| Wednesday, July 16 2008 |
Class actions charged against NVIDIA and ATI (now AMD) reveal that the two companies may have staged a competition over the past half-a-decade or so. A judge read out an email which suggested price fixing was rife in the graphics card market. That follows a class action of 51 different plaintiffs, now combined into one, and across different legal jurisdictions, alleging cartel behaviour not only in graphics chips, but flat panels and CRTs too.
In other words, NVIDIA and ATI may have been fixing prices of their products for a while now, it is believed that they held secret meetings to discuss staged competition, chart out prices, timings of product launches among other things. These pseudo-competitions staged provided improved sales among other things. A PDF File available to us at this point shows that the two indulged in conspiracy to mutually benefit from staged competition, so as to:
Of course, the latest price-cut of NVIDIA GeForce GTX 200 series products doesn't seem to have been taken into account, the price spread between NVIDIA and ATI with their highest-offerings is zero.
Sources: IT Examiner, Law.com
In other words, NVIDIA and ATI may have been fixing prices of their products for a while now, it is believed that they held secret meetings to discuss staged competition, chart out prices, timings of product launches among other things. These pseudo-competitions staged provided improved sales among other things. A PDF File available to us at this point shows that the two indulged in conspiracy to mutually benefit from staged competition, so as to:
- Fix, stabilize, and maintain prices of products in the US Market.
- Artificial inflation of product prices.
Of course, the latest price-cut of NVIDIA GeForce GTX 200 series products doesn't seem to have been taken into account, the price spread between NVIDIA and ATI with their highest-offerings is zero.
Sources: IT Examiner, Law.com
User comments
so when will we actually see the results of this lawsuit? and who will benefit? (seeing as how its class action, I think everyone who bought an ati or nvidia card within the last few years should see something)
anyone else notice how ATi's price's started to come down after the merger with AMD?
I wonder why ;)
maybe AMD has some (key word = some) morals
And here I thought AMD had to price low to offer their cards. Now it seems they lost thetop end and couldnt sustain the 500-600 dollar cards. All them pc magazines calling them Value. Good thing I never bought a card during that craze :D
this is a pointless debate. even if it happened there is nothing we can do now every company wants a high bottom line and considering the hole both companies are in i tihnk that this is stupid the last thing either company needs is a freaking lawsuit...time to watch there stocks tank again.
by: cdawallAlready sold mine, I don't feel like losing another $3 grand :rolleyes:
this is a pointless debate. even if it happened there is nothing we can do now every company wants a high bottom line and considering the hole both companies are in i tihnk that this is stupid the last thing either company needs is a freaking lawsuit...time to watch there stocks tank again.
by: Tatty_One
I have always been convinced that in these days of 2 main CPU players and just 2 main Gfx players, one person owns all 4(3) companies and is just playing games with us all :D
Where is Bill Gates !%&%$@
ROFL
Doesn't suprise me. Wonder if Intels behind it. Or if someone is looking for a payout. The timing on both companies right now couldn't be better for that . . .
If anyone is honestly surprised by this they need to think a minute.
Good reason why I have slowed my video card buying and deffinetely not buying the top tier.
Good reason why I have slowed my video card buying and deffinetely not buying the top tier.
by: Apocolypse007There will most likely be very little restitution for us.. Forms, confusion, and waiting for months as it's slowly mail out.. But with something like this that isn't the main point.. Stopping it is more important to all of us..
so when will we actually see the results of this lawsuit? and who will benefit? (seeing as how its class action, I think everyone who bought an ati or nvidia card within the last few years should see something)
The first I heard of this was just a few years ago.. Right after that, AMD grabbed up ATI.. From there on ATI's prices seemed to get lower little by little.. Of course the 38xx line and now the 48xx line has really changed things.. Perhaps AMD stopped this when the took over ATI, and the 38xx line was the first real sign of it.. They knew this was coming..
Now Nv drops its prices just days before this yet weeks after the 48xx is released..
Hmmmm..
by: newtekie1lol no kidding ati and nvidia do it and it's a whole legal issue, oil companies do it daily and it's "capitalism"
Yeah, this isn't really a big surprise. It isn't hard for two companies to come together and say "Hey, we will both make a killing if we both agree to charge outragous prices for our graphics cards". Unfortunately, doing that is illegal, unless you're the oil companies.
this doesn't suprise me at all especially being that the x800/6800-7950/x1950's had almost identical pricing schemes. seemed too coincidental to me.
by: spectre440me too...
me too...
this sucks...
I divined that the world has become a so "strange" place in last years and is on the slope of destruction... :laugh:
Class action lawsuits are such shit. Only a communist would come up with such a thing. A corrupt lawyer makes millions upon millions while the victims receive a dollar or two. This is prob bogus anyway.
