I STILL roll with two VCR's. I've also got a 5 disc CD changer made by pioneer in 1983. Two cabinets with two twelves in each and its loud as hell. I see no need to buy something new if it still works great. On exception to VCR cause my movies are fading...

TheGuruStudI get the x264s or straight copies that are 20 GBs. Whichever I feel :)

Well, considering many BDs are already encoded in H.264 to begin with, those smaller rips you see are still compressed to hell and back compared to the original content.

As for the 20GB downloads, yes, they are full quality, but they are in no way practical from the perspective of an HD download service, which is what was being referred to earlier. Not the pirated stuff. lol.

Wile EWell, considering many BDs are already encoded in H.264 to begin with, those smaller rips you see are still compressed to hell and back compared to the original content.

As for the 20GB downloads, yes, they are full quality, but they are in no way practical from the perspective of an HD download service, which is what was being referred to earlier. Not the pirated stuff. lol.

What is this legal download service you speak of? :roll:
I'm on my pirate ship 24/7. :)

And this Samsung guy is nuts. A storage medium is required and people aren't going to be buying new tech. again and new media again with the same old movies. It just isn't going to happen. Look how hard it is to switch to BR. Such a close transition is unlikely I think.

5 years, at least it'll live longer than HD DVD. BluRay has blown me away by the storage that is on the disk. With such acceptable storage, perhaps BluRay could embrace the next generation of HD, making the lifespan of this disk extended. Oh wait! Perhaps SATA drives should get a second chance by enhancing storage with BluRay disks. While we're waiting for that, who can't wait for 1360p? Anyone?

PCpraiser1005 years, at least it'll live longer than HD DVD. BluRay has blown me away by the storage that is on the disk. With such acceptable storage, perhaps BluRay could embrace the next generation of HD. 1360p anyone?

My guess is 1440p. lol.

We should go straight to 2560 or at least 2048 with the pace that tech advances.
Imagine porn on that! :):):)

PrudentPrincess2013, the age of the mini disc. :]

It's high time we get back to vinyl.

it seems like people, even those high up in the industry, just don't get it. we simply do not have the network infrastructure globally to handle digital HD content delivery. for instance the avg blu-ray plays video content about 30-50 Mbps. clearly we are more than 5 years away from achieving that kind of content delivery in the U.S. which is the market with the largest demand. now x264 rips of HD movies look very good, and are about 9 gigs and stream around 4-5 Mbps. this may be a possibility in a few years but not even that means that blu-ray will be done in 5 years. the blu-ray folks are hard at work at bringing 100 gig discs to market and increasing resolution above 1920x1080. as a format i do not see it going anywhere for quite some time. internet delivery could be a possibility but at what cost and at what loss of picture and audio quality. sure, the avg consumer doesnt look that closely at HD content to tell the difference between x264 rips and the real HD content. but that just is a lack of education. once people realize that the $3000 they just spent on a new big screen and surround system isnt being fully utilized they will demand the real thing. also, ISPs already limit bandwidth per month. we always hear about internet capacity reaching its peak and yet industry leaders think our network can handle it. unless large cable/isp companies like comcast are holding back bandwidth that customers do not know about and charging more. then we simply cannot handle the delivery. so perhaps their is a new physical format coming and samsung is pushing it? industry leaders are either stupid, or are trying to trick the consumer into spending money in a way that benefits their company.

Easy Rhino... industry leaders are either stupid, or are trying to trick the consumer into spending money in a way that benefits their company.

That's the whole point of most companies, is it not? Making people believe that they need the latest and greatest and use any means necessary to sell a product to them?

I hate to admit I bought an HD-DVD player after it was NIXED!!! Actually I did it consiously... came with 5 free HD-DVD and is a really good 1080p upconverting player for $119 - some movies you can't tell the difference with reg DVDs (some are even better, I swear). Have a 40" Sony 1080p LCD. One motivation was to watch Planet Earth series :)

The off-the shelf prices for Blew-Ray are prohibitive in my mind, not to mention finding rentals. Vanilla DVD will live on for a long while.

of course video downloads will be limited just now but there is tv streaming already in the UK with the bbc i player and ch4

in the future possibly a few years time it will be more viable as an option to download or stream movies from the internet

Wile EAnd digital downloads, while better than DVD, pale in comparison to BluRay as well. My Good Will Hunting on BD not only looks better than a download, but likely sounds better too.

I'm willing to bet there are many consumers out there that also prefer to have a physical copy of the movies they buy. I know I do. I trust an optical disc a hell of a lot more than I trust a hard drive to store my media on a permanent basis.

Wile EAnd the rips still aren't of the same quality. But they are still excellent.

You obviously arent getting your stuff from the right sources :P
If you download a show with dolby digital or DTS (AC3) audio, then its not altered in any way - you get 100% the sound quality of a regular movie.
Depending on where you get the file, you could get a 700MB, 4.3GB, 10GB or 25GB BR rip off the net - trust me, the 25GB is exactly the same as a legit disk only without the content protection.

Hell, i can hardly see a difference between the 25GB and the 4.3GB rips, however that may be because the max res i can use is 1680x1050

anticlutchThat's the whole point of most companies, is it not? Making people believe that they need the latest and greatest and use any means necessary to sell a product to them?

yea pretty much. which is why we have to take what 'industry leaders' say with a grain of salt.

