| Wednesday, August 27 2008 |
The transition of the K10 architecture by AMD to the 45nm silicon fabrication process is stirring up interesting revelations these days. First, it was about surprisingly low power consumption of the quad-core Phenom parts, and then about the overclocking headroom those 45nm parts provided, at least the engineering samples did so far. And now, news coming in that AMD could be resurrecting the "FX" series of extreme performance products. Over the past three or so years, the performance trail AMD products had over Intel's made it close to impossible for AMD to sell parts that provide performance tuning advantages such as unlocked FSB multiplier settings for a premium, like it did back when K8 reigned the performance segment. "Black Edition" chips made up for that deficit by providing consumers overclocking advantages while not charging a significant premium and at the same time, safeguarding the "FX" title, not letting it dilute.
Come AMD Deneb core and lot seems to be on offer. To begin with, unlike the Windsor core that had a maximum FSB multiplier of 16.0x, initial reports suggest the Deneb to sport a maximum 25.0x multiplier, 200 MHz x 25 = 5.00 GHz, with the FSB left to play with. Considering at 2.30 GHz the Deneb draws in 57.3 W (according to findings), it should still leave enough room for AMD to sell premium products clocked at high frequencies.
From Reviewage's findings, there seem to be two Phenom FX processors in the making. The numbering seems to take off where it last left at the Athlon64 FX 74. The two chips, Phenom FX 80 and Phenom FX 82 could be clocked at 4.00 GHz and 4.40 GHz respectively (stock speeds). An interesting statement is that at 4.00 GHz, the Phenom FX 80 should outperform an Intel Kentsfield core clocked at 5.00 GHz, implies it has to be faster than the Kentsfield on a clock-to-clock basis. This opens up an interesting debate on how these parts compare to the succeeding Yorkfield chips. This should also open gates for several models to enter the market at various clock speeds.
Source: Reviewage
Come AMD Deneb core and lot seems to be on offer. To begin with, unlike the Windsor core that had a maximum FSB multiplier of 16.0x, initial reports suggest the Deneb to sport a maximum 25.0x multiplier, 200 MHz x 25 = 5.00 GHz, with the FSB left to play with. Considering at 2.30 GHz the Deneb draws in 57.3 W (according to findings), it should still leave enough room for AMD to sell premium products clocked at high frequencies.
From Reviewage's findings, there seem to be two Phenom FX processors in the making. The numbering seems to take off where it last left at the Athlon64 FX 74. The two chips, Phenom FX 80 and Phenom FX 82 could be clocked at 4.00 GHz and 4.40 GHz respectively (stock speeds). An interesting statement is that at 4.00 GHz, the Phenom FX 80 should outperform an Intel Kentsfield core clocked at 5.00 GHz, implies it has to be faster than the Kentsfield on a clock-to-clock basis. This opens up an interesting debate on how these parts compare to the succeeding Yorkfield chips. This should also open gates for several models to enter the market at various clock speeds.
Source: Reviewage
User comments
Server parts should come out just before years end, but desktop parts will have to wait. Hasn't that been the consensus for a while now?
by: TheGuruStudweren't the phenoms (agena) slated to come out the january of 2008...but in actuality they came out in late nov early dec of last year...what makes us think that amd wont pull the same thing...the 4800s were suppose to come out later than they actually did...didn't they?
Server parts should come out just before years end, but desktop parts will have to wait. Hasn't that been the consensus for a while now?
don't you guys think that this is exactly what amd wants...the animosity/intensity in the way we are all talking about its products that we really haven't no clue about....
ALL THIS JUST MEANS 1 THING....THE BUZZ ABOUT AMD IS BACK....HOPEFULLY FOR GOOD THIS TIME...
no 4.4 then?
nah 4.4 is to low, i heard 16.6ghz 2nm phenom
by: springs113This is a little different. It's mostly just a shrink and they've had ES for a while now. It's getting closer and closer and AMD keeps saying it's on tack as per the time line I said. Plus, AMD literally and figuratively can't afford deneb to be any later than it already is (and of course they know this, you can bet they're working really long days).
weren't the phenoms (agena) slated to come out the january of 2008...but in actuality they came out in late nov early dec of last year...what makes us think that amd wont pull the same thing...the 4800s were suppose to come out later than they actually did...didn't they?
don't you guys think that this is exactly what amd wants...the animosity/intensity in the way we are all talking about its products that we really haven't no clue about....