Kind of sad that a lot of people see oil as the only artificially inflated industry... The tech industry is just as bad, and in some cases worse. It's a good thing this Nvidia & ATI duopoly was brought up because it may help some people "Open their eyes."
what are you all complaining about? in the past 5 years we have seen unprecedented growth in the graphics card market.
That was a /yawn interesting read. The only thing I really learned was how little they were making. I didn't think the market was that self destructive. Neither company making hardly any profit or both taking losses?
well, odd thing is, as much as it's rather apparent looking back (more noticeably how the relations between the two went uber sour after AMD took over ATI);
even if this class action lawsuit did prove it's case - how could AMD be held responsible?
ATI, maybe, as they're still partly seperate, but now under "new management" so-to-speak.
either way, we can't really jump to conclusions until we see the results of the lawsuit as well, and whatever evidence is turned up
even if this class action lawsuit did prove it's case - how could AMD be held responsible?
ATI, maybe, as they're still partly seperate, but now under "new management" so-to-speak.
either way, we can't really jump to conclusions until we see the results of the lawsuit as well, and whatever evidence is turned up
by: imperialreign
well, odd thing is, as much as it's rather apparent looking back (more noticeably how the relations between the two went uber sour after AMD took over ATI);
even if this class action lawsuit did prove it's case - how could AMD be held responsible?
ATI, maybe, as they're still partly seperate, but now under "new management" so-to-speak.
either way, we can't really jump to conclusions until we see the results of the lawsuit as well, and whatever evidence is turned up
True and it sounds like if true there's been lots of time to "file" the evidence. Probably ever since AMD took ATI. So truth may not matter if there isn't enough proof anyway. At the least it should make the two companies more wary in the future.
good god ,when the 6800 series came out what kind of money did they make on that ?
by: VertolAnd the price of an 8800GTX on release :eek:
good god ,when the 6800 series came out what kind of money did they make on that ?
by: VertolI payed $350 for my 6800GT and $400 for an athlon 64 3500.
good god ,when the 6800 series came out what kind of money did they make on that ?
But if you remember, it was well justified by demand and performance. Nothing could touch them.
That 8800GTX-Ultra BS was the most expensive duo period. Up until then, there was the $500-600 6800Ultra & 7900GTX. The x800-x1900 joined that bull range as well. Then AMD took over ATI. By that time, NV had the 8800GTX in the works. AMD turning over the 2900XT was a huge mistake because that just continued the conspiracy - although they probably unknowingly did it, the darn thing was still an overpriced POS worth only half of its tag.
I don't even know what to call the 8800GTX-U. Sure it was the best, but that price, geez - the price of that thing is the main reason we're seeing this lawsuit mess. The history behind it just drag both companies into the ground.
I don't even know what to call the 8800GTX-U. Sure it was the best, but that price, geez - the price of that thing is the main reason we're seeing this lawsuit mess. The history behind it just drag both companies into the ground.
by: Megasty
That 8800GTX-Ultra BS was the most expensive duo period. Up until then, there was the $500-600 6800Ultra & 7900GTX. The x800-x1900 joined that bull range as well. Then AMD took over ATI. By that time, NV had the 8800GTX in the works. AMD turning over the 2900XT was a huge mistake because that just continued the conspiracy - although they probably unknowingly did it, the darn thing was still an overpriced POS worth only half of its tag.
I don't even know what to call the 8800GTX-U. Sure it was the best, but that price, geez - the price of that thing is the main reason we're seeing this lawsuit mess. The history behind it just drag both companies into the ground.
The Ultras were insanely priced, without a doubt.
ATI have been running with the "no more than $500" market for a while now, at least, IIRC, since the 1950XTX . . .
although . . . anyone remember when ATI were selling 1900 series "crossfire" packages to hold out the upper-end? Two 1900 series cards sold together in a bundle . . .
by: imperialreignYeah, my brother bought them - one of them burned up & no more CF :(
The Ultras were insanely priced, without a doubt.
ATI have been running with the "no more than $500" market for a while now, at least, IIRC, since the 1950XTX . . .
although . . . anyone remember when ATI were selling 1900 series "crossfire" packages to hold out the upper-end? Two 1900 series cards sold together in a bundle . . .
It was so hot it burned a hole in the snow when I threw it out the window :roll:
Then he bought 2 9800GTXs, yeah that's just how long he had them :shadedshu
by: FreedomEclipseHell Beyond Matrix, Call in Via and PowerVR(NEC)
someone call up matrox & tell them how much the enthusiast market is missing them. Matrox have long since confined themselves to a box we call 'industry' - they need to take up arms & come out with a pincer move against ATi/Nv to show the world their absence has not been for nothing....
either that or one of the 3rd party companies like HiS & XFX, GeCube etc etc need to step out & start makin their own graphics cards.....