MusselsYou obviously arent getting your stuff from the right sources :P
If you download a show with dolby digital or DTS (AC3) audio, then its not altered in any way - you get 100% the sound quality of a regular movie.
Depending on where you get the file, you could get a 700MB, 4.3GB, 10GB or 25GB BR rip off the net - trust me, the 25GB is exactly the same as a legit disk only without the content protection.

Hell, i can hardly see a difference between the 25GB and the 4.3GB rips, however that may be because the max res i can use is 1680x1050

are you just talking TV shows? cause yea im pretty sure TV is just dolby digital or DTS. but that is not true for movies which are using the far superior DolbyTRUEHD, DTS-MA and lossless PCM 7.1. all 3 formats are perfect and stream around 5-6 Mbps. so that is JUST the audio. and the difference in audio quality is easily recognized. especially with a good surround setup.

I think ill get myself a ps3 before chrissy it will compliment my 42" plasma nicely :D

Easy Rhinoare you just talking TV shows? cause yea im pretty sure TV is just dolby digital or DTS. but that is not true for movies which are using the far superior DolbyTRUEHD, DTS-MA and lossless PCM 7.1. all 3 formats are perfect and stream around 5-6 Mbps. so that is JUST the audio. and the difference in audio quality is easily recognized. especially with a good surround setup.

Usually they're always DTS. If you can tell anything above DTS apart, good luck and you must have a $5k setup.

If you d/l the largest sized ones and the original includes DTS-HD, it should be available.

MilkyWayblu ray says epic fail, to me there is no massive need for blu ray
we have downloads and dvds sometimes are big enuf

movies dont need blu ray size disks and blu ray dosnt add significant improvement over dvd to persuade me to buy a full new collection

i think that storage sector should or is starting to use high capacity memory and external hard drives


people believe they need it if they have a hd tv but they dont, also cheaper to et an upconvertor

5 years is short considering dvd was all the way back to 1996-97 then it got popular around 2000

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Keep using your LDTV.

Picture playing your favorite video game at 1280x800 on your 46" 1080p tv, pretty shitty looking. Then picture that game playing in native 1080p.

Games are growing progressively larger. Would you rather have 1 blu-ray or 8 DVDs?

zitheGames are growing progressively larger. Would you rather have 1 blu-ray or 8 DVDs?

I can just imagine the slogan now... "Buying Blu-ray is more friendly to the environment than buying DVDs!". Man that would bring in the tree huggers by the droves :laugh:

i honestly hate optical discs, but i would much rather have a physical copy of my media. On that, i think the next logical step for removable media is a memory card, rather than a flash drive. Cards are cheaper to make and smaller, as well, they don't stick out the front of whatever you are putting them in. The thing about optical discs is that they are very easy and cheap to make, vs a flash drive which has more components, but who knows...

TheGuruStudUsually they're always DTS. If you can tell anything above DTS apart, good luck and you must have a $5k setup.

If you d/l the largest sized ones and the original includes DTS-HD, it should be available.

well i can definately tell the difference between a standard DTS and DTS-MA just like i can tell the difference between dolby digital and dolby trueHD. of course i am watching these movies on a 7.1 system via HDMI.

MilkyWayno i just meant that i already have this collection i know blu ray can do dvds but its damn cheaper to get the dvd version and then some people will upgrade there collection

i know that it is better quality but to me its not worth the price of getting a player and the extra money on the disks

£25 upconvertor or a £100-£200 blu ray player? add in the expense of the new movies

there is an imax theatre at the Glasgow science centre Superman on that shit was nice :pimp:

Watch a movie stretched from 460i to 1080p and tell me that blu-ray doesn't show any improvement.

Easy Rhinoare you just talking TV shows? cause yea im pretty sure TV is just dolby digital or DTS. but that is not true for movies which are using the far superior DolbyTRUEHD, DTS-MA and lossless PCM 7.1. all 3 formats are perfect and stream around 5-6 Mbps. so that is JUST the audio. and the difference in audio quality is easily recognized. especially with a good surround setup.

all legit movies i own and have seen, use dolby or DTS (admittedly there are a few kinds of DTS)

My speakers only decode DTS at their best. I hate disks... you cant trust people with them. most loaners come back ruined, or they just decay over time. at least with HDD images you can keep a (legal) backup.

OzzmanFloyd120Watch a movie stretched from 460i to 1080p and tell me that blu-ray doesn't show any improvement.

lol if you're stretching or up-mixing, may god have mercy on your eyes.

MusselsYou obviously arent getting your stuff from the right sources :P
If you download a show with dolby digital or DTS (AC3) audio, then its not altered in any way - you get 100% the sound quality of a regular movie.
Depending on where you get the file, you could get a 700MB, 4.3GB, 10GB or 25GB BR rip off the net - trust me, the 25GB is exactly the same as a legit disk only without the content protection.

Hell, i can hardly see a difference between the 25GB and the 4.3GB rips, however that may be because the max res i can use is 1680x1050

I can easily see the difference between the 4-9GB rips and the real deal. A friend kept telling me about the spectacular quality of a certain groups rips, and how they got Transformers down to 4 or 5GB with no loss in quality. Yeah, well, he was dead wrong. The difference between it and my HD-DVD were visible in seconds. That's not to say the rip was bad. It was leagues better than the DVD, but it was nowhere near full quality.

And 25GB isn't always the full disc minus protection, that depends strictly on the movie, and how it was encoded. But even if the movie was compressed to get 25GB, that's when you probably wouldn't be able to notice a difference.

i expect that when i see 8x blue ray writer