ALL THIS JUST MEANS 1 THING....THE BUZZ ABOUT AMD IS BACK....HOPEFULLY FOR GOOD THIS TIME...
Well lets see. If a QX9770 can run at over 3GHz stock and overclock to over 5GHz, then why isn't it possible for a processor to meet somewhere in the middle, around 4GHz, say.? I mean, come on, an E8500 can run at 4.5GHz with a damn Zalman 9700, and Intels tend to run hotter than AMD anyways, so why is it impossible to have a 45nm AMD run at 4.0, when the current ones can run at 3.6 and on a 65nm die?????????
EDIT: Also, if AMD can release a 3.2GHz 90nm processor, an extra 800MHz, and a die shrink of 50% is definately possible seeing how TDP will be cut in half.
EDIT: Also, if AMD can release a 3.2GHz 90nm processor, an extra 800MHz, and a die shrink of 50% is definately possible seeing how TDP will be cut in half.
Guru...thats my point....i really do believe that these will come out b4 its time
by: springs113Oh, I thought you meant that they'll get delayed (which is the norm) :confused:
Guru...thats my point....i really do believe that these will come out b4 its time
A 4.0-4.4GHz Phenom FX? I want to say "Bull****" but I will wait till the Phenom FX is released.
the notorious paper trail....I hope the hell this is true.
If not I will be buying Intel for the remainder of my cursed life...lol
If not I will be buying Intel for the remainder of my cursed life...lol
by: BvB123
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AMD’s First 45nm Desktop Microprocessors Set to Arrive on the 8th of January, 2009.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20080828043213_AMD_s_First_45nm_Desktop_Microprocessors_Set_to_Arrive_on_the_8th_of_January_2009.html
It still doesn't tell anything about FX ? It's merely about AMD's 45nm lineup that arrives, not the entire lineup. I hope you do understand what binning is.
That seems like a rather huge jump for AMD. Once again like a lot of these articles, I'll believe it when I see it. I hope it's true for AMD's sake since [deity] knows I love 'em. Gonna have to pick myself up a Deneb when they come out for sure!
by: Bluefox1115
Well lets see. If a QX9770 can run at over 3GHz stock and overclock to over 5GHz, then why isn't it possible for a processor to meet somewhere in the middle, around 4GHz, say.? I mean, come on, an E8500 can run at 4.5GHz with a damn Zalman 9700, and Intels tend to run hotter than AMD anyways, so why is it impossible to have a 45nm AMD run at 4.0, when the current ones can run at 3.6 and on a 65nm die?????????
EDIT: Also, if AMD can release a 3.2GHz 90nm processor, an extra 800MHz, and a die shrink of 50% is definately possible seeing how TDP will be cut in half.
Considering the 3Ghz 45nm Phenom is slated to consume 125W according the xbit link posted by bvb123 above, there is no way Deneb is gonna stock at 4GHz, unless they want it to draw 200+W.
And sorry, but the current phenoms are hotter running than the Intel Quads.
it's all a marketing scheme.... ya watch.... AMd brings out a 4-4.5 quad and intel will bump there cpu also.... at least the amd is a true 4 pipe cpu.... i seen on a few web sites amd @ 4ghz clock for clock beats intel.... sh!t cant wait!!!... i run 3ghz against an intel 3gz settup using the same setup and gpu, it takes the intel 3.6 to take the led in any bench... and it's not by that much!!:eek:....
by: fullinfusion
it's all a marketing scheme.... ya watch.... AMd brings out a 4-4.5 quad and intel will bump there cpu also.... at least the amd is a true 4 pipe cpu.... i seen on a few web sites amd @ 4ghz clock for clock beats intel.... sh!t cant wait!!!... i run 3ghz against an intel 3gz settup using the same setup and gpu, it takes the intel 3.6 to take the led in any bench... and it's not by that much!!:eek:....
