| Sunday, October 26 2008 |
NVIDIA has issued a slide-show, a consolidated presentation taking into account, the findings of some review sources. In short, NVIDIA claims that the GeForce 9800 GT is not only faster than Radeon HD 4830, but also that its value-added features such as the CUDA HPC foundation and PhysX acceleration amount to a superior product all in all. Donanim Haber got their hands on this slide-show before anyone could, so here goes: GeForce 9800 GT vs. Radeon HD 4830 - a presentation by NVIDIA.
The "AMD Radeon HD 4830" they highlighted in those TechPowerUp charts is the sample that was found to have 560 stream processors instead of the 640 SPs according to AMD's specifications. Use the green bar (PowerColor HD 4830) for reference if need be.
Source: Donanim Haber
The "AMD Radeon HD 4830" they highlighted in those TechPowerUp charts is the sample that was found to have 560 stream processors instead of the 640 SPs according to AMD's specifications. Use the green bar (PowerColor HD 4830) for reference if need be.
Source: Donanim Haber
User comments
doesnt make them look evil but it makes them look dumb
silly, just silly
i say fair call, sure ATi have released a new product, but they have a point, its worse than a 9800GT
you cringe all you want about their (awful) business practices of late, but their point is made.
you cringe all you want about their (awful) business practices of late, but their point is made.
by: wolfExactly according to those benchmarks the 9800GT does beat the 4 series. So that doesn't make them wrong, However if they had shown the benchmarks that the 4 series won then that would defeat the point in them promoting thier own products.
i say fair call, sure ATi have released a new product, but they have a point, its worse than a 9800GT
you cringe all you want about their (awful) business practices of late, but their point is made.
by: DrPepperdont get me wrong i agree its a really odd and crazy way of advertising that really doesnt leave them in a good light.
Exactly according to those benchmarks the 9800GT does beat the 4 series. So that doesn't make them wrong, However if they had shown the benchmarks that the 4 series won then that would defeat the point in them promoting thier own products.
however i agree that given the figures and reviews, a 9800GT is slightly faster.
just like nvidia to point it out in a way thats "anything you can do i can do better, oh look ive already done it"
now its "oh crap, 4870's ..................... they're everywhere, game over man, game over" :)
they need to get the GTX350 on the way so bad, and lower prices on GTX2XX
by: wolfHmm I can't say that I disagree with their marketing techniques but I bet my balls if the gtx 280 was faster than the 4870X2 they wouldn't let anyone forget it.
dont get me wrong i agree its a really odd and crazy way of advertising that really doesnt leave them in a good light.
however i agree that given the figures and reviews, a 9800GT is slightly faster.
just like nvidia to point it out in a way thats "anything you can do i can do better, oh look ive already done it"
now its "oh crap, 4870's ..................... they're everywhere, game over man, game over" :)
they need to get the GTX350 on the way so bad, and lower prices on GTX2XX
by: W1zzardwell, if you say its ok, no problems.
bwahahahah, nvidia epic fail. they marked the benchmarks that are from the 560 sp card.
other than that, anyone is free to quote our data as long as sources are given and the data is not modified.
Personally, i'd complain as only you have the power to do so.
1. They used the results for the lower SP card. False advertising.
2. they compare to the 8800GT, not the 9800GT! gah!
To be honest... this is very disturbing to me. Its something you *could* take legal action over, due to the inherent lies and trickery.
by: MusselsIt wouldn't be false advertising unless they said it was the higher sp card. As for taking legal action doesn't tpu's news team take benchmarks from other websites ?
well, if you say its ok, no problems.
Personally, i'd complain as only you have the power to do so.
1. They used the results for the lower SP card. False advertising.
2. they compare to the 8800GT, not the 9800GT! gah!
To be honest... this is very disturbing to me. Its something you *could* take legal action over, due to the inherent lies and trickery.
ive started this argument before, but i still think ATi cant get ahead in single gpu territory, some say multi gpu is the future, i disagree, one powerfull gpu all the way.
so in certain arguments, the 4870X2 shouldnt even be compared against a GTX280, the only reason they are is because of pricing, and shoehorning two gpu's onto one, big, hot, card.
not that a GTX280 isnt all of those....
in short im just bitching, im not a fan of either top dog at the moment.
you know what a 9800GT IS right?
so in certain arguments, the 4870X2 shouldnt even be compared against a GTX280, the only reason they are is because of pricing, and shoehorning two gpu's onto one, big, hot, card.
not that a GTX280 isnt all of those....
in short im just bitching, im not a fan of either top dog at the moment.
by: Mussels
they compare to the 8800GT, not the 9800GT! gah!
you know what a 9800GT IS right?
I have Nothing against nVidia, in fact, I would use an nVidia over ATi any day.
