most of these things can be optional downloads, how are you meant to download firefox without a browser to get it?

i dunno but a lot of crap you get free on linux dosnt take up that much resources

a lot of this should just be optional on the disk or an extra download

bangmalI am amazed by the amount of whining bitches on this board, the most amusing one is one whiney said "no body uses this and that" because he not uses it, what? what do you want you are to speak for others?:laugh:

Agreed, I think having these things installed with advanced options to uninstall what isn't wanted is the better way to do it. The AVERAGE user isn't like anyone on this forum anyway..

I WANT bundled bloatware

Because I might find a use for it one day, and then I don't have to going hunting down a program that is already there.

DaMultaI WANT bundled bloatware

Because I might find a use for it one day, and then I don't have to going hunting down a program that is already there.

LoL, as much as I don't believe that about you, that is the way the average user thinks. MS Bloatware = works out of box. Its the only way MS knows how to do it.

SteevoFor the people hating on IE, if the OS ships with no browser for the 90% of people, how do you expect them to get online to even get a new browser?

get the solaris uility DVD so you have everything you need for your brand new os?

Solaris17get the solaris uility DVD so you have everything you need for your brand new os?

LoL, for us thats fine. But thats more than the average user understands.

DarkrealmsLoL, for us thats fine. But thats more than the average user understands.

lol :toast:

maybe thats how i should market my disk next time i go to work (at geek squad) ill take a customers computer pop in my disk and install a bunch of shit and tag it as an optimization then when they take it home they'll see 3dmark and auquamark and diskdefrag programs and be like omg WTF? lol

DarkrealmsLoL, as much as I don't believe that about you, that is the way the average user thinks. MS Bloatware = works out of box. Its the only way MS knows how to do it.

Believe it

Now I go and do kill some of them off. But I do want it there.

Solaris17get the solaris uility DVD so you have everything you need for your brand new os?

Worst software ever!!!

As voted in another thread:roll:

DaMultaWorst software ever!!!

As voted in another thread:roll:

hahaha i remember that what a douche.

DaMultaBelieve it

Now I go and do kill some of them off. But I do want it there.

Ok, my bad.
All of us want things like IE removeable but I think we'd all like to see MS stream lined at least a little bit. I think the OEMs should still bundle Office/Entertainment packages for the average users. But those of us that custom build/custom order our rigs may not want those kind of bundles.

Solaris17 - sigIm Solaris17 I make things take a peek
My Rig 8500/8600GT Mod Guide Rebuild a Copperhead CPU-Z Heat Ware
NF4 Ultra SLI Mod Solaris Utility DVD 3.0 GPU-Z Soundcard Mod Guide
Vista Mark Modded SLI Drivers ITNode

I thought W1zzard made those?

DarkrealmsI thought W1zzard made those?

I think he means his Utility DVD.

CrAsHnBuRnXpI think he means his Utility DVD.

and my various mods you could also

"take a peek" at my OC's if you wish ;)

and w1zz doesnt make cpu-z

Solaris17hahaha i remember that what a douche.

Hitman

DaMultaHitman

thats right you just remember who your messin with

Solaris17and my various mods you could also

"take a peek" at my OC's if you wish ;)

and w1zz doesnt make cpu-z

CrAsHnBuRnXpI think he means his Utility DVD.

Sorry was just confused by the first line in your sig. I knew you made the utility DVD, but I really don't know what else you've made. So seeing the others I was confuseded. Doh!

DarkrealmsOk, my bad.
All of us want things like IE removeable but I think we'd all like to see MS stream lined at least a little bit. I think the OEMs should still bundle Office/Entertainment packages for the average users. But those of us that custom build/custom order our rigs may not want those kind of bundles.



I thought W1zzard made those?

I personally use open office and install it on all my customer machines unless I don't thing they can make the change.
The only thing they should do is make a wizard start program for all the stuff that windows does. If you want to do default that's fine, if you want to turn on this and that they should make it easier for the average joe.

DarkrealmsSorry was just confused by the first line in your sig. I knew you made the utility DVD, but I really don't know what else you've made. So seeing the others I was confuseded. Doh!

I make vista Mark XP Mark the utility DVD and when i feel like it i mod nvidia drivers and creative drivers...

DaMultaI personally use open office and install it on all my customer machines unless I don't thing they can make the change.
The only thing they should do is make a wizard start program for all the stuff that windows does. If you want to do default that's fine, if you want to turn on this and that they should make it easier for the average joe.

But thats the problem. I stream line the machines, and add programs and remove/disable (messenger come to mind?) programs that users don't need, that I come across but thats only a fraction of whats sold in my area. But how many users out there don't have people like us to help them. At best they have CC tech support, YIKES!

