equates to what, about 5-7fps drop?
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#23
smartali89
where do they get engineering samples? Can I have one? :P
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#24
Mussels
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by: smartali89
where do they get engineering samples? Can I have one? :P
jokingly: yes you can. fax me a cookie and we'll discuss this.

seriously: you need to work for a huge ass website with tons of media pull, and then suck up really, really hard to (insert company here) to get one of their products.
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#25
smartali89
Whats your fax number :P


Ok I will try ... I am trying to make such a big website .... click my sig
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