Interesting. I want to know are the mainstream dual cores only or do they come in a Quad variety?

so is DMI same thing as QPI, but only supports dual channel ?


Why the hell do chinese get these things first ? They are sitting there with all this next gen hardware doing god knows what, while we only wonder over this hardware and go goo goo gah gah over just a picture of it.

wolf2009so is DMI same thing as QPI, but only supports dual channel ?

DMI is something already used in current intel based mainboards.

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wolf2009Why the hell do chinese get these things first ? They are sitting there with all this next gen hardware doing god knows what, while we only wonder over this hardware and go goo goo gah gah over just a picture of it.

Perhaps they have something to do with the manufacturing process,….hummmmm,…..

Just be glad they let us look at their pictures ;)

Cool..

What's with the top contact pads? Is that just b/c they're samples? Seems like I've heard something explaining, but can't remember..

BingeInteresting. I want to know are the mainstream dual cores only or do they come in a Quad variety?

Lynnfield is still quad-core, Havendale will be the dual-core nehalem. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Nehalem_(microarchitecture)

pricing these chips will be pretty interesting. esp. seeing how the i7 920 chip is around $300.

Unlike the Bloomefield that has 1366 pins, Lynnfield has only 1160 pins and lacks the QPI link that the Bloomefield uses for triple channel DDR3. Instead Lynnfield uses DMI which only supports dual channel DDR3.


I thought memory support was based on the mobo chipset specifications not the CPU? Am I missing something?

Dia01Unlike the Bloomefield that has 1366 pins, Lynnfield has only 1160 pins and lacks the QPI link that the Bloomefield uses for triple channel DDR3. Instead Lynnfield uses DMI which only supports dual channel DDR3.


I thought memory support was based on the mobo chipset specifications not the CPU? Am I missing something?

Nehalem uses an internal memory controller.

This is going to cause HORRIBLE confusion in the marketplace. With two different socket specifications in the retail segment i can foresee literally thousands of people buying the WRONG pinned CPU. And lots of RMAs. Silly Intel. Should have just stuck to ONE socket, and do the old "celeron" trick, ie, onboard memory controller simplified to single or dual channel.

Mainboard manufs are also going to have to create so many different lines of motherboards... it will really cramp the value-added style of the brands. There will be too much enery spent (their techicians) on just releasing all the different socket chipset slot combinations. FAIL

Will the Lynnfield allow overclocking, or did they remove the memory controller from it?

From the looks of it so far these new chips are going to be all but useless to most of us... Their HT 3.0 quad can't compete with our 4.0 clocked quads..

lemonadesodaThis is going to cause HORRIBLE confusion in the marketplace. With two different socket specifications in the retail segment i can foresee literally thousands of people buying the WRONG pinned CPU. And lots of RMAs. Silly Intel. Should have just stuck to ONE socket, and do the old "celeron" trick, ie, onboard memory controller simplified to single or dual channel.

Mainboard manufs are also going to have to create so many different lines of motherboards... it will really cramp the value-added style of the brands. There will be too much enery spent (their techicians) on just releasing all the different socket chipset slot combinations. FAIL

Has research degraded to such a point system builders can't even research whether or not their cpu will work on a particular mb? Well, maybe :laugh:. That's pretty sad though, and really if you can't look something like that up then you might as well buy a dell. I suppose it's slightly more confusing than one universal board for all, but it's not that bad. We still don't even know just how it's going to work either. I wish more details would be released so you and others would stop jumping at every chance to call new tech a fail, without really having a good basis for doing so. But hey, you may be right.......

niko084Will the Lynnfield allow overclocking, or did they remove the memory controller from it?

From the looks of it so far these new chips are going to be all but useless to most of us... Their HT 3.0 quad can't compete with our 4.0 clocked quads..

We still don't know anything about oc'ing yet. I doubt I would categorize them as "useless" though regardless of that ability. Disappointing maybe, but we'll see. It has a memory controller, just a smaller bus width and less bandwidth.

there have been results from i7 ie bloomfield to at least 4.0ghz and a 4.0 i7 is greater than a 4.6 QX9770, therefore these setups will own 775 easily. I'll prolly go lynnfield but bloomfield is not out of the question.

philbrown23there have been results from i7 ie bloomfield to at least 4.0ghz and a 4.0 i7 is greater than a 4.6 QX9770, therefore these setups will own 775 easily. I'll prolly go lynnfield but bloomfield is not out of the question.

