Friday, August 15th 2008

Engineering Windows 7 MSDN Blog Surfaces

Microsoft has launched an MSDN Blog for the Engineering of Windows 7, dubbed E7 for short. The blog, hosted by two Windows 7 senior engineering managers, is aimed to inform "...enthusiasts, bloggers, and those that are the most passionate about Windows... what’s in store for the next major release of Windows."

You can check out the blog here
We strongly believe that success for Windows 7 includes an open and honest, and two-way, discussion about how we balance all of these interests and deliver software on the scale of Windows. We promise and will deliver such a dialog with this blog.

We, as a team, definitely learned some lessons about “disclosure” and how we can all too easily get ahead of ourselves in talking about features before our understanding of them is solid. Our intent with Windows 7 and the pre-release communication is to make sure that we have a reasonable degree of confidence in what we talk about when we do talk. Again, top of mind for us is the responsibility we feel to make sure we are not stressing priorities, churning resource allocations, or causing strategic confusion among the tens of thousands of partners and customers who care deeply and have much invested in the evolution of Windows.
Windows 7 is currently scheduled for release in 2010 based on information which we covered hereSource: Engineering Windows 7
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34 Comments on Engineering Windows 7 MSDN Blog Surfaces

#2
FreedomEclipse
Crazy Dogmatic Bullsh!t!
sorry i saw
"most passionate about Windows"
^ this & i had to laugh....

I apologise to all those who think Windows is 'teh sex' I will now continue sticking my penis in an automated pencil sharpener......
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#3
Weer
It's taken them 6 years to create Windows Vista and make it backwards compatible with all other Windows versions. How can they add another name to the compatibility list and actually make an allegedly better (since it's a replacement for Vista) in half that time?
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#4
Weer
by: FreedomEclipse
sorry i saw




^ this & i had to laugh....

I apologise to all those who think Windows is 'teh sex' I will now continue sticking my penis in an automated pencil sharpener......
I take it you prefer the "competition" (if they can even be called that) because your experience with Windows has not been too proficiant in overcoming certain issues. In that case.. please have someone qualified install it for you. ;)
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#5
FreedomEclipse
Crazy Dogmatic Bullsh!t!
by: Weer
I take it you prefer the "competition" (if they can even be called that) because your experience with Windows has not been too proficiant in overcoming certain issues. In that case.. please have someone qualified install it for you. ;)
not at all!! infact all ive ever really used is windows - I have dabbled in other O/S's but windows XP Pro has always been the one i stick to. & as for qualifications. please dont start :)

LvL3 GNVQ in IT/Hardware Support
Lvl4 Advanced Diploma for IT Practitioners/IT support
HND IT/Telecomms eingineering/Support
with some added on & off self employment for a number of small private companies & clients.

the rest is work in progress

Please note that i did not 'LOLs' in an offensive manner so please keep your ego stroking & intelligent remarks to yourself :)
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#6
Darkrealms
by: FreedomEclipse
not at all!! infact all ive ever really used is windows - I have dabbled in other O/S's but windows XP Pro has always been the one i stick to. & as for qualifications. please dont start :)

LvL3 GNVQ in IT/Hardware Support
Lvl4 Advanced Diploma for IT Practitioners/IT support
HND IT/Telecomms eingineering/Support
with some added on & off self employment for a number of small private companies & clients.

the rest is work in progress

Please note that i did not 'LOLs' in an offensive manner so please keep your ego stroking & intelligent remarks to yourself :)
I actually have to agree. Even though Windows dominates the market that does not make it better. There are other products out there that are smaller, more efficient, etc, etc, etc.


If MS is actually willing to listen to the people they are making this available for then Perhaps the next version of Windows will be worth it (off the bat not after multiple service packs).
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#7
EastCoasthandle
I am beginning to wonder if Win7 is nothing more then Fiji and not blackcomb/vienna.

Fiji is just a derivative (branch) of Vista using some sort of Media Center theme
Blackcomb/vienna in a nutshell is nothing like Vista and, MS next gen OS.
Time will tell.
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#8
FreedomEclipse
Crazy Dogmatic Bullsh!t!
since there are so many O/S's to pick & choose from - one would be wise to keep an open mind but i guess its the same as everything else - no matter how much the majority community will detest something - there will always be a small minority otherwise know as 'Fanboys/Fan girls' & others that will sing its praises despite its epic downfalls.

if u like it then good for you - dont try to force your ideals on others who are also entitled to their own opinions, choose not to follow the crowd & join with its sheepish mentality.


(Note how i did not mention ANY names in this post.....)
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#9
mdm-adph
by: Weer
It's taken them 6 years to create Windows Vista and make it backwards compatible with all other Windows versions.
Yeah, I thought one of the biggest problems with vista was exactly its incompatibility with other versions of Windows... :confused:

Doesn't matter if Vista's code quality is even directly the fault -- if customers have to upgrade all their apps (or buy completely new versions, or worse -- their apps will no longer work), then Vista's not going to do well. Just look at Intel's refusal to use it internally within their company.
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#10
Easy Rhino
Linux Advocate
microsoft is just waiting to see what mac os 11 looks like so they can steal some ideas. :slap:
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#11
eidairaman1
i guess microsoft internally thought vista was gonna suck so they are releasing something not even 7 years down the line. So much for the RCs and Betas which were better than the final Product :shadedshu
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#12
AddSub
They can't screw up with Windows 7, even if they try. Vista makes that possible. All they have to do is revise the WDDM for performance 3D/gaming purposes and streamline the kernel from the accessibility and security perspective and it will be a winner. I can imagine it will be on par with Windows XP on the performance level.

This relatively early introduction can't have a positive effect on Vista adoption rates right now. Many people who are thinking about getting Vista will just decide to wait another year or so, since you can expect Windows 7 betas to start coming out as soon as next year.