You guys need to realize that this is marketing/business. Yeah, there might be BS and whatever, but seriously, businesses do this. Are they going to be honest and say "Oh, our video card only gets x FPS more, but the competition would be the better buy"
You guys need to realize that this is marketing/business. Yeah, there might be BS and whatever, but seriously, businesses do this. Are they going to be honest and say "Oh, our video card only gets x FPS more, but the competition would be the better buy"
by: wolfI don't care how many gpu's are on a card just the number of pci-e slots taken up, thats how I'd count it anyway.
ive started this argument before, but i still think ATi cant get ahead in single gpu territory, some say multi gpu is the future, i disagree, one powerfull gpu all the way.
so in certain arguments, the 4870X2 shouldnt even be compared against a GTX280, the only reason they are is because of pricing, and shoehorning two gpu's onto one, big, hot, card.
not that a GTX280 isnt all of those....
in short im just bitching, im not a fan of either top dog at the moment.
by: DrPepper
I don't care how many gpu's are on a card just the number of pci-e slots taken up, thats how I'd count it anyway.
ive had a few multi gpu setups, and its not for everyone, well not for me at least. far, far too many issues, and mainly just quirks.
not to mention neither company will ever get perfect scaling down, the only hope they have is Lucid's load balancer.
by: wolfYou know it makes sense to make a single gpu better than add a second one.
ive had a few multi gpu setups, and its not for everyone, well not for me at least. far, far too many issues, and mainly just quirks.
not to mention neither company will ever get perfect scaling down, the only hope they have is Lucid's load balancer.
by: SimFreak47
I have Nothing against nVidia, in fact, I would use an nVidia over ATi any day.
You guys need to realize that this is marketing/business. Yeah, there might be BS and whatever, but seriously, businesses do this. Are they going to be honest and say "Oh, our video card only gets x FPS more, but the competition would be the better buy"
by: tkpenaltyThanks for the lulz:nutkick:
W1zz needs to stop Nvidia from publishing this propaganda, with legal action.
by: DrPepperabsolutly, i mean i usually just go for whatever card is best value for performance at the time.
You know it makes sense to make a single gpu better than add a second one.
like now i have a 4870, even though i sort of consider myself a nvidia fanboy, but the 4870 is an awesome card (although oddly enough, given the chance i wouldnt buy one again) i did have 2x4870 in CF but sold the second due to issues, and not seeing the gains i wanted.
max FPS was almost double in every game, but almost every game had unchanged min fps, and seriously what good is a 200-400 fps spike when it still dips below 60?
meh, just me bitching again :)
but like i said, even nvidia multi gpu setups have presented the same quirks.
by: wolfhave you seen this
absolutly, i mean i usually just go for whatever card is best value for performance at the time.
like now i have a 4870, even though i sort of consider myself a nvidia fanboy, but the 4870 is an awesome card (although oddly enough, given the chance i wouldnt buy one again) i did have 2x4870 in CF but sold the second due to issues, and not seeing the gains i wanted.
max FPS was almost double in every game, but almost every game had unchanged min fps, and seriously what good is a 200-400 fps spike when it still dips below 60?
meh, just me bitching again :)
but like i said, even nvidia multi gpu setups have presented the same quirks.
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=74477
by: DOMhave now :) thanks DOM very nice info
have you seen this
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=74477
by: wolfNP that why Nvidia messed up card is not running at full speed also w1z noted that in the 1st page in the review
have now :) thanks DOM very nice info
PLEASE NOTE: There is an issue with the HD 4830 sample from AMD. It has only 560 shaders instead of the intended 640. That's why the scores of the AMD card are so different. The card tested in this review has the correct shader count of 640 and is representative of the HD 4830 performance. Read more about this here.
well that pretty much brings it on par with the 9800GT then yeah? neck and neck thats what we all like to see :toast:
well i would like to see a review with the fixed bios to see what it really gots idc which is faster just for it to be fair
i want to test both myself, that would be fair, and cool ;)
by: DOMlook at the powercolor 4830 numbers. the performance of the 640 sp amd hd 4830 is equal to that
well i would like to see a review with the fixed bios to see what it really gots idc which is faster just for it to be fair
by: Mussels
2. they compare to the 8800GT, not the 9800GT! gah!
9800 GT is 100% identical to 8800 GT (exception being the stickers on the card)
I've lost all respect for Nvidia, this is what happens when we support the company with the big money. Next time I'm going to be buying ATI if this is how Nvidia market their products with bias results.
According to Hexus.net the 4830 is indeed faster than the 9800 GT - bearing in mind the 4830 is a new card and drivers have not yet matured yet the 4830 beats the 9800 GT!
I've included in the attachments a few screenshots of Hexus.net's benchmarks of the 4830 vs the 9800 GT. I would appreciate it everyone takes the time to look at all the images and respond back accordingly :)
Also a quote from Hexus.net
NVIDIA's GeForce 9800 GT still remains a viable competitor due to its keen pricing and extended software infrastructure that includes CUDA and PhysX, but the better pure gaming card is, on balance, the Radeon HD 4830.
Edit:
Incase the images are too small, the red bar is the 4830 and the purple bar is the 9800 GT
According to Hexus.net the 4830 is indeed faster than the 9800 GT - bearing in mind the 4830 is a new card and drivers have not yet matured yet the 4830 beats the 9800 GT!
I've included in the attachments a few screenshots of Hexus.net's benchmarks of the 4830 vs the 9800 GT. I would appreciate it everyone takes the time to look at all the images and respond back accordingly :)
Also a quote from Hexus.net
NVIDIA's GeForce 9800 GT still remains a viable competitor due to its keen pricing and extended software infrastructure that includes CUDA and PhysX, but the better pure gaming card is, on balance, the Radeon HD 4830.
Edit:
Incase the images are too small, the red bar is the 4830 and the purple bar is the 9800 GT
by: W1zzard:confused: the powercolor is at full 640 sp ?
look at the powercolor 4830 numbers. the performance of the 640 sp amd hd 4830 is equal to that
by: W1zzardand lets not forget the die shrink :p
look at the powercolor 4830 numbers. the performance of the 640 sp amd hd 4830 is equal to that
9800 GT is 100% identical to 8800 GT (exception being the stickers on the card)