Where are those? Linkies? I've been looking for some oc'ing and haven't seen anything yet.

So Core i7 is current Core2 QX and Lynnfield is Core2 Q ? These look every bit like next gen Core2 chips, where are as Nehalem doesn't look anything like it, top or bottom.

Is Havendale then similar to current E5x00 or E7x00 series? And is Core i7 going to have the E8x00 chips?

Have a hard time wrapping my brain to what segment these chips fall and are these the ones I'm probably going to own next (in the future).

OnBoardSo Core i7 is current Core2 QX and Lynnfield is Core2 Q ? These look every bit like next gen Core2 chips, where are as Nehalem doesn't look anything like it, top or bottom.

Is Havendale then similar to current E5x00 or E7x00 series? And is Core i7 going to have the E8x00 chips?

Have a hard time wrapping my brain to what segment these chips fall and are these the ones I'm probably going to own next (in the future).

Look at the wiki link I gave above, or google nehalem. You could say the lynnfield will be similar to the 7xxx series, havendale like the 5xxx series. Roughly at least. e8xxx chips are core2, and have nothing to do w/ i7. All mainstream's are quads in this gen, w/ only the low end being dual. Perhaps that's throwing you off.

farlex85All mainstream's are quads in this gen, w/ only the low end being dual. Perhaps that's throwing you off.

Ah, missed the 'Cores' line in the Wiki diagram :) These being max of 95W TDP sounds good for the OC part. "and an embedded controller PCI Express will enable to share the PCI Experss x16 power for two PCI Express x8." <- that doesn't sound so good however for GPU stability :)

edit: wonder if S775 coolers will work with Lynnfields, them being same physical size. That would be a nice sales boost for them.

OnBoardAh, missed the 'Cores' line in the Wiki diagram :) These being max of 95W TDP sounds good for the OC part. "and an embedded controller PCI Express will enable to share the PCI Experss x16 power for two PCI Express x8." <- that doesn't sound so good however for GPU stability :)

edit: wonder if S775 coolers will work with Lynnfields, them being same physical size. That would be a nice sales boost for them.

The socket size for i7 is actually bigger, and thus will require new coolers unfortunately. :(

ok, so this requires 2 totally different motherboards basically? one for poor people, with no option to upgrade to a faster cpu, and then the other.....? sounds kinda lame.... but then i've been an amd guy ever since the k6 cpu.... so i guess i'm kinda lame too...

Basardok, so this requires 2 totally different motherboards basically? one for poor people, with no option to upgrade to a faster cpu, and then the other.....? sounds kinda lame.... but then i've been an amd guy ever since the k6 cpu.... so i guess i'm kinda lame too...

:roll:

awesome.

Basardok, so this requires 2 totally different motherboards basically? one for poor people, with no option to upgrade to a faster cpu, and then the other.....? sounds kinda lame.... but then i've been an amd guy ever since the k6 cpu.... so i guess i'm kinda lame too...

:laugh: lol

so here is come , we need see some tests next time

wolf2009Why the hell do chinese get these things first ? They are sitting there with all this next gen hardware doing god knows what, while we only wonder over this hardware and go goo goo gah gah over just a picture of it.

Not quite correct since the bill is Taiwanese, 1000NT$ (New Taiwan $). And in Taiwan the hi-tech is everywhere (been there, saw by myself).

? what ?

Basardok, so this requires 2 totally different motherboards basically? one for poor people, with no option to upgrade to a faster cpu, and then the other.....? sounds kinda lame.... but then i've been an amd guy ever since the k6 cpu.... so i guess i'm kinda lame too...

Intel has had 1 mainstream socket for a long time! Socket 478 for the pentium 4 single cores and then that was fairly quickly replaced by LGA 775 as opposed to both sockets being maintained for long periods of time.

AMD has so many sockets on the go at any one time if anyone was to get confused by a socket type surely it would be thru AMD. Granted their AM2 have been a standard for quite some time and are BIOS flashable to use AM2+ chips most of the time. In the recent past tho AMD was maintaining socket A, socket 939 and 940...and if you want you could throw in socket L1 but the FX series wasnt that popular if i recall. These were all while socket 478 was the standard for intel and towards the start of 775!

Not bashing AMD and being an intel boi, just pointing out the socket detail

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