Which begs the question: what will the 10% to 15% of people who will be running Vista at the time do? Be pissed I imagine, since here they will have an OS that might be as fast or even faster than Windows XP, yet with more features than Vista. Yet, they spent years fiddling and tweaking Vista, installing large software libraries of applications and games only to abandon them and have to reinstall them onto a new OS. (Yeah, I bet you can upgrade from Vista to Win7, but who would want to do that? Clean install = smoother.)
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#13
lemonadesoda
I have to say that MS has failed with this blogging initiative. We all know from previous "design specs" that the final product often falls short. It's not that the final product isnt good, just that what is presented in advance and what is delivered are two difference things.

And I dont want to listen to corporate PR spin.
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#14
PP Mguire
I believe this is just another OS that will force you to buy the new DX (11). I dont think this is Vienna but hey could be terribly wrong (Hope i am).
It's taken them 6 years to create Windows Vista and make it backwards compatible with all other Windows versions.
If this really isnt a rehash then i believe its because they have been developing Vienna this whole time and gave Vista as a teaser. Its like the ME to XP. Then again it could just be M$ releasing crap again.
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#15
Darkrealms
by: AddSub
They can't screw up with Windows 7, even if they try. Vista makes that possible. All they have to do is revise the WDDM for performance 3D/gaming purposes and streamline the kernel from the accessibility and security perspective and it will be a winner. I can imagine it will be on par with Windows XP on the performance level.

This relatively early introduction can't have a positive effect on Vista adoption rates right now. Many people who are thinking about getting Vista will just decide to wait another year or so, since you can expect Windows 7 betas to start coming out as soon as next year.

Which begs the question: what will the 10% to 15% of people who will be running Vista at the time do? Be pissed I imagine, since here they will have an OS that might be as fast or even faster than Windows XP, yet with more features than Vista. Yet, they spent years fiddling and tweaking Vista, installing large software libraries of applications and games only to abandon them and have to reinstall them onto a new OS. (Yeah, I bet you can upgrade from Vista to Win7, but who would want to do that? Clean install = smoother.)
LoL, Oh I'd bet they can screw it up. Lets just hope they don't.

That 10%-15% probably won't even know, at least most of them. I still run across people using ME and they just don't know any better.
Definately a clean install : )
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#16
candle_86
by: Weer
It's taken them 6 years to create Windows Vista and make it backwards compatible with all other Windows versions. How can they add another name to the compatibility list and actually make an allegedly better (since it's a replacement for Vista) in half that time?
easy Windows 7 has been in progress since 2002 actully. Vista had to come out, it wasn't even planned till 2005. Before 2005 project Longhorn didn't exist, project Blackcomb did, Blackcomb was turned into Vienna and Vienna became Windows 7. Vista borrowed the Kernal from Blackcomb and got it working along with many features of Blackcomb but lacks alot of the planned ones. They did this because Windows XP SP2 slowed them down and they realized Blackcomb wouldn't be ready in time, so work switched to getting Vista out so consumers would have something.
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#17
candle_86
by: PP Mguire
I believe this is just another OS that will force you to buy the new DX (11). I dont think this is Vienna but hey could be terribly wrong (Hope i am).

If this really isnt a rehash then i believe its because they have been developing Vienna this whole time and gave Vista as a teaser. Its like the ME to XP. Then again it could just be M$ releasing crap again.
Me was a forced hand like Vista, 2000 was supposed to do what XP did, but at the time 2000 was to resouce needed for most desktops, and MS needed a product out so that users wouldn't move away, similar to the reasons of Vista. In truth neither are bad products I enjoy ME actully, its a great OS if you know what your doing just like Vista
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#18
PP Mguire
Vista is easy to work with but ME was just crap imo.
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#19
ShadowFold
by: PP Mguire
I believe this is just another OS that will force you to buy the new DX (11). I dont think this is Vienna but hey could be terribly wrong (Hope i am).

If this really isnt a rehash then i believe its because they have been developing Vienna this whole time and gave Vista as a teaser. Its like the ME to XP. Then again it could just be M$ releasing crap again.
DX11 will work on Vista
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#20
PP Mguire
Do we have confirmed proof of this? Back in the day word was that DX10 would be an availible upgrade to XP like DX9.
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#21
candle_86
by: PP Mguire
Vista is easy to work with but ME was just crap imo.
no Me was a fine OS. Some rules to follow. Don't use vxd drivers, they are known to cause problems with Me, they where made for 95 and 98. 98SE and Me need WDM drivers though alot of manufactures didn't bother to do that. Do not use 16bit code in Me, the 16bit layer is there but vastly disabled, this caused alot of crash's becauase the OS supports 16bit but it can not run it properly because the DOS layer is disabled most of the way. Use ME with drivers written in WDM and avoid apps that have 16bit code in them, and Me is just as stable as 98 which IMO isnt that stable either.
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#22
ShadowFold
by: PP Mguire
Do we have confirmed proof of this? Back in the day word was that DX10 would be an availible upgrade to XP like DX9.
Yea MS said it themselves back when they said GFW was free(and it is)
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#23
PP Mguire
Lol they said the same thing back then and here we are forced to buy Vista for DX10. Ill believe it when i see it ;)
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#25
Wshlist
MS should not announce new OS's more than a week before release, that way people can at least excuse them by saying 'well it's a bit lousy, but what can you expect from something made in a week or so'.
Because although all the claims about vista's developing time are clearly nonsensical they did have more than a year to turn out that lemon, and more than a year to decide to NOT release it, or ask no more than $30 for 'ultimate' at least to be honest and realistic and decent about it, so letting us know that they had all that time is only embarrassing for them.
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