Bullshit. I am officially calling you out. Your cpu at 3Ghz is not as fast as mine at the majority of everything.
You have a better gpu, so graphical benches are out. But feel free to pick cpu benches.
by: Wile E
Considering the 3Ghz 45nm Phenom is slated to consume 125W according the xbit link posted by bvb123 above, there is no way Deneb is gonna stock at 4GHz, unless they want it to draw 200+W.
And sorry, but the current phenoms are hotter running than the Intel Quads.
well depends on the site you check out.... i see it runs @ less than 1.20v.... so if ppl cant afford the hydro bill every month.... than i say........ well..... oh well! im running my Phenom 9850 @ 3.5GHz @ 1.40v.... temp is 37c.... load hit's mid 40's....:D
by: fullinfusion
well depends on the site you check out.... i see it runs @ less than 1.20v.... so if ppl cant afford the hydro bill every month.... than i say........ well..... oh well! im running my Phenom 9850 @ 3.5GHz @ 1.40v.... temp is 37c.... load hit's mid 40's....:D
ok this is 3.000000Ghz on the core..... gpu @ 835 and memory @ 955..... so here take a look....
im just showing what i get.... no Bullshit..
by: fullinfusionThat's a graphics bench, and you have a faster video card than me, so we can't compare 3DMark, unless it's only the cpu tests.
ok this is 3.000000Ghz on the core..... gpu @ 835 and memory @ 955..... so here take a look....
im just showing what i get.... no Bullshit..
But anyway, what was your cpu score on that bench?
by: Wile E
That's a graphics bench, and you have a faster video card than me, so we can't compare 3DMark, unless it's only the cpu tests.
But anyway, what was your cpu score on that bench?
not as high as yours wile.... i cant remember the figures man.... all i know is mark 06 is more cpu bound than gpu.... im dl'ing vantage right now and will post my results when done.... i'll be @ 3.01 ghz cpu and gpu @ 835-955memory.... sound interesting? no bs man just the fact's...:respect:
by: Wile E
That's a graphics bench, and you have a faster video card than me, so we can't compare 3DMark, unless it's only the cpu tests.
But anyway, what was your cpu score on that bench?
do i need to install any patch's for Vantage Wile?
by: fullinfusion
do i need to install any patch's for Vantage Wile?
Vantage should be at 1.01. So either download the 1.01 version, or if you already have 1.0 started, grab the 1.01 hotfix/update to go with it.
by: Wile E
Vantage should be at 1.01. So either download the 1.01 version, or if you already have 1.0 started, grab the 1.01 hotfix/update to go with it.
na got the 1.01 and you want me to run 3.01 @1146 memory MHz or 892mhz? your call.... i just wana show ya what it's doing.... 1146 @ 5.5.6.15.24 or 892 @ 4.4.4.12.20.... it's up to you man.... whatever you wanna see ill bench just to give ya an idea...:respect:
by: fullinfusion
na got the 1.01 and you want me to run 3.01 @1146 memory MHz or 892mhz? your call.... i just wana show ya what it's doing.... 1146 @ 5.5.6.15.24 or 892 @ 4.4.4.12.20.... it's up to you man.... whatever you wanna see ill bench just to give ya an idea...:respect:
well im using 1146mhz on the mem @ a NB freq of 2365mhz with a HT link of 2150 and the memory will be unganged may be a tad slower in mark06 but not sure how she responds in Vantage..... let's see what happens...:rolleyes:
I can't unlink my mem, so I'll match as close as I can. If I have to err, I'll err lower than you in mem.
QX9650 @ 3GHz, mem at 1113 5-5-6-15
Vantage CPU score = 12174
Vantage CPU score = 12174