I've gotta say - I'm glad to see them rip outlook express from WIN - I've never used it, never intend to, and never will - but, clicking on an email address in your browser and it defaults to opening outlook is a PITGDA!!! And it's even more of a PITA to set WIN to default to whatever you wish. I'll be glad to see it go.


But, I'll continue my use of IE. I've been happy with it, never had anywhere close to the amounts of problems most complain about - I've been over that in other threads -

Just as I'll continue to use Media Player 11+ For what it is, it's better than most other media players out there. I'll admit it has it's quirks now and then - but it's one of the few programs I know that can rip .wma lossless or VBR correctly; which kicks the ever-loving bullpulp out of mp3s in both size and quality.




But, we can't go and blame all the suite removal on the EU - don't forget, there have been a few lawsuits here in the US against MS over the last 10 years over their "bundled" (read: integrated) software. I think MS is just fed up with the toddlers and their tempertantrums.

imperialreignI've gotta say - I'm glad to see them rip outlook express from WIN - I've never used it, never intend to, and never will - but, clicking on an email address in your browser and it defaults to opening outlook is a PITGDA!!! And it's even more of a PITA to set WIN to default to whatever you wish. I'll be glad to see it go.


But, I'll continue my use of IE. I've been happy with it, never had anywhere close to the amounts of problems most complain about - I've been over that in other threads -

Just as I'll continue to use Media Player 11+ For what it is, it's better than most other media players out there. I'll admit it has it's quirks now and then - but it's one of the few programs I know that can rip .wma lossless or VBR correctly; which kicks the ever-loving bullpulp out of mp3s in both size and quality.




But, we can't go and blame all the suite removal on the EU - don't forget, there have been a few lawsuits here in the US against MS over the last 10 years over their "bundled" (read: integrated) software. I think MS is just fed up with the toddlers and their tempertantrums.

LoL, thats a good way of putting it ; p

ughhh, so many posts tl;dr . . . well, about half of them before I gave up :rolleyes:

The answer is simple and has been stated a few times already: modularity.

At install, allow the user to choose what components to be installed and provide thorough descriptions of them (maybe even screenshots) and what they do to help some people decide if they need it or not.

For system builders (major ones like dell, etc.), they could have an integrated way to set it up so that everything is installed by default and when the user first runs, they get a simple wizard with three options:
- keep everything
- let me choose what to keep
- decide for me after I tell what kind of user I am (ie: answer a series of questions to determine what the user needs and doesn't need)

Not worded exactly like that of course, but I'm sure you all understand what I'm getting at.

I never really saw why people worry about the extras that come with Windows. How exactly are the bloatware? If you don't like them, then don't run them, bloat avoided. It really is that simple people. I think you can live without the few hundred MB of hard drive space they take up.

imperialreignJust as I'll continue to use Media Player 11+ For what it is, it's better than most other media players out there. I'll admit it has it's quirks now and then - but it's one of the few programs I know that can rip .wma lossless or VBR correctly; which kicks the ever-loving bullpulp out of mp3s in both size and quality.

WMA is fail because it's proprietary, just like AAC and ALAC. And I don't think anything really rips directly to any format other than WAV, it just rips and converts seamlessly. MP3-vbr-v0 is just fine and supported by basically everything. FLAC is the best lossless codec. EAC is one of, if not the best rippers out there because you can configure pretty much every single thing that you didn't even know made a difference in order to tailor to your specific drive so you get perfect rips every time. And Lame is the best MP3 encoder (i'm not sure exactly what WMP uses to encode MP3's, but it might actually be Lame). I'm too lazy to explain why I've made the claims I have, since there's plenty of support readily (and easily) available via google.:rolleyes:

newtekie1I think you can live without the few hundred MB of hard drive space they take up.

Not when you want to put together an extra machine for something out of spare parts, but you're only spare hdd you've got around is old as fuck. Don't say "buy a new one", because that defeats the entire purpose of building out of spare parts, which is to not spend money. Any drives I have that are of a sufficiently large capacity (~50gb+) to be worth using in my main system or gf's system for extra backup or storage or something, I do so with. That leaves only drives that I want to put next to nothing on, but still want the same OS as my main system for ease of use/compatibility.

But situations like that are a horribly small percentage of the market and anybody doing that is fully capable of nliteing windows or just using linux or something, so it's a pretty moot point but I felt like being a smartass and finding a reason for why that extra space might be important.

edit: sorry for double-post, I just thought the thread was moving fast enough and I was typing long enough that somebody else would've posted by the time I hit submit; otherwise I would've just edited into the previous post